WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.437 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:00:03.437 --> 00:00:10.820 align:middle line:90% 00:00:10.820 --> 00:00:11.360 align:middle line:90% Welcome. 00:00:11.360 --> 00:00:13.400 align:middle line:84% Thank you for joining us for today's program 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:15.650 align:middle line:84% featuring artist Amy Sarkisian presented 00:00:15.650 --> 00:00:18.320 align:middle line:84% as part of the Wignall Museum's Home Edition. 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:21.480 align:middle line:84% Home Edition is a series of curated artists talks, 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.630 align:middle line:84% workshops, and discussions featuring 00:00:23.630 --> 00:00:25.362 align:middle line:90% artists and cultural workers. 00:00:25.362 --> 00:00:26.945 align:middle line:84% My name is Rebecca Trawick and I serve 00:00:26.945 --> 00:00:29.840 align:middle line:84% as the director and curator of the Wignall Museum. 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:32.960 align:middle line:84% The 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align:middle line:90% My name is Andy Hadle. 00:01:59.030 --> 00:02:00.830 align:middle line:84% I'm the preparator at the museum. 00:02:00.830 --> 00:02:03.770 align:middle line:84% In a moment Amy Sarkisian will present. 00:02:03.770 --> 00:02:05.990 align:middle line:84% Any time remaining after the presentation 00:02:05.990 --> 00:02:08.090 align:middle line:90% will be available for Q&A. 00:02:08.090 --> 00:02:10.160 align:middle line:90% Thanks Roman and Andy. 00:02:10.160 --> 00:02:12.560 align:middle line:84% So today I am pleased to introduce our guest artist, Amy 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:13.700 align:middle line:90% Sarkisian. 00:02:13.700 --> 00:02:17.060 align:middle line:84% Amy Sarkisian grew up in a working class Cleveland suburb 00:02:17.060 --> 00:02:19.640 align:middle line:84% where she absorbed art through comics, Saturday morning 00:02:19.640 --> 00:02:22.040 align:middle line:90% cartoons, and Mad Magazine. 00:02:22.040 --> 00:02:25.550 align:middle line:84% She received a BFA from Kent University followed by an MFA 00:02:25.550 --> 00:02:28.010 align:middle line:90% from UCLA in the late '90s. 00:02:28.010 --> 00:02:30.560 align:middle line:84% After graduate school, she ran the project space 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:35.060 align:middle line:84% Studio 870 for emerging and underrepresented artists. 00:02:35.060 --> 00:02:38.570 align:middle line:84% Sarkisian collaborated with author Janet Sarbanes 00:02:38.570 --> 00:02:40.370 align:middle line:84% on a children's book titled People 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:44.090 align:middle line:84% of the Pancake published in 2015. 00:02:44.090 --> 00:02:47.240 align:middle line:84% Sarkisian and her life partner, Tyler Vlahovich, 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:49.340 align:middle line:84% currently run an outdoor project space 00:02:49.340 --> 00:02:52.800 align:middle line:84% in Northeast Los Angeles called The Yard. 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.510 align:middle line:84% Amy has exhibited internationally 00:02:54.510 --> 00:02:57.210 align:middle line:84% at galleries in Paris, Milan, and London. 00:02:57.210 --> 00:02:59.220 align:middle line:84% She's been included in various group shows 00:02:59.220 --> 00:03:01.890 align:middle line:84% in London, New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles, 00:03:01.890 --> 00:03:05.190 align:middle line:84% and museum shows that include the Art, Design, & Architecture 00:03:05.190 --> 00:03:08.370 align:middle line:84% Museum at UC Santa Barbara, Torrance Art 00:03:08.370 --> 00:03:11.360 align:middle line:84% Museum, The Chicago Cultural Center, and the Mak 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.440 align:middle line:90% Center in Los Angeles. 00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:15.570 align:middle line:84% At the Wig, we're proud to call Amy a colleague. 00:03:15.570 --> 00:03:18.000 align:middle line:84% She currently teaches at 性视界 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.590 align:middle line:84% and in 2014, Amy participated in the group exhibition 00:03:22.590 --> 00:03:27.180 align:middle line:84% Unruly, curated by our assistant curator, Roman Stollenwerk. 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:29.310 align:middle line:84% Amy currently lives and works in Los Angeles. 00:03:29.310 --> 00:03:33.450 align:middle line:84% So please join me in giving Amy a warm, virtual welcome. 00:03:33.450 --> 00:03:38.490 align:middle line:84% So these are selected works from just about 00:03:38.490 --> 00:03:42.610 align:middle line:84% after I got out of grad school till present. 00:03:42.610 --> 00:03:45.000 align:middle line:84% So this doesn't include everything. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:48.090 align:middle line:84% Often if I'm working on something larger, 00:03:48.090 --> 00:03:52.440 align:middle line:84% I'll be trying to do quicker things like collage or drawings 00:03:52.440 --> 00:03:55.030 align:middle line:84% in between just to kind of keep my sanity. 00:03:55.030 --> 00:04:00.980 align:middle line:84% So once I went through and kind of organized this lecture, 00:04:00.980 --> 00:04:03.380 align:middle line:84% I realized I was going to have to leave a lot out. 00:04:03.380 --> 00:04:05.630 align:middle line:84% This is the first solo exhibition 00:04:05.630 --> 00:04:08.180 align:middle line:84% I did after I got out of graduate school 00:04:08.180 --> 00:04:10.580 align:middle line:84% and it's just called The Perfect Ham. 00:04:10.580 --> 00:04:15.590 align:middle line:84% And I like the pun about of presenting yourself 00:04:15.590 --> 00:04:19.940 align:middle line:84% or your work being kind of hammy, 00:04:19.940 --> 00:04:23.930 align:middle line:84% but also this was about me trying 00:04:23.930 --> 00:04:29.150 align:middle line:84% to perfect the process of something 00:04:29.150 --> 00:04:33.440 align:middle line:84% and I just decided to perfect ham baking. 00:04:33.440 --> 00:04:37.040 align:middle line:84% So I practiced for several months 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.800 align:middle line:84% before the show opened, buy a ham, 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:42.020 align:middle line:90% bake it, try to make it perfect. 00:04:42.020 --> 00:04:46.190 align:middle line:84% And this is probably maybe the seventh ham that I did 00:04:46.190 --> 00:04:49.940 align:middle line:84% and I decided, OK, I'm pretty good at this. 00:04:49.940 --> 00:04:55.220 align:middle line:84% So the evening of the exhibition opening, a few hours 00:04:55.220 --> 00:04:58.730 align:middle line:84% before that I baked the ham, dressed it, 00:04:58.730 --> 00:05:03.920 align:middle line:84% tried to set it up in the way that you see perfect holiday 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:07.490 align:middle line:84% food presented, and then I presented it 00:05:07.490 --> 00:05:09.990 align:middle line:90% in the gallery space. 00:05:09.990 --> 00:05:12.570 align:middle line:84% Put some heat lamps on it and then 00:05:12.570 --> 00:05:16.020 align:middle line:84% when it started to become less and less perfect, 00:05:16.020 --> 00:05:17.010 align:middle line:90% the show was over. 00:05:17.010 --> 00:05:22.740 align:middle line:84% So it was just a couple of hours of just experiencing the ham, 00:05:22.740 --> 00:05:25.650 align:middle line:84% being in the room with it and you know, you could smell it. 00:05:25.650 --> 00:05:27.180 align:middle line:90% The room smelled like ham. 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:32.310 align:middle line:84% No one ate it, it was just about witnessing this thing. 00:05:32.310 --> 00:05:35.070 align:middle line:90% 00:05:35.070 --> 00:05:40.180 align:middle line:84% And then at the time I was living in my studio 00:05:40.180 --> 00:05:41.850 align:middle line:90% and I was unemployed. 00:05:41.850 --> 00:05:47.290 align:middle line:84% I just got out of school, so my materials at the time 00:05:47.290 --> 00:05:50.770 align:middle line:84% were the things that I would just kind of find, 00:05:50.770 --> 00:05:56.890 align:middle line:84% and I was living in a studio in Virgil Village in Los Angeles. 00:05:56.890 --> 00:06:01.480 align:middle line:84% And right next door I shared a wall with a small market, 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.270 align:middle line:84% so I got a lot of stuff from them that they were discarding. 00:06:04.270 --> 00:06:08.590 align:middle line:84% And I found this cool cigarette sign laying on the ground, 00:06:08.590 --> 00:06:10.960 align:middle line:90% so I pulled it in. 00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:15.340 align:middle line:84% The other free thing that I used quite a bit back 00:06:15.340 --> 00:06:21.850 align:middle line:84% then is before the internet was really ubiquitous, 00:06:21.850 --> 00:06:27.520 align:middle line:84% I would still get mail and I would still get these catalogs. 00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:32.710 align:middle line:84% So I would get catalogs from Halloween stores, J.Crew, 00:06:32.710 --> 00:06:35.950 align:middle line:84% whatever catalog you could get I was somehow getting 00:06:35.950 --> 00:06:38.080 align:middle line:84% all this junk mail, which was great 00:06:38.080 --> 00:06:41.610 align:middle line:84% because I had a lot of fodder to do collage with. 00:06:41.610 --> 00:06:45.500 align:middle line:84% So these are just-- it's called Kool Sign with Monsters. 00:06:45.500 --> 00:06:48.280 align:middle line:84% It's just a bunch of little masks 00:06:48.280 --> 00:06:51.490 align:middle line:90% on the bottom of this sign. 00:06:51.490 --> 00:06:56.170 align:middle line:90% And this piece was done-- 00:06:56.170 --> 00:07:01.570 align:middle line:84% a friend of mine who I went to Kent State with, sort of-- he 00:07:01.570 --> 00:07:04.880 align:middle line:84% lived in Kent and he was also an artist. 00:07:04.880 --> 00:07:07.210 align:middle line:84% He went to New York when I went to LA. 00:07:07.210 --> 00:07:10.330 align:middle line:84% So he came to visit and when we got together we would always 00:07:10.330 --> 00:07:14.680 align:middle line:84% play music and he wanted to cover a Fear song 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:16.132 align:middle line:84% called I Love Living in the City, 00:07:16.132 --> 00:07:17.840 align:middle line:84% but I wasn't that familiar with the song. 00:07:17.840 --> 00:07:19.510 align:middle line:84% So he wrote down the lyrics for me 00:07:19.510 --> 00:07:21.760 align:middle line:84% to sing it while he played guitar 00:07:21.760 --> 00:07:25.705 align:middle line:84% and I found the lyric sheet a couple of weeks later, 00:07:25.705 --> 00:07:27.580 align:middle line:84% just kind of in the corner covered with dirt. 00:07:27.580 --> 00:07:30.850 align:middle line:84% And I was like, now this is really like a good lyric sheet, 00:07:30.850 --> 00:07:32.260 align:middle line:90% and I liked his handwriting. 00:07:32.260 --> 00:07:36.250 align:middle line:84% And it was like a nice memory, so I made a collage 00:07:36.250 --> 00:07:38.760 align:middle line:84% with the lyric sheet and it's just kind of 00:07:38.760 --> 00:07:43.120 align:middle line:84% flanked in a nice kind of sunny smiles 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.800 align:middle line:90% from all these J.Crew models. 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:50.470 align:middle line:84% So that's called I Love Living in the City. 00:07:50.470 --> 00:07:58.800 align:middle line:84% And then when I was in grad school I had this notion that-- 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:02.700 align:middle line:84% you could see my pointer, this little skull right 00:08:02.700 --> 00:08:08.740 align:middle line:84% here is one of those Halloween treat skulls 00:08:08.740 --> 00:08:10.342 align:middle line:90% that are like vacuformed. 00:08:10.342 --> 00:08:11.800 align:middle line:84% Sometimes they're jack o' lanterns, 00:08:11.800 --> 00:08:15.490 align:middle line:84% sometimes these cartoony skull heads that kids carry around, 00:08:15.490 --> 00:08:18.370 align:middle line:90% they put candy in. 00:08:18.370 --> 00:08:20.650 align:middle line:84% And I thought, well, that skull is-- 00:08:20.650 --> 00:08:23.620 align:middle line:84% if you think about it, it's really pretty disgusting 00:08:23.620 --> 00:08:27.460 align:middle line:84% that these kids are carrying around a decapitated head 00:08:27.460 --> 00:08:29.620 align:middle line:84% and putting candy in it even though we 00:08:29.620 --> 00:08:33.039 align:middle line:84% don't think of it that way because it's been codified. 