WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.437 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:00:03.437 --> 00:00:10.820 align:middle line:90% 00:00:10.820 --> 00:00:11.510 align:middle line:90% Welcome. 00:00:11.510 --> 00:00:13.520 align:middle line:84% Thank you for joining us at today's program 00:00:13.520 --> 00:00:16.490 align:middle line:84% featuring artist, curator, and art therapist Nicole 00:00:16.490 --> 00:00:19.460 align:middle line:84% Rademacher presented as part of the Wignall Museum's Home 00:00:19.460 --> 00:00:22.230 align:middle line:84% Edition, a series of curated artists talks, 00:00:22.230 --> 00:00:24.140 align:middle line:84% workshops, and discussions featuring 00:00:24.140 --> 00:00:26.250 align:middle line:90% artists and cultural workers. 00:00:26.250 --> 00:00:27.410 align:middle line:90% My name is Rebecca Trawick. 00:00:27.410 --> 00:00:30.380 align:middle line:84% I'm the director and curator of the Wignall Museum. 00:00:30.380 --> 00:00:32.180 align:middle line:84% The Wignall Museum is a teaching museum 00:00:32.180 --> 00:00:35.690 align:middle line:84% and interdisciplinary art space that introduces 性视界 00:00:35.690 --> 00:00:39.140 align:middle line:84% students, faculty, staff, and community members 00:00:39.140 --> 00:00:42.330 align:middle line:84% to innovative contemporary art objects and ideas. 00:00:42.330 --> 00:00:46.080 align:middle line:84% By fostering critical thinking, visual literacy, discourse, 00:00:46.080 --> 00:00:48.290 align:middle line:84% and empathy, the museum seeks to enhance 00:00:48.290 --> 00:00:51.960 align:middle line:84% the intellectual and cultural life of our community. 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:54.500 align:middle line:84% We want to take a moment to recognize that we are situated 00:00:54.500 --> 00:00:57.830 align:middle line:84% on the Rancho Cucamonga campus of 性视界, which 00:00:57.830 --> 00:01:00.650 align:middle line:84% resides on the traditional and unceded lands of the Tongva 00:01:00.650 --> 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00:02:01.990 align:middle line:84% In a moment, Nicole will be presenting for about a half 00:02:01.990 --> 00:02:02.710 align:middle line:90% an hour. 00:02:02.710 --> 00:02:04.870 align:middle line:84% The remaining time will be available for questions 00:02:04.870 --> 00:02:06.890 align:middle line:90% and discussion. 00:02:06.890 --> 00:02:09.039 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:09.770 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Roman. 00:02:09.770 --> 00:02:13.090 align:middle line:84% So today, we're pleased to introduce Nicole Rademacher. 00:02:13.090 --> 00:02:15.850 align:middle line:84% Nicole is a Los Angeles-based artist and art 00:02:15.850 --> 00:02:19.090 align:middle line:84% therapist and a marriage and family therapist. 00:02:19.090 --> 00:02:21.430 align:middle line:84% The influence of her adoption and reunion 00:02:21.430 --> 00:02:24.070 align:middle line:84% with her biological family feature prominently 00:02:24.070 --> 00:02:27.190 align:middle line:84% in her studio practice, where she explores concepts 00:02:27.190 --> 00:02:30.730 align:middle line:84% of intimacy, identity, and belonging through visual work, 00:02:30.730 --> 00:02:34.120 align:middle line:84% as well as in community engagement works. 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.290 align:middle line:84% Rademacher holds an MFA from Alfred University and a BFA 00:02:38.290 --> 00:02:41.570 align:middle line:84% from the School of the Art Institute of Chicago. 00:02:41.570 --> 00:02:45.490 align:middle line:84% She recently completed her MA at LMU in the Marital and Family 00:02:45.490 --> 00:02:48.820 align:middle line:84% Therapy program with specialization in clinical art 00:02:48.820 --> 00:02:50.230 align:middle line:90% therapy. 00:02:50.230 --> 00:02:52.450 align:middle line:84% Rademacher is the founder and director 00:02:52.450 --> 00:02:56.500 align:middle line:84% of the intimate project space Acogedor, which translates 00:02:56.500 --> 00:02:58.580 align:middle line:90% to "cozy" in English. 00:02:58.580 --> 00:03:02.080 align:middle line:84% She has collaborated and shown work widely, both nationally 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.600 align:middle line:84% and internationally, and she is the recipient 00:03:04.600 --> 00:03:07.420 align:middle line:84% of a number of artist residencies and grants. 00:03:07.420 --> 00:03:09.370 align:middle line:84% I had the pleasure of participating 00:03:09.370 --> 00:03:11.650 align:middle line:84% in a virtual workshop for adult adoptees 00:03:11.650 --> 00:03:14.590 align:middle line:84% in the last year with Nicole that she developed 00:03:14.590 --> 00:03:17.090 align:middle line:84% and facilitated, and it was really amazing. 00:03:17.090 --> 00:03:19.810 align:middle line:84% So I'm delighted to welcome Nicole to the Wignall Museum 00:03:19.810 --> 00:03:21.740 align:middle line:90% today to share with us. 