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.240 align:middle line:84% So I thought, well, what if that was reconstructed. 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.429 align:middle line:84% Whose head would they really be carrying around? 00:08:39.429 --> 00:08:46.540 align:middle line:84% So I decided to use this forensic anthropological 00:08:46.540 --> 00:08:51.220 align:middle line:84% technique where you build up muscles on a skull, 00:08:51.220 --> 00:08:55.330 align:middle line:84% you add the eyeballs, and then you can kind of figure out what 00:08:55.330 --> 00:08:57.620 align:middle line:90% that person used to look like. 00:08:57.620 --> 00:08:59.620 align:middle line:84% So I did that with this cartoony skull 00:08:59.620 --> 00:09:03.220 align:middle line:84% and then I started collecting these Halloween and cartoonier 00:09:03.220 --> 00:09:05.560 align:middle line:84% skulls, some are more realistic, and I just 00:09:05.560 --> 00:09:08.980 align:middle line:84% wanted to see who all of these people would be. 00:09:08.980 --> 00:09:14.200 align:middle line:84% So I reconstructed these five skulls and the people on top 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:18.520 align:middle line:84% were the images that I had cast from them. 00:09:18.520 --> 00:09:22.000 align:middle line:84% And then I was looking at a lot of glam rock photography 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.140 align:middle line:84% by Mick Rock, who did a lot of photography of Bowie and queen 00:09:26.140 --> 00:09:33.280 align:middle line:84% and I started thinking of these five people as maybe a band. 00:09:33.280 --> 00:09:35.800 align:middle line:84% So I would dress them up in different clothes 00:09:35.800 --> 00:09:39.730 align:middle line:84% and take photographs and this was the final presentation 00:09:39.730 --> 00:09:44.440 align:middle line:84% of this band, and they're kind of heavy metal. 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.950 align:middle line:84% This is kind of based on the White Queen, Black Queen 00:09:47.950 --> 00:09:52.120 align:middle line:84% album that Mick Rock took the photos for. 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.120 align:middle line:84% But this is just toy skull reconstructions, 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.980 align:middle line:90% the dark version. 00:09:56.980 --> 00:10:01.930 align:middle line:84% I had a lot of fun just coming up with each character. 00:10:01.930 --> 00:10:04.900 align:middle line:84% And then because I was thinking a lot about skulls 00:10:04.900 --> 00:10:08.910 align:middle line:84% and symbolically what they mean in our culture 00:10:08.910 --> 00:10:14.310 align:middle line:84% and then how the skull in other cultures and how other cultures 00:10:14.310 --> 00:10:19.260 align:middle line:90% deal with mortality and loss. 00:10:19.260 --> 00:10:24.390 align:middle line:84% I started reading about ossuaries and other cultures 00:10:24.390 --> 00:10:29.580 align:middle line:84% that will use the bones of their beloved 00:10:29.580 --> 00:10:33.360 align:middle line:84% and decorate them to kind of celebrate their life. 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.640 align:middle line:84% And in our culture we use the skull 00:10:35.640 --> 00:10:38.910 align:middle line:84% as just, it's on bottles of poison, 00:10:38.910 --> 00:10:44.280 align:middle line:84% it's a symbol of death and no rebirth, 00:10:44.280 --> 00:10:48.300 align:middle line:90% and it's this feared symbol. 00:10:48.300 --> 00:10:53.400 align:middle line:84% So I decided to take a cue from all of these other cultures 00:10:53.400 --> 00:10:58.020 align:middle line:84% and decorate these skulls and try 00:10:58.020 --> 00:11:03.540 align:middle line:84% to make this symbol into something beautiful, 00:11:03.540 --> 00:11:07.110 align:middle line:84% trying to kind of neutralize the darker 00:11:07.110 --> 00:11:10.650 align:middle line:84% aspect of this symbol with something 00:11:10.650 --> 00:11:12.240 align:middle line:90% that's more seductive. 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.450 align:middle line:84% And then I realized I do that quite a bit in my work, 00:11:15.450 --> 00:11:18.600 align:middle line:84% or I used to at least, try to find 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.330 align:middle line:90% this neutralizing middle ground. 00:11:21.330 --> 00:11:24.390 align:middle line:84% I'd take something that's somewhat grotesque 00:11:24.390 --> 00:11:27.360 align:middle line:84% and add something silly or something dark 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.220 align:middle line:84% and add something beautiful just to play 00:11:31.220 --> 00:11:34.190 align:middle line:84% with that juxtaposition, what that does. 00:11:34.190 --> 00:11:36.150 align:middle line:84% So I did a series of these skulls, 00:11:36.150 --> 00:11:38.990 align:middle line:90% so this is the first one I did. 00:11:38.990 --> 00:11:43.070 align:middle line:84% This is with some wood beads, and these are all 00:11:43.070 --> 00:11:44.330 align:middle line:90% just skull-sized. 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:49.610 align:middle line:90% 00:11:49.610 --> 00:11:53.090 align:middle line:84% And then my grandmother passed away 00:11:53.090 --> 00:11:56.240 align:middle line:84% and my mom gave me all of her costume jewelry, 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.400 align:middle line:84% so I started adding her costume jewelry into the skulls 00:11:59.400 --> 00:12:00.150 align:middle line:90% that I would make. 00:12:00.150 --> 00:12:07.790 align:middle line:84% So I would make a basic pattern and then fill in the rest of it 00:12:07.790 --> 00:12:10.370 align:middle line:84% with another kind of pattern with beads 00:12:10.370 --> 00:12:13.580 align:middle line:84% that I would get from the bead district downtown 00:12:13.580 --> 00:12:15.620 align:middle line:90% or wherever I could find them. 00:12:15.620 --> 00:12:20.680 align:middle line:84% And then they became even more personal to me, 00:12:20.680 --> 00:12:26.460 align:middle line:84% because these were something that came from my grandmother. 00:12:26.460 --> 00:12:28.680 align:middle line:84% So a lot of these have her jewelry 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:32.190 align:middle line:90% in them, the later ones. 00:12:32.190 --> 00:12:34.980 align:middle line:84% This is her brooch right here and it just kind of built off 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:36.390 align:middle line:90% of everything else. 00:12:36.390 --> 00:12:39.560 align:middle line:90% 00:12:39.560 --> 00:12:44.240 align:middle line:84% And then I was looking a lot at this artist named James Ensor 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:49.100 align:middle line:84% and I thought, well, he has just such a funny way 00:12:49.100 --> 00:12:53.690 align:middle line:84% of dealing with dark subject matter, mortality. 00:12:53.690 --> 00:12:58.010 align:middle line:84% He'll kind of make something grotesque silly 00:12:58.010 --> 00:13:00.380 align:middle line:84% at the same time and this etching 00:13:00.380 --> 00:13:04.580 align:middle line:84% that he did is my portrait in 1960, which I thought 00:13:04.580 --> 00:13:09.530 align:middle line:84% was really kind of brave of him to even just go there mentally 00:13:09.530 --> 00:13:12.230 align:middle line:84% and figure out like, where am I going to be in 1960? 00:13:12.230 --> 00:13:15.590 align:middle line:84% Well, he was born 1860 so most likely I'll be dead, 00:13:15.590 --> 00:13:17.990 align:middle line:84% and then he did this silly little etching of himself 00:13:17.990 --> 00:13:19.380 align:middle line:90% in the theater, just so funny. 00:13:19.380 --> 00:13:24.720 align:middle line:90% So it really resonated with me. 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:31.280 align:middle line:84% So I did my portrait in 2060, where 00:13:31.280 --> 00:13:34.640 align:middle line:84% I'm not going to be dead, hopefully, 00:13:34.640 --> 00:13:36.510 align:middle line:90% but I'm going to be really old. 00:13:36.510 --> 00:13:40.790 align:middle line:84% So the Ensor piece was the impetus for me 00:13:40.790 --> 00:13:43.790 align:middle line:84% to make this little homage to his piece, 00:13:43.790 --> 00:13:48.490 align:middle line:84% this little sculpture that's about doll size. 00:13:48.490 --> 00:13:58.620 align:middle line:84% But when I was working as art handler, a friend of mine 00:13:58.620 --> 00:14:01.470 align:middle line:84% named Matt, we were having lunch and he had an apple 00:14:01.470 --> 00:14:05.580 align:middle line:84% and he carved a face into it and then he set it outside. 00:14:05.580 --> 00:14:08.100 align:middle line:84% At the end of the day, because it was a really hot day, 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:11.430 align:middle line:84% the apple just kind of shrunk and dehydrated. 00:14:11.430 --> 00:14:17.580 align:middle line:84% And then I remember doing this project in Cub Scouts-- 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:21.638 align:middle line:84% even though I'm female, my mom was a den mother for my older 00:14:21.638 --> 00:14:23.430 align:middle line:84% brother and I was too young to be on my own 00:14:23.430 --> 00:14:26.340 align:middle line:84% so I went to Cub Scout meetings and did all of the crafts. 00:14:26.340 --> 00:14:28.980 align:middle line:84% And we would do this apple head craft 00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:31.620 align:middle line:84% and I remembered it really fondly, 00:14:31.620 --> 00:14:38.390 align:middle line:84% and researched apple heads, apple head dolls 00:14:38.390 --> 00:14:42.530 align:middle line:84% and this other phenomenon came up called kitchen witches, 00:14:42.530 --> 00:14:46.265 align:middle line:84% which are apple head dolls that you make 00:14:46.265 --> 00:14:48.890 align:middle line:84% and you make it into a witch and you put them into your kitchen 00:14:48.890 --> 00:14:51.050 align:middle line:84% and they're supposed to be good luck. 00:14:51.050 --> 00:14:54.890 align:middle line:84% So this piece is kind of a combination of a self-portrait 00:14:54.890 --> 00:14:57.710 align:middle line:84% based on the Ensor piece and that kind of humor 00:14:57.710 --> 00:15:00.380 align:middle line:84% and then this idea of a kitchen witch 00:15:00.380 --> 00:15:02.600 align:middle line:84% and then just this nostalgic idea 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:07.160 align:middle line:84% of revisiting an old craft, which 00:15:07.160 --> 00:15:11.400 align:middle line:90% I do quite often in my work. 00:15:11.400 --> 00:15:11.900 align:middle line:90% Oops. 00:15:11.900 --> 00:15:14.770 align:middle line:90% 00:15:14.770 --> 00:15:15.670 align:middle line:90% Get rid of that. 00:15:15.670 --> 00:15:20.570 align:middle line:90% 00:15:20.570 --> 00:15:24.590 align:middle line:84% This piece, so again, I'm still living in my studio, 00:15:24.590 --> 00:15:28.350 align:middle line:84% still getting stuff from the market next door. 00:15:28.350 --> 00:15:33.200 align:middle line:84% They discarded a paper towel box where 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.170 align:middle line:84% they would get masses of paper towels 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:38.390 align:middle line:84% and it was a Brawny paper towel box. 00:15:38.390 --> 00:15:40.160 align:middle line:84% I'm going to flip to the next slide 00:15:40.160 --> 00:15:41.990 align:middle line:84% because you can see it a little bit better. 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:44.030 align:middle line:90% Right here. 00:15:44.030 --> 00:15:48.870 align:middle line:84% And the box had the Brawny logo on it, 00:15:48.870 --> 00:15:53.810 align:middle line:84% it had just the Brawny guy's head and shoulders and a couple 00:15:53.810 --> 00:15:55.280 align:middle line:84% of trees behind him, which is all 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:56.690 align:middle line:90% you ever see of the Brawny guy. 00:15:56.690 --> 00:16:01.760 align:middle line:84% And then I thought, what's the rest of him look like? 00:16:01.760 --> 00:16:04.100 align:middle line:84% Maybe he's super dopey from here down. 00:16:04.100 --> 00:16:07.880 align:middle line:84% So I made this dopey kind of paunchy version of him, 00:16:07.880 --> 00:16:11.240 align:middle line:84% and I filled in the rest of him with what 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.270 align:middle line:84% I would imagine what the rest of that view 00:16:14.270 --> 00:16:16.520 align:middle line:90% is that we never get to see. 00:16:16.520 --> 00:16:19.430 align:middle line:84% And then I thought it was like a TV set. 00:16:19.430 --> 00:16:24.200 align:middle line:84% Then we decided to make a really paunchy, dopey, bad, abstract 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:27.920 align:middle line:84% version of the Brawny guy holding a realistic version 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:29.180 align:middle line:90% of his own head. 00:16:29.180 --> 00:16:31.490 align:middle line:84% So it's kind of like this self-reflective thing 00:16:31.490 --> 00:16:33.080 align:middle line:84% where he's watching himself on TV 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.680 align:middle line:84% and he's holding his own head and maybe the head's looking 00:16:36.680 --> 00:16:43.075 align:middle line:84% at him and it's just this triangulation of the Brawny 00:16:43.075 --> 00:16:43.575 align:middle line:90% guys. 00:16:43.575 --> 00:16:46.400 align:middle line:90% 00:16:46.400 --> 00:16:47.540 align:middle line:90% | was in the same show. 00:16:47.540 --> 00:16:49.100 align:middle line:90% This is a show I had at Sister. 00:16:49.100 --> 00:16:53.360 align:middle line:84% Brawny Guys, this piece called Good Kitty Gone Bad. 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:57.560 align:middle line:84% Good Kitty Gone Bad is just the t-shirt 00:16:57.560 --> 00:17:00.920 align:middle line:84% I found at the thrift store that I put on this little figure, 00:17:00.920 --> 00:17:04.452 align:middle line:84% but from across the room-- you can kind of 00:17:04.452 --> 00:17:06.619 align:middle line:84% see it in this photo-- from across the room you just 00:17:06.619 --> 00:17:08.577 align:middle line:84% see the little girl looking in the mirror, kind 00:17:08.577 --> 00:17:10.310 align:middle line:90% of contemplating herself. 00:17:10.310 --> 00:17:12.317 align:middle line:84% But then if you go over her shoulder 00:17:12.317 --> 00:17:14.359 align:middle line:84% and look down at what she's seeing in the mirror, 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:19.554 align:middle line:84% you realize she's got this horrific old grotesque mask on. 00:17:19.554 --> 00:17:21.790 align:middle line:84% It's not her mask, it's her head. 00:17:21.790 --> 00:17:25.270 align:middle line:84% So it gives you maybe a little jump scare or something 00:17:25.270 --> 00:17:26.839 align:middle line:90% when you look over to it. 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:31.720 align:middle line:84% And I like to think about Caro and how 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:33.603 align:middle line:84% you have to move around his sculpture, 00:17:33.603 --> 00:17:35.770 align:middle line:84% and you kind of have to do that with this piece just 00:17:35.770 --> 00:17:38.800 align:middle line:90% to get the entirety of it. 00:17:38.800 --> 00:17:44.520 align:middle line:84% So this was another show, different show, 00:17:44.520 --> 00:17:46.785 align:middle line:84% called Deep Red that I did in Paris. 00:17:46.785 --> 00:17:52.310 align:middle line:90% 00:17:52.310 --> 00:17:57.660 align:middle line:84% So this font, this bloody font, this actually says my name. 00:17:57.660 --> 00:18:01.550 align:middle line:84% This is called Bloody Amy Sarkisian. 00:18:01.550 --> 00:18:06.470 align:middle line:84% When I was younger, a lot of us were into metal. 00:18:06.470 --> 00:18:08.180 align:middle line:84% My friends would have bands and then they 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:14.050 align:middle line:84% would make these fonts and logos for their band, 00:18:14.050 --> 00:18:16.300 align:middle line:84% but they were so bloody and over the top 00:18:16.300 --> 00:18:19.880 align:middle line:84% that you couldn't actually read what the band name was anymore. 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.420 align:middle line:84% It just became this abstract drippiness. 00:18:23.420 --> 00:18:33.200 align:middle line:84% So I did that with my name, and I covered the Amy Sarkisian 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.580 align:middle line:84% with red sequins, which kind of hearkens 00:18:37.580 --> 00:18:42.020 align:middle line:84% back to this glam rock kind of aesthetic. 00:18:42.020 --> 00:18:43.880 align:middle line:84% But at the same time, since it's blood 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:49.550 align:middle line:84% dripping down the wall, as you move the sequins 00:18:49.550 --> 00:18:52.830 align:middle line:90% will capture light differently. 00:18:52.830 --> 00:18:55.700 align:middle line:84% So it gives the sense of movement 00:18:55.700 --> 00:18:59.630 align:middle line:84% even though it's a completely static object. 00:18:59.630 --> 00:19:02.660 align:middle line:84% So I liked that, again, that combination of something 00:19:02.660 --> 00:19:09.060 align:middle line:84% seductive and beautiful and being almost cryptic 00:19:09.060 --> 00:19:13.540 align:middle line:84% and not being able to tell what you're looking at. 00:19:13.540 --> 00:19:17.480 align:middle line:84% And then it's flanked with these two 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:22.360 align:middle line:90% cloaked, scary, bloody heads. 00:19:22.360 --> 00:19:27.390 align:middle line:84% Then same show, this is called Profondo Rosso, 00:19:27.390 --> 00:19:32.340 align:middle line:84% which is deep red in Italian which is the name of a Dario 00:19:32.340 --> 00:19:33.210 align:middle line:90% Argento film. 00:19:33.210 --> 00:19:37.260 align:middle line:84% I was watching a lot of Dario Argento films at this time. 00:19:37.260 --> 00:19:40.120 align:middle line:84% There's a movie called Tenebrae or "tenny-bray." 00:19:40.120 --> 00:19:42.210 align:middle line:84% I don't know how to say it, but I 00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:46.860 align:middle line:84% think it means darkness if I'm not wrong. 00:19:46.860 --> 00:19:51.340 align:middle line:84% There's a scene in that film where one of the actors 00:19:51.340 --> 00:19:56.320 align:middle line:84% gets her arm or hand cut off and then slow motion 00:19:56.320 --> 00:20:00.490 align:middle line:84% she just turns across this white wall 00:20:00.490 --> 00:20:02.140 align:middle line:84% and the blood is just splattering 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:03.230 align:middle line:90% all over this white wall. 00:20:03.230 --> 00:20:06.040 align:middle line:84% And again, it's just like the most gorgeous thing 00:20:06.040 --> 00:20:09.070 align:middle line:84% you have ever seen and the most horrific, which Argento's 00:20:09.070 --> 00:20:11.710 align:middle line:84% the master of doing this combination 00:20:11.710 --> 00:20:17.510 align:middle line:84% of beautiful and violent, horrific imagery. 00:20:17.510 --> 00:20:21.670 align:middle line:84% So I took that blood splatter and traced it 00:20:21.670 --> 00:20:25.370 align:middle line:84% and then recreated it and covered it with sequins. 00:20:25.370 --> 00:20:30.880 align:middle line:84% So this piece is about 12 feet long; it's not small. 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:37.380 align:middle line:84% So it would be the size of what it would be if that actually 00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:39.090 align:middle line:90% was traced from the film. 00:20:39.090 --> 00:20:42.090 align:middle line:84% And then at the bottom these blood 00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:43.950 align:middle line:84% pooling up where the wall might meet 00:20:43.950 --> 00:20:49.080 align:middle line:84% the floor, which feels like another horror trope or a movie 00:20:49.080 --> 00:20:49.740 align:middle line:90% trope. 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:52.710 align:middle line:84% And then this is a view of the entire show where 00:20:52.710 --> 00:20:55.080 align:middle line:84% I've got the Amityville Horror bleeding 00:20:55.080 --> 00:20:58.080 align:middle line:90% wall on the other side. 00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:02.670 align:middle line:84% And then behind on this little wall, 00:21:02.670 --> 00:21:04.170 align:middle line:84% there's one more piece that's called 00:21:04.170 --> 00:21:06.090 align:middle line:90% Don't Worry, It's Almost Over. 00:21:06.090 --> 00:21:11.400 align:middle line:84% This piece was one of those kind of distraction pieces 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:13.260 align:middle line:84% that I was doing in my studio while I 00:21:13.260 --> 00:21:17.460 align:middle line:84% was gluing little tiny pieces of sequins 00:21:17.460 --> 00:21:26.910 align:middle line:84% all over these giant cutout wood pieces. 00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:32.280 align:middle line:84% Which again, I like getting into that meditative space. 00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:38.838 align:middle line:84% I like having that process where it slows you down 00:21:38.838 --> 00:21:40.380 align:middle line:84% and you get into a certain headspace. 00:21:40.380 --> 00:21:43.470 align:middle line:84% But at the same time, it's nice to do something 00:21:43.470 --> 00:21:46.440 align:middle line:84% like this that was just so fun and I didn't think about it 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.180 align:middle line:84% at all and then I found this super ball 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:49.770 align:middle line:84% and just shoved it in the eye socket. 00:21:49.770 --> 00:21:52.270 align:middle line:84% And I thought, well, that's the perfect metaphor for someone 00:21:52.270 --> 00:21:53.920 align:middle line:90% winking at you, right? 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:57.480 align:middle line:84% And it's also giving this lightheartedness 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:02.970 align:middle line:84% to the whole bloody, violent show. 00:22:02.970 --> 00:22:07.390 align:middle line:84% So I really like this because there's a freshness to it 00:22:07.390 --> 00:22:10.130 align:middle line:90% and I didn't expect it. 00:22:10.130 --> 00:22:12.000 align:middle line:84% It wasn't something that I plotted 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:18.923 align:middle line:84% out and intellectualized and so really love that piece. 00:22:18.923 --> 00:22:21.340 align:middle line:84% Sometimes you do things like that, it doesn't work at all; 00:22:21.340 --> 00:22:22.360 align:middle line:90% it goes in the garbage. 00:22:22.360 --> 00:22:26.680 align:middle line:84% That's fine too, but this one was pretty fun for me. 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:28.750 align:middle line:90% This was a piece-- 00:22:28.750 --> 00:22:31.660 align:middle line:84% I was still getting a lot of my materials from thrift stores, 00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:34.180 align:middle line:84% so I would get old clothes, cut them up, use the fabric, 00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:35.410 align:middle line:90% see what I could make. 00:22:35.410 --> 00:22:38.170 align:middle line:90% And this is called Rose. 00:22:38.170 --> 00:22:49.330 align:middle line:84% So I made a rose out of some red felt or maybe it was velvet 00:22:49.330 --> 00:22:53.260 align:middle line:84% and I had this head laying around, this wig head. 00:22:53.260 --> 00:22:58.290 align:middle line:84% And I decided, well, it kind of is the size and shape of a cut 00:22:58.290 --> 00:23:00.990 align:middle line:84% off neck so I just combined the two. 00:23:00.990 --> 00:23:04.150 align:middle line:84% So this piece actually sits on the floor. 00:23:04.150 --> 00:23:08.005 align:middle line:84% So it's like some sort of foliage 00:23:08.005 --> 00:23:09.630 align:middle line:84% growing out of the ground, but then you 00:23:09.630 --> 00:23:12.600 align:middle line:84% come around to the other side and it's this decapitated head. 00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:14.760 align:middle line:84% Again, watching too much Argento, 00:23:14.760 --> 00:23:16.670 align:middle line:90% it found its way into my work. 00:23:16.670 --> 00:23:20.610 align:middle line:84% But there's also a kind of a Muppet-like quality to this 00:23:20.610 --> 00:23:23.660 align:middle line:90% that I like. 00:23:23.660 --> 00:23:26.700 align:middle line:84% And then I did another show in Paris 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:31.835 align:middle line:90% and this is a lot less bloody. 