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:25.150 align:middle line:84% Please join me in giving Nicole a warm virtual welcome. 00:03:25.150 --> 00:03:27.280 align:middle line:90% Nicole, the platform is yours. 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.910 align:middle line:90% 00:03:30.910 --> 00:03:32.310 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much, Rebecca. 00:03:32.310 --> 00:03:34.680 align:middle line:84% And thank you to 性视界 College and to Roman 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.420 align:middle line:84% and to everyone involved in the organization of this event. 00:03:37.420 --> 00:03:40.320 align:middle line:84% I'm really excited to be here and share 00:03:40.320 --> 00:03:43.380 align:middle line:84% some old work and some new work and talk 00:03:43.380 --> 00:03:46.960 align:middle line:90% a little bit about my journey. 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:47.890 align:middle line:90% I am an artist. 00:03:47.890 --> 00:03:52.350 align:middle line:84% I'm a reunited adoptee, as Rebecca also talked about, 00:03:52.350 --> 00:03:53.520 align:middle line:90% and an art therapist. 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:57.030 align:middle line:84% Reunited adoptee means that I have reunited 00:03:57.030 --> 00:03:58.260 align:middle line:90% with my biological family. 00:03:58.260 --> 00:04:01.630 align:middle line:84% And in my case, my biological family is intact, 00:04:01.630 --> 00:04:04.618 align:middle line:84% meaning that both of my biological parents 00:04:04.618 --> 00:04:05.160 align:middle line:90% were married. 00:04:05.160 --> 00:04:07.545 align:middle line:84% And so I also have two full younger brothers. 00:04:07.545 --> 00:04:11.050 align:middle line:90% 00:04:11.050 --> 00:04:13.540 align:middle line:84% My adoption and reunion with my biological family 00:04:13.540 --> 00:04:15.482 align:middle line:84% feature prominently in my studio practice, 00:04:15.482 --> 00:04:17.440 align:middle line:84% where I explore concepts of intimacy, identity, 00:04:17.440 --> 00:04:20.740 align:middle line:84% and belonging, as Rebecca had mentioned. 00:04:20.740 --> 00:04:22.935 align:middle line:84% And I've collaborated and shown work nationally 00:04:22.935 --> 00:04:26.750 align:middle line:84% and internationally on all six continents. 00:04:26.750 --> 00:04:28.780 align:middle line:90% So I have the MFA and BFA. 00:04:28.780 --> 00:04:32.860 align:middle line:84% And I'm an associate marriage and family therapist, 00:04:32.860 --> 00:04:35.440 align:middle line:84% which means I've graduated and I'm on my way to licensure. 00:04:35.440 --> 00:04:37.330 align:middle line:90% And I'm also an art therapist. 00:04:37.330 --> 00:04:39.840 align:middle line:90% 00:04:39.840 --> 00:04:42.390 align:middle line:84% I'm going to share some selected video projects with you. 00:04:42.390 --> 00:04:44.580 align:middle line:90% So as a multi-ethnic adoptee-- 00:04:44.580 --> 00:04:46.860 align:middle line:84% so my biological father is Mexican, 00:04:46.860 --> 00:04:50.850 align:middle line:84% and my biological mother is Caucasian, from Milwaukee, 00:04:50.850 --> 00:04:53.910 align:middle line:84% and my dad's from Monterrey, Mexico-- 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:56.550 align:middle line:84% I've spent my life carefully observing family. 00:04:56.550 --> 00:05:00.060 align:middle line:84% I consider material such as gesture, space, 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:04.050 align:middle line:84% and object cultural artifacts of communication. 00:05:04.050 --> 00:05:06.540 align:middle line:84% In my practice, I use the relationship video 00:05:06.540 --> 00:05:10.650 align:middle line:84% has to time in our experience of reality through imagery. 00:05:10.650 --> 00:05:12.420 align:middle line:84% I personally gather footage, often 00:05:12.420 --> 00:05:14.190 align:middle line:84% finding subjects during the process. 00:05:14.190 --> 00:05:17.190 align:middle line:84% I then select visual components to activate, 00:05:17.190 --> 00:05:19.560 align:middle line:84% meticulously manipulating the imagery 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.890 align:middle line:84% through stretching, compressing, juxtaposing, cutting, 00:05:22.890 --> 00:05:24.270 align:middle line:90% and repeating. 00:05:24.270 --> 00:05:27.180 align:middle line:84% I speculate on the meaning of ordinary movements, 00:05:27.180 --> 00:05:29.520 align:middle line:84% proximity of family members, and relationships 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:31.350 align:middle line:84% with space and objects as a method 00:05:31.350 --> 00:05:35.280 align:middle line:84% of describing alienation, belonging, intimacy, 00:05:35.280 --> 00:05:36.450 align:middle line:90% and protection. 