00:23:31.835 --> 00:23:35.680 align:middle line:90% 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.770 align:middle line:84% So I was getting a lot of furniture, 00:23:38.770 --> 00:23:42.880 align:middle line:84% I had moved in with my now husband 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.410 align:middle line:90% and we went to IKEA lot. 00:23:47.410 --> 00:23:52.000 align:middle line:84% And I just hated this end table so much because it just 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.580 align:middle line:90% screamed IKEA to me. 00:23:54.580 --> 00:23:57.290 align:middle line:84% So I bought it because I hated it 00:23:57.290 --> 00:24:01.880 align:middle line:84% and then I decided that I'm going 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:05.800 align:middle line:84% to do this antique marquetry technique on it. 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:10.100 align:middle line:84% I was looking at a lot of wood inlay 00:24:10.100 --> 00:24:13.130 align:middle line:84% but since it was a shitty IKEA end table, 00:24:13.130 --> 00:24:16.910 align:middle line:84% you couldn't do real wood veneer so I did contact paper wood 00:24:16.910 --> 00:24:19.040 align:middle line:90% veneer inlay on it. 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:21.830 align:middle line:84% But I didn't try to make it look shitty, 00:24:21.830 --> 00:24:23.990 align:middle line:90% I wanted it to be beautiful. 00:24:23.990 --> 00:24:30.300 align:middle line:84% Within this realm of IKEA, this makes sense to me. 00:24:30.300 --> 00:24:33.500 align:middle line:84% So I did several IKEA furniture pieces where 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:36.040 align:middle line:90% I inlaid with contact paper. 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:40.250 align:middle line:84% I like this table because it's kind of hearkening back 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:44.150 align:middle line:90% to a minimalist cube in a way. 00:24:44.150 --> 00:24:46.820 align:middle line:90% There's a close up of the top. 00:24:46.820 --> 00:24:51.080 align:middle line:84% So I looked at a lot of quilt patterns and marquetry patterns 00:24:51.080 --> 00:24:57.560 align:middle line:84% and I really tried to make something beautiful, 00:24:57.560 --> 00:25:04.210 align:middle line:84% not to make fun of IKEA furniture. 00:25:04.210 --> 00:25:06.010 align:middle line:84% I mean, I have tons of IKEA furniture. 00:25:06.010 --> 00:25:10.870 align:middle line:84% I can't make fun of people who own it because I'm that. 00:25:10.870 --> 00:25:14.740 align:middle line:84% And then in the same show, this is another example 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:19.510 align:middle line:84% of me kind of looking back and getting nostalgic craft 00:25:19.510 --> 00:25:22.610 align:middle line:84% and bringing it back into my practice, 00:25:22.610 --> 00:25:26.380 align:middle line:84% which when I was younger I did a lot of latch hook rugs. 00:25:26.380 --> 00:25:30.190 align:middle line:84% It was very big in the early '80s and '70s 00:25:30.190 --> 00:25:32.740 align:middle line:90% to make latch hook. 00:25:32.740 --> 00:25:36.670 align:middle line:84% I'm also Armenian, so my house was full of Persian rugs. 00:25:36.670 --> 00:25:39.020 align:middle line:84% My dad loves Persian rugs so they were everywhere, 00:25:39.020 --> 00:25:43.540 align:middle line:84% so I just grew up with them being just a very normal thing 00:25:43.540 --> 00:25:44.140 align:middle line:90% in our house. 00:25:44.140 --> 00:25:46.910 align:middle line:90% 00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:51.610 align:middle line:84% So I decided to recreate a real Persian rug 00:25:51.610 --> 00:25:53.020 align:middle line:90% but using latch hook. 00:25:53.020 --> 00:26:01.780 align:middle line:84% So if you look at the back of a really nice Persian rug, 00:26:01.780 --> 00:26:04.270 align:middle line:84% you'll see that like maybe within a square inch 00:26:04.270 --> 00:26:09.220 align:middle line:84% there's 25 to 50, maybe more, little pieces of wool 00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:11.020 align:middle line:90% in there creating the design. 00:26:11.020 --> 00:26:13.810 align:middle line:84% But when you have a latch hook, you get a choice of four. 00:26:13.810 --> 00:26:18.590 align:middle line:84% It's just such a big mesh and I'm using yarn. 00:26:18.590 --> 00:26:21.530 align:middle line:84% So it actually doesn't translate super well in this photo, 00:26:21.530 --> 00:26:23.250 align:middle line:90% but when you-- 00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:25.290 align:middle line:84% it tightens it up in the photograph, 00:26:25.290 --> 00:26:31.430 align:middle line:84% but when you see the rug in real life it's blurry. 00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:34.140 align:middle line:84% And a friend of mine said, I feel like when I look at this, 00:26:34.140 --> 00:26:34.880 align:middle line:90% I'm drunk. 00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.510 align:middle line:84% You can't really focus on it quite well. 00:26:39.510 --> 00:26:43.340 align:middle line:84% So again, it's kind of taking this high 00:26:43.340 --> 00:26:48.560 align:middle line:84% and adding it to this low, and then what happens here? 00:26:48.560 --> 00:26:49.860 align:middle line:90% Neutralizing. 00:26:49.860 --> 00:26:52.680 align:middle line:84% And it's just called Rug Sculpture, 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.990 align:middle line:84% and this is a shot of all three pieces together. 00:26:55.990 --> 00:26:59.610 align:middle line:90% 00:26:59.610 --> 00:27:02.600 align:middle line:84% Then I did a show at Sister in Los Angeles. 00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:06.830 align:middle line:84% This is the poster I did for it where 00:27:06.830 --> 00:27:10.850 align:middle line:84% I had been doing a lot of just goofy, doodley face 00:27:10.850 --> 00:27:14.990 align:middle line:84% drawings in a sketchbook, maybe 9x12, 00:27:14.990 --> 00:27:22.490 align:middle line:84% but I didn't feel like they were resolved enough to exhibit. 00:27:22.490 --> 00:27:25.510 align:middle line:84% And I didn't want to just frame these little drawings. 00:27:25.510 --> 00:27:31.930 align:middle line:84% I felt like because they were so quick and silly, 00:27:31.930 --> 00:27:37.450 align:middle line:84% I needed to give them a little bit more grandeur, I guess. 00:27:37.450 --> 00:27:44.330 align:middle line:84% So I took these small drawings and I created oil paintings 00:27:44.330 --> 00:27:45.890 align:middle line:84% with them but I didn't use color, 00:27:45.890 --> 00:27:50.060 align:middle line:84% I just used like a buff toned ground 00:27:50.060 --> 00:27:54.800 align:middle line:84% and used black oil paint-- oh my God, a rat just ran by. 00:27:54.800 --> 00:27:55.710 align:middle line:90% Ugh. 00:27:55.710 --> 00:27:56.210 align:middle line:90% Sorry. 00:27:56.210 --> 00:27:58.820 align:middle line:90% 00:27:58.820 --> 00:28:04.880 align:middle line:84% Black oil paint and that's what these paintings are. 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.270 align:middle line:84% So I feel like I've taken the drawings 00:28:07.270 --> 00:28:10.300 align:middle line:84% and got them to a point where they were resolved enough 00:28:10.300 --> 00:28:13.660 align:middle line:84% for me to exhibit them or they're resolved enough for me 00:28:13.660 --> 00:28:17.970 align:middle line:90% to say, OK, this is the artwork. 00:28:17.970 --> 00:28:22.280 align:middle line:84% This is 6x4 feet, which is a pretty big for a painting. 00:28:22.280 --> 00:28:26.180 align:middle line:84% And then this was before, this is after. 00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:29.540 align:middle line:84% Which is 11x9 feet, which is the biggest painting 00:28:29.540 --> 00:28:30.560 align:middle line:90% I think I've ever done. 00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:34.220 align:middle line:90% 00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:38.180 align:middle line:84% This is a shot of it in the space. 00:28:38.180 --> 00:28:40.070 align:middle line:84% If you've never been to Sister Gallery, 00:28:40.070 --> 00:28:42.020 align:middle line:84% it doesn't exist anymore, but when it did 00:28:42.020 --> 00:28:44.570 align:middle line:84% it wasn't a huge, cavernous gallery. 00:28:44.570 --> 00:28:46.640 align:middle line:90% It was a little more intimate. 00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.460 align:middle line:84% So with those two larger paintings and then 00:28:49.460 --> 00:28:53.090 align:middle line:84% these smaller paintings, which were flanking either wall, 00:28:53.090 --> 00:28:55.010 align:middle line:84% when you walked into the room you really 00:28:55.010 --> 00:28:59.060 align:middle line:84% felt like someone was invading your personal space. 00:28:59.060 --> 00:29:01.250 align:middle line:84% The energy in there from the paintings 00:29:01.250 --> 00:29:04.163 align:middle line:84% caused people to leave the gallery and lots of people 00:29:04.163 --> 00:29:06.080 align:middle line:84% were like, I just can't be in there with them. 00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:08.690 align:middle line:84% They're just too crowded and there's no one in the room 00:29:08.690 --> 00:29:12.560 align:middle line:84% except for you and these creepy paintings. 00:29:12.560 --> 00:29:15.970 align:middle line:90% Here's another view. 00:29:15.970 --> 00:29:21.410 align:middle line:84% So I liked this idea of a painting physically making you 00:29:21.410 --> 00:29:25.030 align:middle line:84% move, which is what sculpture typically does. 00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:27.710 align:middle line:84% So that comes back a little bit later 00:29:27.710 --> 00:29:30.320 align:middle line:84% when I start doing more painting, 00:29:30.320 --> 00:29:35.060 align:middle line:84% and this idea of personal space too with images. 00:29:35.060 --> 00:29:36.140 align:middle line:90% Then I did a show-- 00:29:36.140 --> 00:29:38.600 align:middle line:90% I lost both of those galleries. 00:29:38.600 --> 00:29:41.360 align:middle line:84% My LA gallery and my Paris gallery 00:29:41.360 --> 00:29:45.730 align:middle line:84% didn't fare too well during the recession. 00:29:45.730 --> 00:29:47.810 align:middle line:84% So I was kind of a free agent and I 00:29:47.810 --> 00:29:50.280 align:middle line:84% joined an artist collective called 00:29:50.280 --> 00:29:54.960 align:middle line:84% WPA and we had a space in Chinatown in Los Angeles. 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.800 align:middle line:84% We would all pitch in, pay the rent for the space, 00:29:57.800 --> 00:30:01.550 align:middle line:84% and then either curate a show or we would show our work 00:30:01.550 --> 00:30:03.650 align:middle line:84% or do whatever we wanted for whatever month 00:30:03.650 --> 00:30:04.610 align:middle line:90% we got designated. 00:30:04.610 --> 00:30:10.310 align:middle line:84% So I did a show and I was teaching sculpture 00:30:10.310 --> 00:30:16.690 align:middle line:84% and I was reading passages in modern sculpture, 00:30:16.690 --> 00:30:19.510 align:middle line:84% again, by Rosalind Krauss, and so I 00:30:19.510 --> 00:30:23.560 align:middle line:84% was thinking a lot about modernist sculpture. 00:30:23.560 --> 00:30:29.560 align:middle line:84% Also looking at-- well, not looking at, 00:30:29.560 --> 00:30:35.980 align:middle line:84% kind of remembering gag gifts and prank 00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:39.047 align:middle line:84% stuff that you'd find like at the back of comic books 00:30:39.047 --> 00:30:39.880 align:middle line:90% when you were young. 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:41.690 align:middle line:84% They don't really do this anymore. 00:30:41.690 --> 00:30:45.950 align:middle line:84% You could get like a dog barf or a hand buzzer or something 00:30:45.950 --> 00:30:46.450 align:middle line:90% like that. 00:30:46.450 --> 00:30:49.450 align:middle line:84% So I started looking at those objects 00:30:49.450 --> 00:30:53.245 align:middle line:84% again and based the show on that idea, 00:30:53.245 --> 00:30:55.720 align:middle line:90% and this is called American Gag. 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.500 align:middle line:84% So this is just the world's largest underwear, 00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:04.810 align:middle line:84% and then I made this perfect, nice linear-based sphere 00:31:04.810 --> 00:31:08.280 align:middle line:90% to fit the underwear. 00:31:08.280 --> 00:31:10.580 align:middle line:90% This is 3 feet by 3 feet. 00:31:10.580 --> 00:31:13.960 align:middle line:84% And again, it's kind of taking the highness 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:19.000 align:middle line:84% and the haughtiness of modern art and just making it human, 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.560 align:middle line:84% giving it this figure development 00:31:20.560 --> 00:31:24.700 align:middle line:84% and making it more human, knocking it down. 00:31:24.700 --> 00:31:28.600 align:middle line:90% This piece was in Unruly. 00:31:28.600 --> 00:31:30.850 align:middle line:90% Remember? 00:31:30.850 --> 00:31:32.440 align:middle line:90% Double Mohawk. 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.290 align:middle line:84% So this piece is lifesize, little taller 00:31:35.290 --> 00:31:36.910 align:middle line:90% than the average person. 00:31:36.910 --> 00:31:37.750 align:middle line:90% 7 feet. 00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:41.280 align:middle line:90% 00:31:41.280 --> 00:31:44.630 align:middle line:84% This was another piece called Perv. 00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:47.850 align:middle line:84% So very clearly you can see I'm thinking 00:31:47.850 --> 00:31:53.160 align:middle line:84% a lot about abstract sculpture, modernism, 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.860 align:middle line:84% but again, adding this silly element 00:31:55.860 --> 00:31:59.130 align:middle line:84% with the wingtip shoes and the mirrors 00:31:59.130 --> 00:32:02.562 align:middle line:84% on the feet, which are like this old trope of men trying 00:32:02.562 --> 00:32:03.645 align:middle line:90% to look up women's skirts. 00:32:03.645 --> 00:32:07.540 align:middle line:90% 00:32:07.540 --> 00:32:10.720 align:middle line:90% And then I did a lot of these. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.220 align:middle line:84% I actually don't have a slide of it. 00:32:12.220 --> 00:32:14.770 align:middle line:84% I did these smiles in the last show 00:32:14.770 --> 00:32:20.590 align:middle line:84% where I just sold these little smiles that were maybe 00:32:20.590 --> 00:32:23.560 align:middle line:84% around 12 inches big on pieces of wood. 00:32:23.560 --> 00:32:25.060 align:middle line:84% I'd paint all these different smiles 00:32:25.060 --> 00:32:28.360 align:middle line:84% and sold each one for $100 at the show 00:32:28.360 --> 00:32:32.950 align:middle line:84% and then I decided I was going to make a gigantic smile. 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.250 align:middle line:84% So this is actually three pieces of plywood 00:32:36.250 --> 00:32:41.380 align:middle line:84% that have been connected together, so it's quite big. 00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:49.480 align:middle line:84% It's about 12 feet wide, so it towers over you a bit. 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.310 align:middle line:84% And it just leans against the wall. 00:32:51.310 --> 00:32:55.030 align:middle line:84% It's 3/4 inch ply that's been supported in the back 00:32:55.030 --> 00:33:01.490 align:middle line:84% and this is a good example of how 00:33:01.490 --> 00:33:03.730 align:middle line:84% things in your life when you're making your work 00:33:03.730 --> 00:33:08.440 align:middle line:84% can find their way into your work because at this time, 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.930 align:middle line:84% I was dealing with getting braces. 00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:14.440 align:middle line:84% And so all of a sudden, everything was about teeth 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.570 align:middle line:90% and smiles. 00:33:16.570 --> 00:33:20.570 align:middle line:84% This piece I'm including because I 00:33:20.570 --> 00:33:23.450 align:middle line:84% think it's important to note that I 00:33:23.450 --> 00:33:25.410 align:middle line:90% don't work in studios anymore. 00:33:25.410 --> 00:33:29.870 align:middle line:84% I can't afford the double rent and I got really sick 00:33:29.870 --> 00:33:33.620 align:middle line:84% of living in a studio and having a hot plate. 00:33:33.620 --> 00:33:39.500 align:middle line:84% I just want normal comfort at a human American level 00:33:39.500 --> 00:33:44.390 align:middle line:84% and then I will find places to make my work. 00:33:44.390 --> 00:33:48.898 align:middle line:84% So it's scary for a lot of gallerists who see this 00:33:48.898 --> 00:33:50.690 align:middle line:84% because they really want to take collectors 00:33:50.690 --> 00:33:55.070 align:middle line:84% into a nice, cavernous studio to show them the work 00:33:55.070 --> 00:33:58.050 align:middle line:84% and say, oh, this is the artist and where they work. 00:33:58.050 --> 00:34:02.330 align:middle line:84% I like to work where I live and I like to work in my house 00:34:02.330 --> 00:34:06.360 align:middle line:84% so I just figure it out, and that's totally fine. 00:34:06.360 --> 00:34:08.690 align:middle line:84% You can make great work in your living room, 00:34:08.690 --> 00:34:10.699 align:middle line:84% in your kitchen, wherever you need to. 00:34:10.699 --> 00:34:11.510 align:middle line:90% Just do it. 00:34:11.510 --> 00:34:14.630 align:middle line:90% 00:34:14.630 --> 00:34:16.610 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I mean, this is a pretty big piece 00:34:16.610 --> 00:34:19.310 align:middle line:84% and it's in my living room and it's fine. 00:34:19.310 --> 00:34:22.909 align:middle line:84% So this is another piece that I did. 00:34:22.909 --> 00:34:29.219 align:middle line:84% Again, this kind of figurative and abstract that's 00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.510 align:middle line:90% happening at the same time. 00:34:30.510 --> 00:34:32.460 align:middle line:84% I just had some old Uggs that were 00:34:32.460 --> 00:34:35.199 align:middle line:84% becoming very out of style; there was a hole in them. 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.139 align:middle line:84% So I combined them with these two sheets 00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:43.800 align:middle line:84% of just store-bought machined 4x8 sheets of birch ply, 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.330 align:middle line:84% cut a little slit so that I could 00:34:45.330 --> 00:34:51.120 align:middle line:84% put the boots on the panels there, 00:34:51.120 --> 00:34:53.050 align:middle line:84% and then just pushed them together. 00:34:53.050 --> 00:34:58.290 align:middle line:84% So for me the rise that the others are giving the corners 00:34:58.290 --> 00:35:03.150 align:middle line:84% creates a really nice void in between the two pieces 00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:06.150 align:middle line:84% and then it's just about that simple gesture, right? 00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:09.060 align:middle line:84% But then it also becomes these giant legs in a way 00:35:09.060 --> 00:35:10.590 align:middle line:84% because there's boots on the bottom. 00:35:10.590 --> 00:35:13.510 align:middle line:90% 00:35:13.510 --> 00:35:15.890 align:middle line:84% Another obvious figurative piece. 00:35:15.890 --> 00:35:23.070 align:middle line:84% This is just a little wall piece painting called Torso. 00:35:23.070 --> 00:35:25.860 align:middle line:84% And then I did a show at a friend's space 00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:28.170 align:middle line:84% called Weekend in Hollywood and I 00:35:28.170 --> 00:35:34.690 align:middle line:84% was thinking a lot about still, again, 00:35:34.690 --> 00:35:40.060 align:middle line:84% sculpture, using a lot of wood, glam rock. 00:35:40.060 --> 00:35:46.000 align:middle line:84% So this is a heavy metal boot with one Spandex covered leg 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.600 align:middle line:90% coming out of it. 00:35:47.600 --> 00:35:50.200 align:middle line:84% And then I think of the thing that it's standing on 00:35:50.200 --> 00:35:52.780 align:middle line:84% as a stage, and if you've ever gotten onto a stage 00:35:52.780 --> 00:35:57.940 align:middle line:84% there's always these little wood two step risers. 00:35:57.940 --> 00:36:00.800 align:middle line:84% So I put those all the way around each four side 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:06.590 align:middle line:84% so it creates this kind of worship pedestal, 00:36:06.590 --> 00:36:15.720 align:middle line:84% a ziggurat that the glam rock leg is on that you can worship. 00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:17.210 align:middle line:90% There's a back side view. 00:36:17.210 --> 00:36:19.880 align:middle line:84% So it's very angular and very abstracted, 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:25.940 align:middle line:84% but there's a little silver wooden spikes coming out of it. 00:36:25.940 --> 00:36:34.760 align:middle line:84% It was very fun to paint the tiger leg pattern. 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.510 align:middle line:84% And then in the same show there's a-- 00:36:39.510 --> 00:36:43.920 align:middle line:84% I think it was David Lee Roth who wore assless chaps once, 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.730 align:middle line:84% and I just thought that was so funny. 00:36:45.730 --> 00:36:50.370 align:middle line:84% So I made these band members, hair band members. 00:36:50.370 --> 00:36:53.430 align:middle line:84% The lead singer's in the middle, I guess, with the assless chaps 00:36:53.430 --> 00:36:56.530 align:middle line:84% and the other two guys are wearing their Spandex. 00:36:56.530 --> 00:36:57.930 align:middle line:84% And these are just planks, again, 00:36:57.930 --> 00:37:00.640 align:middle line:84% that lean against the wall that I painted. 00:37:00.640 --> 00:37:04.090 align:middle line:84% And I love adding hair to anything. 00:37:04.090 --> 00:37:05.245 align:middle line:90% I think it's really-- 00:37:05.245 --> 00:37:07.120 align:middle line:84% I don't know, there's just something about it 00:37:07.120 --> 00:37:09.550 align:middle line:90% that's so grotesque. 00:37:09.550 --> 00:37:10.930 align:middle line:90% I love it. 00:37:10.930 --> 00:37:13.630 align:middle line:90% So this was in the same show. 00:37:13.630 --> 00:37:19.630 align:middle line:84% So also considering the misogyny of a lot of those hair bands. 00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.600 align:middle line:84% And again, thinking about how painting 00:37:22.600 --> 00:37:25.750 align:middle line:90% can manipulate a viewer. 00:37:25.750 --> 00:37:28.630 align:middle line:84% So this is called My Eyes Are Up Here, 00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:34.480 align:middle line:84% so you actually have to either look at the eyes or the boobs 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.700 align:middle line:84% and they're so far apart that there's nothing 00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:37.870 align:middle line:90% to focus on in the middle. 00:37:37.870 --> 00:37:41.725 align:middle line:84% So it kind of forces you to keep moving your head up and down. 00:37:41.725 --> 00:37:45.210 align:middle line:90% 00:37:45.210 --> 00:37:48.750 align:middle line:84% And I just like that idea, that kind of manipulation. 00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:51.520 align:middle line:90% 00:37:51.520 --> 00:37:54.640 align:middle line:84% And then I started doing more paintings. 00:37:54.640 --> 00:37:59.920 align:middle line:84% I realized that if you paint, all of your materials are there 00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:01.840 align:middle line:84% and then you have leftover materials 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.280 align:middle line:90% and you can keep painting. 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.760 align:middle line:84% There was something really immediate and satisfying about 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.120 align:middle line:84% that instead of spending a weekend trying 00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:12.940 align:middle line:84% to find all the materials we're going 00:38:12.940 --> 00:38:14.440 align:middle line:84% to need and then learn how to make 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.850 align:middle line:90% the thing you want to make. 00:38:15.850 --> 00:38:17.980 align:middle line:84% There's something so immediate about painting, 00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:23.110 align:middle line:84% and then I could still get into a really meditative headspace 00:38:23.110 --> 00:38:26.890 align:middle line:84% with it and I enjoy the act of painting. 00:38:26.890 --> 00:38:30.160 align:middle line:84% And I still consider myself a sculptor 00:38:30.160 --> 00:38:34.130 align:middle line:84% because I feel like I'm just carving up 2D space, 00:38:34.130 --> 00:38:37.480 align:middle line:90% but it's very much about space. 