00:05:36.450 --> 00:05:39.050 align:middle line:90% 00:05:39.050 --> 00:05:43.670 align:middle line:84% So You are a Perpetual Tourist was finished in 2008. 00:05:43.670 --> 00:05:45.950 align:middle line:84% And so you'll notice, kind of, the antiquated size 00:05:45.950 --> 00:05:47.120 align:middle line:90% of the video. 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.150 align:middle line:84% It's a series of 63 short and micro 00:05:50.150 --> 00:05:51.740 align:middle line:84% experimental documentaries exploring 00:05:51.740 --> 00:05:53.930 align:middle line:84% ideas of longing and distance between children 00:05:53.930 --> 00:05:56.090 align:middle line:84% and adult family members in a public space 00:05:56.090 --> 00:05:58.100 align:middle line:90% as expressed through gesture. 00:05:58.100 --> 00:06:02.270 align:middle line:84% And I cite this as kind of the first body of work 00:06:02.270 --> 00:06:09.710 align:middle line:84% where I'm really looking at that visual space between family 00:06:09.710 --> 00:06:15.230 align:middle line:84% members and really thinking about how we interact 00:06:15.230 --> 00:06:17.465 align:middle line:84% with people who are related to us 00:06:17.465 --> 00:06:20.390 align:middle line:84% or who we're familiar with-- intimately familiar with. 00:06:20.390 --> 00:06:23.570 align:middle line:84% The footage was gathered over four years in Tucson, Chicago, 00:06:23.570 --> 00:06:26.090 align:middle line:84% New York, Panama Canal, Panama City Airport, 00:06:26.090 --> 00:06:29.480 align:middle line:84% Valparaiso in Chile, Vi帽a del Mar in Chile, 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:31.835 align:middle line:84% Mendozo in Argentina, and Buenos Aires and Miami. 00:06:31.835 --> 00:06:34.980 align:middle line:90% 00:06:34.980 --> 00:06:39.190 align:middle line:84% So this is a documentation of the installation. 00:06:39.190 --> 00:06:42.200 align:middle line:90% So it's single channel. 00:06:42.200 --> 00:06:43.970 align:middle line:90% And here are some videos stills. 00:06:43.970 --> 00:06:59.340 align:middle line:90% 00:06:59.340 --> 00:07:02.160 align:middle line:84% And then, I'm going to play this video, which was actually 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:07.530 align:middle line:84% featured in many different film festivals and video art 00:07:07.530 --> 00:07:10.488 align:middle line:90% festivals. 00:07:10.488 --> 00:07:12.456 align:middle line:90% [VIDEO PLAYBACK] 00:07:12.456 --> 00:07:15.900 align:middle line:90% [ENGINE RUMBLING] 00:07:15.900 --> 00:07:18.370 align:middle line:90% [VOICES, TRAFFIC NOISES] 00:07:18.370 --> 00:07:24.410 align:middle line:90% - [SPEAKING SPANISH] 00:07:24.410 --> 00:07:26.890 align:middle line:90% - [COUGHS] 00:07:26.890 --> 00:07:35.818 align:middle line:90% 00:07:35.818 --> 00:07:37.802 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] 00:07:37.802 --> 00:07:42.762 align:middle line:90% 00:07:42.762 --> 00:07:46.234 align:middle line:90% - [SPEAKING SPANISH] 00:07:46.234 --> 00:08:03.098 align:middle line:90% 00:08:03.098 --> 00:08:04.586 align:middle line:90% [END PLAYBACK] 00:08:04.586 --> 00:08:14.090 align:middle line:90% 00:08:14.090 --> 00:08:17.120 align:middle line:84% The next piece I want to share is called Potential Spaces. 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.010 align:middle line:84% It's a projected video installation 00:08:19.010 --> 00:08:23.330 align:middle line:84% investigating space between members of bicultural couples. 00:08:23.330 --> 00:08:26.960 align:middle line:84% This footage was shot between 2010 and 2013. 00:08:26.960 --> 00:08:30.170 align:middle line:84% They're artifacts-- I'm looking at the space as artifacts 00:08:30.170 --> 00:08:33.600 align:middle line:84% of amalgamated personal culture, referencing the principle 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:35.090 align:middle line:90% of potential energy in physics. 00:08:35.090 --> 00:08:38.150 align:middle line:84% Potential Spaces consider space as a field of action 00:08:38.150 --> 00:08:42.659 align:middle line:84% while simultaneously making action possible. 00:08:42.659 --> 00:08:43.890 align:middle line:90% So here's a video still. 00:08:43.890 --> 00:08:45.890 align:middle line:84% And then I'm going to play some of this excerpt. 00:08:45.890 --> 00:11:09.970 align:middle line:90% 00:11:09.970 --> 00:11:12.490 align:middle line:84% And the last video piece that I want to share with you 00:11:12.490 --> 00:11:14.620 align:middle line:90% is called Gate Pass. 00:11:14.620 --> 00:11:18.070 align:middle line:84% So it explores the correlations between-- 00:11:18.070 --> 00:11:20.800 align:middle line:84% or explored, I guess, I should have done past tense 00:11:20.800 --> 00:11:21.460 align:middle line:90% with that-- 00:11:21.460 --> 00:11:24.040 align:middle line:84% correlations between private and public gestures 00:11:24.040 --> 00:11:26.290 align:middle line:84% of familial protection as interpreted 00:11:26.290 --> 00:11:28.840 align:middle line:84% through the fixture of home gates. 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.630 align:middle line:84% So I examined ideas of privacy and protection 00:11:31.630 --> 00:11:33.250 align:middle line:84% through interviews and observations 00:11:33.250 --> 00:11:36.280 align:middle line:84% of the people who lived behind or passed 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:39.580 align:middle line:84% through the gates in the central province of Kenya while 00:11:39.580 --> 00:11:42.730 align:middle line:84% on a three-month residency there. 00:11:42.730 --> 00:11:45.610 align:middle line:84% My research revealed a shared need for security 00:11:45.610 --> 00:11:48.700 align:middle line:84% and the lengths we go to to achieve a sense of safety 00:11:48.700 --> 00:11:50.410 align:middle line:90% and stability. 00:11:50.410 --> 00:11:53.170 align:middle line:84% Gate Pass documents these impeding physical boundaries 00:11:53.170 --> 00:11:54.920 align:middle line:90% through photography and video-- 00:11:54.920 --> 00:11:57.490 align:middle line:84% I'm just going to show the video portion-- 00:11:57.490 --> 00:12:00.610 align:middle line:84% exploring the daily occurrences both inside and outside 00:12:00.610 --> 00:12:03.550 align:middle line:84% the gates while revealing connections 00:12:03.550 --> 00:12:07.510 align:middle line:84% of intimacy and formality, alienation and belonging, 00:12:07.510 --> 00:12:10.640 align:middle line:90% security and vulnerability. 00:12:10.640 --> 00:12:16.930 align:middle line:84% So this was installed at LAX for about six months in 2017. 00:12:16.930 --> 00:12:22.000 align:middle line:84% And one reason why I thought to have installed there 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.640 align:middle line:84% was to really create a dialogue with air travelers 00:12:25.640 --> 00:12:29.720 align:middle line:84% about security measures as a collective component of the air 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:32.180 align:middle line:84% travel experience and encouraging reflection 00:12:32.180 --> 00:12:34.670 align:middle line:84% on issues of trust and protection. 00:12:34.670 --> 00:12:38.930 align:middle line:84% I have a feeling that if I had done this piece now, 00:12:38.930 --> 00:12:42.770 align:middle line:84% after we're dealing with a lot of safety and protection 00:12:42.770 --> 00:12:47.450 align:middle line:84% through the pandemic, that it would look quite different. 00:12:47.450 --> 00:12:49.150 align:middle line:90% Here's the installation shot. 00:12:49.150 --> 00:12:53.539 align:middle line:90% And I'll play a small excerpt. 00:12:53.539 --> 00:12:55.036 align:middle line:90% [VIDEO PLAYBACK] 00:12:55.036 --> 00:12:59.028 align:middle line:90% [CHILDREN SHOUTING IN DISTANCE] 00:12:59.028 --> 00:14:04.896 align:middle line:90% 00:14:04.896 --> 00:14:07.890 align:middle line:90% [BABY CRYING IN DISTANCE] 00:14:07.890 --> 00:15:24.237 align:middle line:90% 00:15:24.237 --> 00:15:27.730 align:middle line:90% [END PLAYBACK] 00:15:27.730 --> 00:15:35.470 align:middle line:90% 00:15:35.470 --> 00:15:40.720 align:middle line:84% And now, I want to share two different adoptee-focused 00:15:40.720 --> 00:15:43.390 align:middle line:84% projects where it's less about me 00:15:43.390 --> 00:15:46.330 align:middle line:84% kind of observing and understanding 00:15:46.330 --> 00:15:50.950 align:middle line:84% how family members relate to one another and more about really 00:15:50.950 --> 00:15:54.310 align:middle line:84% delving directly into the experience as an adoptee. 00:15:54.310 --> 00:15:57.940 align:middle line:90% 00:15:57.940 --> 00:16:00.280 align:middle line:84% The first is called Origin Stories. 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:03.190 align:middle line:84% It's a community-based project explaining 00:16:03.190 --> 00:16:07.210 align:middle line:84% concepts of identity, isolation, assimilation, difference, 00:16:07.210 --> 00:16:08.170 align:middle line:90% and family. 00:16:08.170 --> 00:16:10.450 align:middle line:84% The project documents a multi-year process 00:16:10.450 --> 00:16:12.580 align:middle line:84% conducted with marginalized communities in Southern 00:16:12.580 --> 00:16:14.200 align:middle line:90% California and Iowa. 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.320 align:middle line:84% Originally designed to empower adopted and fostered people 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.600 align:middle line:84% to record their unique histories, 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.120 align:middle line:84% this two-hour workshop invited participants 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:25.870 align:middle line:84% to work in groups to create a story using visual prompts. 00:16:25.870 --> 00:16:29.590 align:middle line:84% The stories are shared with the entire cohort of participants. 