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.670 align:middle line:84% And then it is very much about the viewer 00:38:39.670 --> 00:38:42.850 align:middle line:84% and how the viewer responds to that piece. 00:38:42.850 --> 00:38:44.770 align:middle line:84% So when I paint, I feel like it's 00:38:44.770 --> 00:38:48.980 align:middle line:84% as sculptural as you can get even though they're quite flat. 00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:58.390 align:middle line:84% I do mostly this flat, color field shapes. 00:38:58.390 --> 00:39:00.550 align:middle line:84% I started doing these animal paintings 00:39:00.550 --> 00:39:05.270 align:middle line:84% because I like this idea, again, of it's kind of taking up 00:39:05.270 --> 00:39:08.570 align:middle line:84% your personal space a bit just to look at them. 00:39:08.570 --> 00:39:15.140 align:middle line:84% And then the shapes themselves, if you focus on a shape, 00:39:15.140 --> 00:39:19.550 align:middle line:84% you kind of lose the representational part of it. 00:39:19.550 --> 00:39:22.700 align:middle line:84% And then if you can look at the thing in its entirety, 00:39:22.700 --> 00:39:23.760 align:middle line:90% it comes back. 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:30.723 align:middle line:84% So it kind of flickers between abstraction and representation 00:39:30.723 --> 00:39:32.390 align:middle line:84% and there's something about the symmetry 00:39:32.390 --> 00:39:36.540 align:middle line:84% that I also find really intriguing. 00:39:36.540 --> 00:39:37.345 align:middle line:90% It's a cat. 00:39:37.345 --> 00:39:43.000 align:middle line:90% 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:43.600 align:middle line:90% Bat. 00:39:43.600 --> 00:39:46.330 align:middle line:84% So they get a little abstract, so you 00:39:46.330 --> 00:39:48.040 align:middle line:84% have to figure out what to do with all 00:39:48.040 --> 00:39:49.300 align:middle line:90% the space in a painting. 00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:52.070 align:middle line:90% There's no real empty space. 00:39:52.070 --> 00:39:54.200 align:middle line:84% I mean, I guess you could just leave it, 00:39:54.200 --> 00:39:56.000 align:middle line:84% but you could leave it white gesso 00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.530 align:middle line:84% or you have to figure out a color. 00:39:57.530 --> 00:39:59.330 align:middle line:84% Whereas if you're making sculpture, 00:39:59.330 --> 00:40:00.770 align:middle line:90% that's just empty space. 00:40:00.770 --> 00:40:04.850 align:middle line:84% You don't have to fill it in because space fills it in. 00:40:04.850 --> 00:40:08.720 align:middle line:84% So it's a different way of carving up space and using up 00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:10.910 align:middle line:90% the space of the rectangle. 00:40:10.910 --> 00:40:14.070 align:middle line:84% This is a squirrel acorn nut thing 00:40:14.070 --> 00:40:16.320 align:middle line:84% that I did and I was looking at it and I just thought, 00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.410 align:middle line:84% there's something so vulgar about this. 00:40:18.410 --> 00:40:24.290 align:middle line:84% It's turning into like these spread legs or something, which 00:40:24.290 --> 00:40:25.700 align:middle line:90% I liked. 00:40:25.700 --> 00:40:31.100 align:middle line:84% So then I did this panties kind of tan line butt 00:40:31.100 --> 00:40:35.180 align:middle line:84% with the cheetah print panties, but it's also sort of an owl, 00:40:35.180 --> 00:40:38.375 align:middle line:84% so then they started getting more and more abstract. 00:40:38.375 --> 00:40:41.670 align:middle line:90% 00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:45.000 align:middle line:84% And then looked at these together, 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.430 align:middle line:84% this is like another kind of owl almost. 00:40:47.430 --> 00:40:51.262 align:middle line:84% But I thought to myself, what are you 00:40:51.262 --> 00:40:52.470 align:middle line:90% supposed to do with painting? 00:40:52.470 --> 00:40:53.385 align:middle line:90% What is painting about? 00:40:53.385 --> 00:40:54.960 align:middle line:84% And I thought, well, the thing you're not supposed to do 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.190 align:middle line:84% is put just a giant x on a painting. 00:40:57.190 --> 00:40:58.290 align:middle line:90% So that's what I did. 00:40:58.290 --> 00:41:01.170 align:middle line:84% I put a giant x on a painting, but when there's an x 00:41:01.170 --> 00:41:06.780 align:middle line:84% it's a bullet belt for me because of my metal history. 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:09.690 align:middle line:84% So I started thinking about Judas Priest and all of that 00:41:09.690 --> 00:41:13.410 align:middle line:90% and made this bullet belt guy. 00:41:13.410 --> 00:41:17.190 align:middle line:84% So I really like the dumb way this is divided up 00:41:17.190 --> 00:41:22.200 align:middle line:84% into four sections, but there's this really juicy bullet belt 00:41:22.200 --> 00:41:24.750 align:middle line:84% that you also visually get to latch on to, right? 00:41:24.750 --> 00:41:27.330 align:middle line:90% 00:41:27.330 --> 00:41:31.500 align:middle line:84% Still thinking about this hard cropping in on a chest, 00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:36.420 align:middle line:84% kind of thinking about Michael Jackson's leather jackets. 00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:38.580 align:middle line:84% I used to have a black biker jacket, 00:41:38.580 --> 00:41:42.390 align:middle line:84% but this interested me because those biker 00:41:42.390 --> 00:41:44.850 align:middle line:90% jackets are so triangular. 00:41:44.850 --> 00:41:49.080 align:middle line:84% So to put all of these triangles on the rectangle 00:41:49.080 --> 00:41:54.300 align:middle line:84% and then to try to create all of these different reds 00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:56.250 align:middle line:90% was a real challenge for me. 00:41:56.250 --> 00:41:58.620 align:middle line:84% So for me, this is just the red painting 00:41:58.620 --> 00:42:02.890 align:middle line:84% because each triangle is a different shade of red, 00:42:02.890 --> 00:42:04.860 align:middle line:84% and that was a challenge because I never 00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:10.710 align:middle line:84% had to think too much about color before. 00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:12.700 align:middle line:84% So it was fun, but I like this one. 00:42:12.700 --> 00:42:14.960 align:middle line:90% I think it's successful too. 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.860 align:middle line:84% This is just called Black T. So again, 00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:21.560 align:middle line:84% cropping in on arms and a t-shirt, but it 00:42:21.560 --> 00:42:27.260 align:middle line:84% also just being this really blank, monochrome 00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:32.600 align:middle line:84% with this kind of expressive cartoony hair 00:42:32.600 --> 00:42:34.130 align:middle line:90% flanking those two little sides. 00:42:34.130 --> 00:42:39.290 align:middle line:84% So it feels really wrong to me that it's just 00:42:39.290 --> 00:42:42.080 align:middle line:84% this for a painting, but that's also 00:42:42.080 --> 00:42:45.620 align:middle line:90% what I really love about it. 00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:50.090 align:middle line:84% This piece, still thinking about men's chest. 00:42:50.090 --> 00:42:52.090 align:middle line:84% I don't know if you guys are familiar with this, 00:42:52.090 --> 00:42:54.370 align:middle line:84% but when you see muscle guys like Muscle Beach 00:42:54.370 --> 00:42:57.760 align:middle line:84% or you go to a gym and you see the super tough guys, 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.150 align:middle line:84% but they have a super skinny tank top that 00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.440 align:middle line:90% doesn't cover their nipples. 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.040 align:middle line:84% It's always so confusing to me, so I'm like, 00:43:06.040 --> 00:43:08.350 align:middle line:90% I got to make that painting. 00:43:08.350 --> 00:43:14.980 align:middle line:84% So there's a tie dye wrestler or muscle guy shirt. 00:43:14.980 --> 00:43:17.980 align:middle line:84% Also again, just super abstract too, 00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:21.850 align:middle line:84% like what can I take that I find interesting and just really 00:43:21.850 --> 00:43:27.280 align:middle line:84% abstract it but also still give the viewer something to latch 00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:32.250 align:middle line:84% on to or something to kind of see that's representational? 00:43:32.250 --> 00:43:33.525 align:middle line:90% This is a little bit smaller. 00:43:33.525 --> 00:43:34.900 align:middle line:84% All of those other paintings were 00:43:34.900 --> 00:43:38.440 align:middle line:90% about 50x60, this one's 24x36. 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.460 align:middle line:84% This is more of a test, kind of trying out the hair again, 00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:44.170 align:middle line:84% trying out the black t-shirt again. 00:43:44.170 --> 00:43:49.720 align:middle line:84% And when we used to go see shows when I was younger it was just, 00:43:49.720 --> 00:43:51.670 align:middle line:84% you go to a hardcore show and the walls 00:43:51.670 --> 00:43:54.010 align:middle line:84% were just lined with dudes with their arms crossed 00:43:54.010 --> 00:43:55.990 align:middle line:84% wearing their black t-shirts just listening. 00:43:55.990 --> 00:44:04.540 align:middle line:84% So that to me is just this iconic band experience, 00:44:04.540 --> 00:44:06.420 align:middle line:90% music experience. 00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:14.410 align:middle line:84% Then I kept thinking about, what is painting? 00:44:14.410 --> 00:44:16.090 align:middle line:84% And I was telling my husband, you know, 00:44:16.090 --> 00:44:18.340 align:middle line:90% there's diptychs and triptychs. 00:44:18.340 --> 00:44:21.460 align:middle line:84% I'm like, I should just do a painting called Tripdicks 00:44:21.460 --> 00:44:23.440 align:middle line:90% and make just three giant dicks. 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.270 align:middle line:84% I was kind of mad too because the MeToo 00:44:25.270 --> 00:44:28.197 align:middle line:84% movement was happening and I was just pissed. 00:44:28.197 --> 00:44:29.530 align:middle line:90% So I'm like, I'm going to do it. 00:44:29.530 --> 00:44:34.690 align:middle line:84% So I just did a tripdick, but I didn't want to make it vulgar. 00:44:34.690 --> 00:44:36.050 align:middle line:90% That wasn't my intention. 00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:39.340 align:middle line:84% My intention was just to make giant dick paintings 00:44:39.340 --> 00:44:44.290 align:middle line:84% that you could just have on your wall that aren't offensive. 00:44:44.290 --> 00:44:47.170 align:middle line:84% But every guy that sees this and sees the one that's 00:44:47.170 --> 00:44:50.510 align:middle line:84% squirting out blood is horrified by it, but you know, 00:44:50.510 --> 00:44:52.977 align:middle line:90% I needed a third thing. 00:44:52.977 --> 00:44:54.560 align:middle line:84% My husband thinks this would look good 00:44:54.560 --> 00:44:56.960 align:middle line:90% on an ice cream truck. 00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:58.700 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:44:58.700 --> 00:45:00.610 align:middle line:90% It's cute. 00:45:00.610 --> 00:45:03.580 align:middle line:90% That's Bones, one of my dogs. 00:45:03.580 --> 00:45:07.030 align:middle line:84% She's in there for scale, but this is a diptych. 00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:11.650 align:middle line:84% So I'm thinking a lot about things that come in pairs 00:45:11.650 --> 00:45:14.890 align:middle line:84% and how you can create diptychs out of anything 00:45:14.890 --> 00:45:16.090 align:middle line:90% that comes in pairs. 00:45:16.090 --> 00:45:23.470 align:middle line:84% So also about just the dumbness of two feet that is a painting. 00:45:23.470 --> 00:45:25.120 align:middle line:90% It's just so dumb. 00:45:25.120 --> 00:45:28.900 align:middle line:84% It's just taking up so much space and it's just 00:45:28.900 --> 00:45:31.840 align:middle line:90% this fleshy color-- 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:34.930 align:middle line:90% that matches my flesh at least. 