00:16:29.590 --> 00:16:32.140 align:middle line:84% Then, individually, each participant 00:16:32.140 --> 00:16:34.810 align:middle line:84% created at least one card by their drawing, tracing, 00:16:34.810 --> 00:16:38.020 align:middle line:84% a collage, or other two-dimensional way 00:16:38.020 --> 00:16:40.630 align:middle line:84% that visually illustrates something 00:16:40.630 --> 00:16:43.200 align:middle line:84% from the collective story, so a character, a plot, 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:45.560 align:middle line:84% a resolution, a problem along the way. 00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:47.910 align:middle line:84% So they worked in groups and then worked individually. 00:16:47.910 --> 00:16:50.420 align:middle line:90% 00:16:50.420 --> 00:16:52.990 align:middle line:84% So, as mentioned, the first workshops 00:16:52.990 --> 00:16:57.500 align:middle line:84% were presented only to adoptees and fostered people. 00:16:57.500 --> 00:17:00.130 align:middle line:84% I later expanded it to artists, particularly 00:17:00.130 --> 00:17:03.130 align:middle line:84% female-identifying artists and artists who feel marginalized, 00:17:03.130 --> 00:17:05.575 align:middle line:84% and then also to the general public. 00:17:05.575 --> 00:17:07.450 align:middle line:84% Additionally, other workshops in Los Angeles, 00:17:07.450 --> 00:17:10.150 align:middle line:84% I invited co-facilitators who were not adoptees 00:17:10.150 --> 00:17:12.280 align:middle line:84% but told their own origin stories 00:17:12.280 --> 00:17:14.650 align:middle line:84% as they related to social belonging that 00:17:14.650 --> 00:17:16.750 align:middle line:84% may intersect with their social positions 00:17:16.750 --> 00:17:19.960 align:middle line:84% in the society, so an immigrant identity, queer, 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.390 align:middle line:90% ethnic minority, et cetera. 00:17:22.390 --> 00:17:24.940 align:middle line:84% The cards created in the workshop reflected not only 00:17:24.940 --> 00:17:27.730 align:middle line:84% remembered and imagined pasts but also stories that 00:17:27.730 --> 00:17:29.890 align:middle line:84% have been passed down in their birth, 00:17:29.890 --> 00:17:31.797 align:middle line:84% adopted, or chosen families, stories 00:17:31.797 --> 00:17:33.880 align:middle line:84% that have been whispered from one woman to another 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:35.560 align:middle line:90% and imagined futures. 00:17:35.560 --> 00:17:38.320 align:middle line:84% Each card became part of another deck that was then printed 00:17:38.320 --> 00:17:42.520 align:middle line:90% and used in future workshops. 00:17:42.520 --> 00:17:46.360 align:middle line:84% So here is documentation of installation 00:17:46.360 --> 00:17:47.467 align:middle line:90% of some of the cards. 00:17:47.467 --> 00:17:48.800 align:middle line:90% So these are the original cards. 00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:58.040 align:middle line:90% 00:17:58.040 --> 00:18:00.530 align:middle line:84% And then here are some examples of the different cards. 00:18:00.530 --> 00:18:03.980 align:middle line:84% Some of these were made by foster or adoptees, and some 00:18:03.980 --> 00:18:06.710 align:middle line:84% of them by general public or artists. 00:18:06.710 --> 00:18:09.740 align:middle line:84% But they use lots of different ways of expression. 00:18:09.740 --> 00:18:15.230 align:middle line:90% 00:18:15.230 --> 00:18:16.880 align:middle line:84% And then, here are some documentation 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:21.130 align:middle line:84% from the invited co-facilitators telling their own stories. 00:18:21.130 --> 00:18:24.030 align:middle line:90% This is Chelo Montoya. 00:18:24.030 --> 00:18:29.010 align:middle line:84% She is an artist and also organizer in Artivists 00:18:29.010 --> 00:18:32.640 align:middle line:90% in the Los Angeles area. 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.600 align:middle line:84% Here are some of the groups of people 00:18:36.600 --> 00:18:39.240 align:middle line:90% interpreting the stories. 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.440 align:middle line:84% They look like tarot cards or inspirational cards. 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:46.320 align:middle line:90% 00:18:46.320 --> 00:18:48.120 align:middle line:84% And here again, they've laid out the cards 00:18:48.120 --> 00:18:50.380 align:middle line:84% and are creating the story together. 00:18:50.380 --> 00:18:54.623 align:middle line:90% 00:18:54.623 --> 00:18:56.165 align:middle line:84% And here, they're making their cards. 00:18:56.165 --> 00:19:06.700 align:middle line:90% 00:19:06.700 --> 00:19:08.350 align:middle line:84% And then, here is a picture of me 00:19:08.350 --> 00:19:12.340 align:middle line:84% with Bitter Party, which was the last co-facilitator when 00:19:12.340 --> 00:19:13.780 align:middle line:90% I did this at 18th Street. 00:19:13.780 --> 00:19:17.235 align:middle line:90% And they're a ghost pop band. 00:19:17.235 --> 00:19:22.540 align:middle line:90% 00:19:22.540 --> 00:19:26.290 align:middle line:84% So Being Adopted is a project, as it says, is ongoing. 00:19:26.290 --> 00:19:28.180 align:middle line:90% I started it in 2019. 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:33.850 align:middle line:84% It asks the question, as an adult adoptee, what three words 00:19:33.850 --> 00:19:39.070 align:middle line:84% would you choose to describe your experience, your adoption 00:19:39.070 --> 00:19:39.980 align:middle line:90% experience? 00:19:39.980 --> 00:19:43.960 align:middle line:84% And so I created this forum where people will go to. 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:46.540 align:middle line:90% Everything is confidential. 00:19:46.540 --> 00:19:48.520 align:middle line:84% People put in a name if they want 00:19:48.520 --> 00:19:50.800 align:middle line:84% or anonymous or however they want 00:19:50.800 --> 00:19:58.900 align:middle line:90% to habit the data kind of mart, 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:03.835 align:middle line:84% And then, I would create these index cards with their names. 00:20:03.835 --> 00:20:05.890 align:middle line:90% So like, this is Alison, Louise. 00:20:05.890 --> 00:20:09.610 align:middle line:84% We also have Anonymous up here, Anonyme from France. 00:20:09.610 --> 00:20:12.100 align:middle line:84% I asked what country they lived in, 00:20:12.100 --> 00:20:14.890 align:middle line:84% just to get a little bit more demographics. 00:20:14.890 --> 00:20:19.070 align:middle line:90% 00:20:19.070 --> 00:20:24.290 align:middle line:84% So, so far, I've had 239 people respond, 00:20:24.290 --> 00:20:28.870 align:middle line:84% representing 16 countries and 352 distinct words used. 00:20:28.870 --> 00:20:31.430 align:middle line:84% So this was launched in November of 2019, 00:20:31.430 --> 00:20:36.512 align:middle line:84% and I actually just got a new response 00:20:36.512 --> 00:20:37.720 align:middle line:90% like a week or something ago. 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:39.580 align:middle line:90% So they're trickling in now. 00:20:39.580 --> 00:20:42.580 align:middle line:84% But in the beginning, there was a big push for it. 00:20:42.580 --> 00:20:48.685 align:middle line:84% And then you can see the actual digital installation here. 00:20:48.685 --> 00:20:54.180 align:middle line:90% 00:20:54.180 --> 00:21:05.580 align:middle line:84% So here's the index card that's then matched with the words 00:21:05.580 --> 00:21:06.435 align:middle line:90% that she chose. 00:21:06.435 --> 00:21:09.390 align:middle line:90% 00:21:09.390 --> 00:21:11.540 align:middle line:90% And you can see all of them. 00:21:11.540 --> 00:21:28.250 align:middle line:90% 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:31.790 align:middle line:84% Alone and lonely were big words that were used. 00:21:31.790 --> 00:21:36.530 align:middle line:84% I think those were the biggest words that 00:21:36.530 --> 00:21:42.650 align:middle line:84% were used, if I'm not mistaken, or the most represented, 00:21:42.650 --> 00:21:44.400 align:middle line:84% I guess, would be a more appropriate term. 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.920 align:middle line:90% 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:51.250 align:middle line:84% And then, I want to finish with Acogedor. 00:21:51.250 --> 00:21:54.762 align:middle line:84% So as Rebecca mentioned, it means "cozy" in Spanish. 00:21:54.762 --> 00:21:56.220 align:middle line:84% And it's an intimate project space. 00:21:56.220 --> 00:22:00.670 align:middle line:84% It was originally in my front lawn. 00:22:00.670 --> 00:22:04.750 align:middle line:84% But now, we've moved things online. 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:06.610 align:middle line:90% So we've done Belonging panels. 00:22:06.610 --> 00:22:09.300 align:middle line:84% And then, this has started since COVID. 00:22:09.300 --> 00:22:11.800 align:middle line:84% I added a home exhibition, and then I did these Invisibility 00:22:11.800 --> 00:22:12.950 align:middle line:90% sessions. 00:22:12.950 --> 00:22:18.100 align:middle line:84% So I'm still making artwork, but a lot of my work as an artist 00:22:18.100 --> 00:22:22.630 align:middle line:84% has moved to community engagement in different ways. 00:22:22.630 --> 00:22:26.190 align:middle line:84% So I launched Acogedor as an alternative project space 00:22:26.190 --> 00:22:28.080 align:middle line:84% because I wanted to explore deeper-- 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:30.060 align:middle line:84% and outside of myself and my own ideas-- 00:22:30.060 --> 00:22:33.180 align:middle line:84% notions of belonging as I had been examining them 00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:35.400 align:middle line:90% in my art practice visually. 