00:45:34.930 --> 00:45:38.950 align:middle line:84% And then the act of creating this multiple toe thing 00:45:38.950 --> 00:45:45.500 align:middle line:84% was meditative a little bit to just draw those in. 00:45:45.500 --> 00:45:46.820 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:45:46.820 --> 00:45:49.640 align:middle line:84% When I think of something to make that's really dumb, 00:45:49.640 --> 00:45:53.280 align:middle line:90% it motivates me. 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.570 align:middle line:84% Again, another giant dick painting. 00:45:55.570 --> 00:46:01.810 align:middle line:84% But there's a quote by Betty White where 00:46:01.810 --> 00:46:04.270 align:middle line:84% she said, "I don't understand why everyone says, 00:46:04.270 --> 00:46:05.620 align:middle line:90% oh, he's got big balls. 00:46:05.620 --> 00:46:06.640 align:middle line:90% Big balls." 00:46:06.640 --> 00:46:08.920 align:middle line:90% She goes, "they're so weak. 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:10.070 align:middle line:90% Balls are so weak." 00:46:10.070 --> 00:46:13.812 align:middle line:84% She goes, "Now a vagina, that thing can take a beating." 00:46:13.812 --> 00:46:15.520 align:middle line:84% And I was like Oh my God, she's so right. 00:46:15.520 --> 00:46:19.090 align:middle line:84% Why do we use that term when it's the weakest 00:46:19.090 --> 00:46:21.710 align:middle line:90% part of a human being? 00:46:21.710 --> 00:46:26.240 align:middle line:84% So I thought about what balls were and how fragile they are 00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:28.630 align:middle line:84% and then I just immediately thought of faberg茅 eggs and I 00:46:28.630 --> 00:46:30.088 align:middle line:84% was like, there's my next painting. 00:46:30.088 --> 00:46:33.700 align:middle line:90% This faberg茅 egg ball painting. 00:46:33.700 --> 00:46:36.170 align:middle line:84% So I looked up faberg茅 eggs and did my research. 00:46:36.170 --> 00:46:38.620 align:middle line:84% This is an actual design on one of them. 00:46:38.620 --> 00:46:42.940 align:middle line:84% I used a gold leaf paint, so you can 00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:47.870 align:middle line:84% see in the video there is this really beautiful sheen to it. 00:46:47.870 --> 00:46:53.990 align:middle line:84% But again, it's not this super graphic, gross dick picture. 00:46:53.990 --> 00:47:02.730 align:middle line:84% It's kind of a cute dick with really beautiful egg balls now. 00:47:02.730 --> 00:47:08.730 align:middle line:84% And this painting, again, dealing with this 00:47:08.730 --> 00:47:12.510 align:middle line:90% cropped in chest area. 00:47:12.510 --> 00:47:17.040 align:middle line:84% I was at a Pink Floyd concert right out of high school 00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:20.430 align:middle line:84% and it was a stadium show and I was a little stoned 00:47:20.430 --> 00:47:22.140 align:middle line:90% and I looked up. 00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:24.190 align:middle line:84% And because people were just coming down 00:47:24.190 --> 00:47:29.340 align:middle line:84% this really steep stairway, I saw this couple and the woman 00:47:29.340 --> 00:47:31.050 align:middle line:90% was wearing an AC/DC t-shirt. 00:47:31.050 --> 00:47:32.940 align:middle line:84% And she had cut it off, but she cut it 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:36.910 align:middle line:84% off so short that her boobs were hanging below it. 00:47:36.910 --> 00:47:39.190 align:middle line:84% And I was so intimidated and freaked out. 00:47:39.190 --> 00:47:40.860 align:middle line:90% I'm like, where am I? 00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:43.710 align:middle line:84% And that image burned into my brain so I'm like, 00:47:43.710 --> 00:47:46.650 align:middle line:90% oh, I got to make that painting. 00:47:46.650 --> 00:47:51.730 align:middle line:84% But there's also something really off-putting 00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:55.180 align:middle line:84% about almost dissecting a painting in half 00:47:55.180 --> 00:47:59.020 align:middle line:84% and not really getting the complete picture 00:47:59.020 --> 00:48:00.070 align:middle line:90% of either side. 00:48:00.070 --> 00:48:03.190 align:middle line:84% And then I do like AC/DC, so if I 00:48:03.190 --> 00:48:07.360 align:middle line:84% could put things that I love into my paintings, all 00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:07.900 align:middle line:90% the better. 00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:09.950 align:middle line:84% So it kind of does all of those things. 00:48:09.950 --> 00:48:13.420 align:middle line:84% And again, it breaks up and exists 00:48:13.420 --> 00:48:18.790 align:middle line:84% as something representational at the same time. 00:48:18.790 --> 00:48:20.820 align:middle line:90% And then this piece-- 00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:22.510 align:middle line:84% when I was talking to you about my teeth 00:48:22.510 --> 00:48:26.290 align:middle line:84% finding their way into my work, you know, 00:48:26.290 --> 00:48:30.010 align:middle line:84% I'm crazy perimenopausal, my body's changing. 00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:31.540 align:middle line:84% I keep making jokes with my friends 00:48:31.540 --> 00:48:34.370 align:middle line:84% about how our tits are going to be laying on the floor soon, 00:48:34.370 --> 00:48:43.291 align:middle line:84% so I decided to make this really flappy boob piece where there's 00:48:43.291 --> 00:48:49.420 align:middle line:84% basically just a pink rectangle with these flaps that 00:48:49.420 --> 00:48:51.485 align:middle line:84% are hanging below the edge of the painting. 00:48:51.485 --> 00:48:55.080 align:middle line:90% 00:48:55.080 --> 00:48:57.500 align:middle line:84% And this is on my Instagram page. 00:48:57.500 --> 00:48:59.720 align:middle line:84% This is a little video, so you can 00:48:59.720 --> 00:49:02.090 align:middle line:84% see how they just blow if they're outside in the wind. 00:49:02.090 --> 00:49:03.260 align:middle line:90% This is on my deck. 00:49:03.260 --> 00:49:06.980 align:middle line:84% So they're not held down at all; they're just 00:49:06.980 --> 00:49:09.410 align:middle line:84% at the whim of whatever the breeze does. 00:49:09.410 --> 00:49:11.660 align:middle line:84% If they're inside they're not going to move that much, 00:49:11.660 --> 00:49:17.960 align:middle line:84% but you get this feeling of just super flat droopiness, which 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:19.250 align:middle line:90% I think is really funny. 00:49:19.250 --> 00:49:29.310 align:middle line:84% And this is where I'm going with my painting is 00:49:29.310 --> 00:49:32.400 align:middle line:84% kind of getting my sculptural chops back into it. 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.690 align:middle line:84% So I'm doing less pure, flat imagery 00:49:36.690 --> 00:49:39.270 align:middle line:84% and I'm starting to add things to the surface 00:49:39.270 --> 00:49:41.250 align:middle line:90% or have things come out. 00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:46.560 align:middle line:84% So I'm dealing with painting now as wall sculptures. 00:49:46.560 --> 00:49:49.540 align:middle line:90% 00:49:49.540 --> 00:49:51.350 align:middle line:90% And this is the last slide. 00:49:51.350 --> 00:49:53.740 align:middle line:84% So this is just so far called Monster. 00:49:53.740 --> 00:49:55.630 align:middle line:90% It's kind of new. 00:49:55.630 --> 00:49:58.450 align:middle line:84% I'm doing a series based on Frankenstein 00:49:58.450 --> 00:50:04.120 align:middle line:84% and this was just a trial for an abstract Frankenstein version, 00:50:04.120 --> 00:50:05.800 align:middle line:84% and it didn't really like it very much 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.900 align:middle line:84% but it's grown on me a little bit 00:50:07.900 --> 00:50:11.110 align:middle line:84% and I like it more when I put the fur all the way around it 00:50:11.110 --> 00:50:18.380 align:middle line:84% because it makes it sillier and more monster-y behind me. 00:50:18.380 --> 00:50:24.900 align:middle line:84% And the red and the green are really close in value. 00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:26.510 align:middle line:84% So there is a painting that I grew up 00:50:26.510 --> 00:50:28.490 align:middle line:84% going to see at the Cleveland art museum 00:50:28.490 --> 00:50:32.720 align:middle line:84% by Ellsworth Kelly where it's this red blob 00:50:32.720 --> 00:50:34.950 align:middle line:84% with a blue background and the values-- 00:50:34.950 --> 00:50:37.100 align:middle line:84% or maybe it's a blue blob with a red background. 00:50:37.100 --> 00:50:38.270 align:middle line:90% I can't remember. 00:50:38.270 --> 00:50:41.430 align:middle line:84% The values are so close that you look at the painting 00:50:41.430 --> 00:50:44.238 align:middle line:84% and it just flickers like it's almost electric. 00:50:44.238 --> 00:50:46.280 align:middle line:84% And I really wanted to get that effect with this, 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:48.500 align:middle line:84% and you can kind of see that it's happening in the slide. 00:50:48.500 --> 00:50:50.510 align:middle line:84% It's a little bit more effective in real life. 00:50:50.510 --> 00:50:56.800 align:middle line:84% Not quite Ellsworth Kelly level, but it's doing that. 00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.100 align:middle line:84% And I like the softness and the goofiness 00:51:00.100 --> 00:51:06.550 align:middle line:84% that the fur brings to this really hard geometric design 00:51:06.550 --> 00:51:08.880 align:middle line:90% in the middle. 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.940 align:middle line:90% So that is it. 00:51:12.940 --> 00:51:14.200 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Amy. 00:51:14.200 --> 00:51:17.320 align:middle line:84% How cool to see the trajectory of your career 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:20.170 align:middle line:84% and the influences that you continue to explore. 00:51:20.170 --> 00:51:22.210 align:middle line:90% I love that. 00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:27.190 align:middle line:84% So we'd love to see if attendees have any questions for you. 00:51:27.190 --> 00:51:31.143 align:middle line:84% In the meantime, I think Andy can kick us off with a couple. 00:51:31.143 --> 00:51:32.560 align:middle line:84% I know we only have a few minutes. 00:51:32.560 --> 00:51:36.451 align:middle line:90% 00:51:36.451 --> 00:51:37.475 align:middle line:90% Yeah, awesome. 00:51:37.475 --> 00:51:39.100 align:middle line:84% I don't really want to presume too much 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:43.600 align:middle line:84% about your particular life but I think just in general, 00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:46.240 align:middle line:84% things have been kind of weird this past year, obviously, 00:51:46.240 --> 00:51:48.450 align:middle line:90% pandemic and all. 00:51:48.450 --> 00:51:50.440 align:middle line:84% And you mentioned that you work from home. 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.620 align:middle line:84% You're probably don't leave too often, other than 00:51:53.620 --> 00:51:55.120 align:middle line:84% to go into your backyard you said? 00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:56.440 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:00.370 align:middle line:84% I mean, how is that working with your studio practice right now? 00:52:00.370 --> 00:52:02.000 align:middle line:90% Is it good? 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:02.590 align:middle line:90% Is it bad? 00:52:02.590 --> 00:52:04.630 align:middle line:90% Is it none of the above? 00:52:04.630 --> 00:52:07.150 align:middle line:90% You know, it's bad. 00:52:07.150 --> 00:52:11.620 align:middle line:84% But I want to preface that by saying it's bad because I'm not 00:52:11.620 --> 00:52:14.590 align:middle line:84% getting a lot of work done, which you'd think like, oh, 00:52:14.590 --> 00:52:16.390 align:middle line:90% this is the time to do it. 00:52:16.390 --> 00:52:22.560 align:middle line:84% But because I'm at home so much, there's less in my life 00:52:22.560 --> 00:52:24.270 align:middle line:90% to put back into my work. 00:52:24.270 --> 00:52:31.290 align:middle line:84% So I have less moments where I'm like, uh, that! 00:52:31.290 --> 00:52:36.840 align:middle line:84% And it's making connections and I have to make this thing now. 