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:38.340 align:middle line:84% As an adopted person, I have spent a lot of time-- 00:22:38.340 --> 00:22:41.370 align:middle line:84% at least a small part of every day that I can remember-- 00:22:41.370 --> 00:22:44.010 align:middle line:84% thinking about and agonizing over my relationship 00:22:44.010 --> 00:22:45.150 align:middle line:90% to belonging. 00:22:45.150 --> 00:22:46.480 align:middle line:90% Do I belong? 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:48.240 align:middle line:90% Do I feel it? 00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:49.740 align:middle line:90% What does that feel like? 00:22:49.740 --> 00:22:51.330 align:middle line:90% Is it real? 00:22:51.330 --> 00:22:53.640 align:middle line:84% In my many conversations with other adoptees, 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.610 align:middle line:84% I hear these questions reflected back to me. 00:22:56.610 --> 00:22:59.100 align:middle line:84% I know in my heart that non-adopted persons also 00:22:59.100 --> 00:23:00.240 align:middle line:90% feel this. 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.070 align:middle line:84% Through these panels on belonging, 00:23:02.070 --> 00:23:05.490 align:middle line:84% I wanted to broaden my concept of belonging 00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:07.620 align:middle line:90% as the adoptee experience. 00:23:07.620 --> 00:23:11.010 align:middle line:84% I invited others whom I knew could speak to the entangled 00:23:11.010 --> 00:23:15.990 align:middle line:84% emotions and complex experiences of belonging and not belonging. 00:23:15.990 --> 00:23:22.457 align:middle line:84% So for the first belonging panel, I invited-- 00:23:22.457 --> 00:23:23.790 align:middle line:90% well, I'll just start with here. 00:23:23.790 --> 00:23:27.330 align:middle line:84% She's Zoomed in-- or I guess she's Skyped in, this was 00:23:27.330 --> 00:23:29.250 align:middle line:90% before Zoom was a big thing-- 00:23:29.250 --> 00:23:30.990 align:middle line:90% Angela Waseskuk. 00:23:30.990 --> 00:23:37.170 align:middle line:84% She's a Korean-American transracial adoptee 00:23:37.170 --> 00:23:39.270 align:middle line:90% in Iowa, also an artist. 00:23:39.270 --> 00:23:44.940 align:middle line:84% And then we have Dr. Umi Hsu, who is an ethnomusicologist 00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:47.410 align:middle line:90% and identifies as non-binary. 00:23:47.410 --> 00:23:51.420 align:middle line:84% And then, we have Debbie Allen, who is a black midwife. 00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:55.800 align:middle line:84% So we all discussed different ideas about belonging 00:23:55.800 --> 00:23:58.950 align:middle line:84% and when we don't belong in these different spaces, 00:23:58.950 --> 00:24:01.680 align:middle line:84% and particularly spaces that we should feel like we belong. 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.380 align:middle line:90% 00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:06.840 align:middle line:84% Next, we did belonging in tea, so 00:24:06.840 --> 00:24:10.170 align:middle line:84% using tea as this idea in different cultures 00:24:10.170 --> 00:24:13.680 align:middle line:84% where you come together, and you belong, 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:15.090 align:middle line:90% and you create community. 00:24:15.090 --> 00:24:19.570 align:middle line:90% 00:24:19.570 --> 00:24:21.820 align:middle line:84% Hsu was there again, and they guided us 00:24:21.820 --> 00:24:24.520 align:middle line:90% through a soundscape experience. 00:24:24.520 --> 00:24:31.630 align:middle line:90% 00:24:31.630 --> 00:24:33.730 align:middle line:90% And then Trey. 00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:38.110 align:middle line:84% They also had us do a writing reflection. 00:24:38.110 --> 00:24:46.560 align:middle line:90% 00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:52.410 align:middle line:84% So then, after that, I took a break. 00:24:52.410 --> 00:24:54.330 align:middle line:84% And I was about to do more programming, 00:24:54.330 --> 00:24:57.240 align:middle line:90% but then the pandemic hit. 00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.910 align:middle line:84% And it took me a couple months to realize, wait, 00:24:59.910 --> 00:25:01.350 align:middle line:90% why am I not doing programming? 00:25:01.350 --> 00:25:02.970 align:middle line:90% I can just do it online. 00:25:02.970 --> 00:25:08.760 align:middle line:84% I have the website, and I have a facility with digital. 00:25:08.760 --> 00:25:12.510 align:middle line:84% So I was interested in exploring the shifting nature of home 00:25:12.510 --> 00:25:16.200 align:middle line:84% during the pandemic, and Acogedor invited submissions 00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.270 align:middle line:84% from artists worldwide, across mediums. 