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.280 align:middle line:90% And I think that's fine. 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:41.400 align:middle line:84% So I say bad for the work because it's not 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:46.890 align:middle line:84% getting produced as quickly, but I 00:52:46.890 --> 00:52:49.020 align:middle line:84% think it's just a weird time so I 00:52:49.020 --> 00:52:52.710 align:middle line:90% kind of need to ride this out. 00:52:52.710 --> 00:52:55.680 align:middle line:84% Maybe there will be a crazy spurt of energy 00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:57.960 align:middle line:84% after we start to get back to normal 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.720 align:middle line:84% and I'll have a bunch of things I need to make, 00:53:00.720 --> 00:53:04.740 align:middle line:84% but I just don't have the fire under my ass 00:53:04.740 --> 00:53:07.830 align:middle line:90% right now that I sometimes have. 00:53:07.830 --> 00:53:10.320 align:middle line:84% And that's normal for me, it just usually 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:12.960 align:middle line:84% doesn't last a year in my last few months of like, 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:14.250 align:middle line:90% I can't do anything. 00:53:14.250 --> 00:53:19.730 align:middle line:84% And then I make a bunch of stuff and then I stop again, so yeah. 00:53:19.730 --> 00:53:20.900 align:middle line:90% So I have a question. 00:53:20.900 --> 00:53:24.380 align:middle line:84% Because this video will be watched in the future 00:53:24.380 --> 00:53:26.210 align:middle line:84% by a lot of students at the college, 00:53:26.210 --> 00:53:29.030 align:middle line:84% we hope, can you talk about longevity? 00:53:29.030 --> 00:53:32.870 align:middle line:84% I mean, I think you've had a very long career. 00:53:32.870 --> 00:53:35.060 align:middle line:84% I don't know, any advice for young, 00:53:35.060 --> 00:53:38.420 align:middle line:84% emerging artists or emerging artists, I should say, 00:53:38.420 --> 00:53:41.495 align:middle line:84% who are interested in having a life in the arts? 00:53:41.495 --> 00:53:44.890 align:middle line:90% 00:53:44.890 --> 00:53:46.640 align:middle line:84% Well, this is what I tell all my students. 00:53:46.640 --> 00:53:47.840 align:middle line:90% Andy's heard this speech. 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.970 align:middle line:90% 00:53:50.970 --> 00:53:53.520 align:middle line:84% If you're interested in becoming a fine artist, 00:53:53.520 --> 00:53:57.210 align:middle line:84% a visual artist where you don't go get a job working 00:53:57.210 --> 00:54:00.000 align:middle line:84% for someone else or that job is tangential-- 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.880 align:middle line:84% like teaching is great for visual artists, 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.800 align:middle line:84% but they're hard to get those jobs-- 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.290 align:middle line:84% you need to get your master's degree. 00:54:07.290 --> 00:54:07.960 align:middle line:90% Go all the way. 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.830 align:middle line:84% You get your bachelor's, then you get your master's, then 00:54:10.830 --> 00:54:13.420 align:middle line:90% you can teach. 00:54:13.420 --> 00:54:17.950 align:middle line:84% Your instructors are not teachers from college, 00:54:17.950 --> 00:54:23.000 align:middle line:84% they are artists from the world and they will teach you. 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:27.830 align:middle line:84% So even if you don't want to teach 00:54:27.830 --> 00:54:32.430 align:middle line:84% or you are a trust fund kid and you don't need the money, when 00:54:32.430 --> 00:54:35.310 align:middle line:84% you go to graduate school you really 00:54:35.310 --> 00:54:38.550 align:middle line:84% can hone in on what you're trying to do. 00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:40.770 align:middle line:84% You meet lots of other people that you 00:54:40.770 --> 00:54:42.870 align:middle line:84% will be in touch with for the rest of your life 00:54:42.870 --> 00:54:47.580 align:middle line:84% and they become a community that you can depend on. 00:54:47.580 --> 00:54:50.670 align:middle line:84% You can have those artists or those curators 00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:52.275 align:middle line:84% that you went to school with come over 00:54:52.275 --> 00:54:54.150 align:middle line:84% and talk to you about what you're working on. 00:54:54.150 --> 00:54:59.760 align:middle line:84% You don't have the luxury of being in school anymore 00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:02.875 align:middle line:84% and having just direct input from other people. 00:55:02.875 --> 00:55:05.570 align:middle line:90% 00:55:05.570 --> 00:55:09.380 align:middle line:84% The longevity thing is super hard, especially for-- 00:55:09.380 --> 00:55:11.210 align:middle line:84% I went to community college, then 00:55:11.210 --> 00:55:14.450 align:middle line:84% I transferred to Kent State, then I got my graduate degree. 00:55:14.450 --> 00:55:19.160 align:middle line:84% I don't have a big well of money like a lot of artists 00:55:19.160 --> 00:55:22.910 align:middle line:84% do to pull from when they just want to make some art 00:55:22.910 --> 00:55:24.025 align:middle line:90% and kick back. 00:55:24.025 --> 00:55:25.400 align:middle line:84% I don't have that luxury, and I'm 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.180 align:middle line:84% assuming if you're at a community college, 00:55:27.180 --> 00:55:30.270 align:middle line:90% you're like me. 00:55:30.270 --> 00:55:33.140 align:middle line:84% You, again, need your peer group. 00:55:33.140 --> 00:55:36.210 align:middle line:84% Do whatever you can to make your work, 00:55:36.210 --> 00:55:38.270 align:middle line:84% even if it's just getting shit off the ground 00:55:38.270 --> 00:55:40.670 align:middle line:90% like I was doing. 00:55:40.670 --> 00:55:41.930 align:middle line:90% Use your friends. 00:55:41.930 --> 00:55:45.320 align:middle line:84% When I lost my galleries, my other artist friends and I 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.690 align:middle line:84% got together and got a space, put on a few shows. 00:55:47.690 --> 00:55:52.580 align:middle line:84% It didn't last forever, but it keeps you motivated 00:55:52.580 --> 00:55:57.427 align:middle line:84% and it keeps you active and you create the art world then. 00:55:57.427 --> 00:55:59.510 align:middle line:84% And I think that's where the longevity comes from, 00:55:59.510 --> 00:56:03.183 align:middle line:84% because you can't depend on a gallery to do that for you. 00:56:03.183 --> 00:56:04.100 align:middle line:90% It's just too flighty. 00:56:04.100 --> 00:56:08.240 align:middle line:90% 00:56:08.240 --> 00:56:11.360 align:middle line:84% And try not to get discouraged, because it's 00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:15.560 align:middle line:84% a very difficult profession, if you want 00:56:15.560 --> 00:56:17.540 align:middle line:90% to even call it a professional. 00:56:17.540 --> 00:56:21.360 align:middle line:84% Life practice is probably more accurate. 00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.440 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:24.730 align:middle line:90% That's great. 00:56:24.730 --> 00:56:26.355 align:middle line:90% So a comment from Cindy Reem. 00:56:26.355 --> 00:56:27.730 align:middle line:84% "Thank you for sharing your work. 00:56:27.730 --> 00:56:31.570 align:middle line:84% I love your use of humor and materials." 00:56:31.570 --> 00:56:33.490 align:middle line:84% And I appreciate your remarks about longevity. 00:56:33.490 --> 00:56:36.910 align:middle line:84% I think it's interesting that you've had multiple spaces, 00:56:36.910 --> 00:56:37.720 align:middle line:90% right? 00:56:37.720 --> 00:56:40.060 align:middle line:84% Currently you still have The Yard, 00:56:40.060 --> 00:56:44.240 align:middle line:90% which I assume is in your yard? 00:56:44.240 --> 00:56:44.740 align:middle line:90% Front yard. 00:56:44.740 --> 00:56:49.015 align:middle line:84% Oh, that's what-- Andy, that was where my focus shifted. 00:56:49.015 --> 00:56:53.360 align:middle line:90% 00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:55.580 align:middle line:84% Not that I like going to see shows, 00:56:55.580 --> 00:56:57.110 align:middle line:84% it's not my favorite thing to do. 00:56:57.110 --> 00:56:59.222 align:middle line:84% My husband's like, you're almost allergic to going 00:56:59.222 --> 00:57:00.680 align:middle line:84% to look at art unless it's somebody 00:57:00.680 --> 00:57:02.280 align:middle line:90% you know you want to see. 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:03.410 align:middle line:90% I was like God, yeah. 00:57:03.410 --> 00:57:07.550 align:middle line:84% But we have this space and the front yard 00:57:07.550 --> 00:57:10.700 align:middle line:84% and no one was going to see shows and I thought, 00:57:10.700 --> 00:57:13.400 align:middle line:84% I know so many artists that are not showing their work. 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:14.990 align:middle line:90% Let's just show it in The Yard. 00:57:14.990 --> 00:57:17.930 align:middle line:90% People could drive by, why not? 00:57:17.930 --> 00:57:19.400 align:middle line:84% And then it turned into this thing. 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:21.608 align:middle line:84% But as soon as the weather kind of got a little worse 00:57:21.608 --> 00:57:25.790 align:middle line:84% we put a pause on it and I still haven't opened it 00:57:25.790 --> 00:57:28.790 align:middle line:84% up for this summer yet, but we'll probably do 00:57:28.790 --> 00:57:30.410 align:middle line:90% at least another summer. 00:57:30.410 --> 00:57:32.480 align:middle line:84% So that is one thing, Andy, that kind of 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.920 align:middle line:84% shifted where I put more concentration into showing 00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:44.750 align:middle line:84% people's work and it is a way to keep involved. 00:57:44.750 --> 00:57:47.240 align:middle line:84% Like you're saying Rebecca, to kind of keep your foot in. 00:57:47.240 --> 00:57:52.310 align:middle line:84% And I'm not a trained curator but when 00:57:52.310 --> 00:57:53.780 align:middle line:84% I had a space when I was younger, 00:57:53.780 --> 00:57:56.300 align:middle line:84% it was more about people who I liked, 00:57:56.300 --> 00:57:58.850 align:middle line:84% who made good work that was sincere that 00:57:58.850 --> 00:58:00.440 align:middle line:90% didn't have a space to show. 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:02.090 align:middle line:84% And if I had a space, that work was 00:58:02.090 --> 00:58:05.510 align:middle line:84% going to get put up and seen because that's 00:58:05.510 --> 00:58:11.460 align:middle line:84% what you need to kind of stay into it, I guess. 00:58:11.460 --> 00:58:13.180 align:middle line:84% It's not even about the money, it's 00:58:13.180 --> 00:58:15.360 align:middle line:90% about having your work be seen. 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.930 align:middle line:90% It's so fulfilling. 00:58:16.930 --> 00:58:18.392 align:middle line:90% That's why we make it. 00:58:18.392 --> 00:58:18.892 align:middle line:90% You know? 00:58:18.892 --> 00:58:21.430 align:middle line:90% 00:58:21.430 --> 00:58:24.730 align:middle line:84% Well, thank you so much for your generosity and time today, Amy. 00:58:24.730 --> 00:58:28.990 align:middle line:84% Please keep poking at good taste. 00:58:28.990 --> 00:58:31.540 align:middle line:90% We all enjoy it a great deal. 00:58:31.540 --> 00:58:34.570 align:middle line:84% And we're grateful to spend time with you today 00:58:34.570 --> 00:58:38.220 align:middle line:84% and hopefully you all can join us next time. 00:58:38.220 --> 00:58:38.970 align:middle line:90% So thanks so much. 00:58:38.970 --> 00:58:41.530 align:middle line:84% Roman will put a couple links in the chat 00:58:41.530 --> 00:58:46.030 align:middle line:84% and we hope to see you next time and everybody take good care. 00:58:46.030 --> 00:58:47.190 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:58:47.190 --> 00:58:47.925 align:middle line:90% Thanks. 00:58:47.925 --> 00:58:49.770 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Jamie. 00:58:49.770 --> 00:59:01.000 align:middle line:90%