00:25:18.270 --> 00:25:20.700 align:middle line:84% So artists who identify as BIPOC or from historically 00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:24.240 align:middle line:84% marginalized backgrounds were especially encouraged to apply. 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.620 align:middle line:84% All of the work in the exhibition 00:25:25.620 --> 00:25:27.390 align:middle line:84% was created during the quarantine, 00:25:27.390 --> 00:25:30.810 align:middle line:90% so since March 16, 2020. 00:25:30.810 --> 00:25:33.990 align:middle line:84% And I believe I closed the open call the first week 00:25:33.990 --> 00:25:36.030 align:middle line:90% of August 2020. 00:25:36.030 --> 00:25:38.340 align:middle line:84% So each artist examined their relationship 00:25:38.340 --> 00:25:42.690 align:middle line:84% to their abode, as well as the social isolation that ensued, 00:25:42.690 --> 00:25:46.550 align:middle line:84% with being confined to their residences. 00:25:46.550 --> 00:25:49.470 align:middle line:84% The lived experience of 42 artists spanning five countries 00:25:49.470 --> 00:25:52.170 align:middle line:84% were chosen to show and explore the diverse experiences 00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:56.280 align:middle line:84% that each of us was experiencing in this certainly 00:25:56.280 --> 00:25:58.090 align:middle line:90% bizarre new world. 00:25:58.090 --> 00:26:04.150 align:middle line:84% And so here, this was the first home page I made for-- 00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:05.760 align:middle line:90% well, I'll show you in a second. 00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:09.090 align:middle line:84% I found four different themes that we worked for, especially 00:26:09.090 --> 00:26:11.140 align:middle line:84% because there were so many different pieces. 00:26:11.140 --> 00:26:15.180 align:middle line:84% And so this was an animation with the corona. 00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:18.850 align:middle line:84% So that was our first home page for it. 00:26:18.850 --> 00:26:21.540 align:middle line:84% So I had Little Gestures, which is this one. 00:26:21.540 --> 00:26:25.050 align:middle line:84% So these pieces looked at gesture 00:26:25.050 --> 00:26:30.060 align:middle line:84% in different ways about their relationship to their home. 00:26:30.060 --> 00:26:33.090 align:middle line:84% And then, in this one, we looked at time, 00:26:33.090 --> 00:26:35.940 align:middle line:84% so different ways of experiencing or thinking 00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:36.630 align:middle line:90% about time. 00:26:36.630 --> 00:26:40.000 align:middle line:90% 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:41.980 align:middle line:84% And then, this is with Connections. 00:26:41.980 --> 00:26:44.920 align:middle line:84% So how are we making connections in your home? 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:47.710 align:middle line:84% How are you making connections during the pandemic? 00:26:47.710 --> 00:26:51.250 align:middle line:84% And then, the last one was the In-Between. 00:26:51.250 --> 00:26:52.365 align:middle line:90% So these different spaces. 00:26:52.365 --> 00:26:57.260 align:middle line:90% 00:26:57.260 --> 00:26:59.990 align:middle line:84% In addition to the exhibition, I also 00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:02.300 align:middle line:84% programmed five different artist talks. 00:27:02.300 --> 00:27:05.820 align:middle line:90% 00:27:05.820 --> 00:27:11.500 align:middle line:84% And I did them based on the themes. 00:27:11.500 --> 00:27:14.310 align:middle line:84% So the first one is actually for Little Gestures. 00:27:14.310 --> 00:27:17.455 align:middle line:84% And then there's one for Time, one for Connections, 00:27:17.455 --> 00:27:18.580 align:middle line:90% and one for the In-Between. 00:27:18.580 --> 00:27:19.913 align:middle line:90% So this was for Little Gestures. 00:27:19.913 --> 00:27:22.930 align:middle line:90% We had four. 00:27:22.930 --> 00:27:27.740 align:middle line:84% And then, there are also two ancillary events. 00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:33.190 align:middle line:84% So these, they were durational performances. 00:27:33.190 --> 00:27:35.980 align:middle line:84% So this, we had people sewing together. 00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:38.590 align:middle line:84% And we kind of deejayed the sound 00:27:38.590 --> 00:27:43.115 align:middle line:84% of the different sewing machines for about 15 minutes. 00:27:43.115 --> 00:27:46.990 align:middle line:90% 00:27:46.990 --> 00:27:50.145 align:middle line:84% And then, this one, people stayed as still 00:27:50.145 --> 00:27:55.540 align:middle line:84% as they could in their own spaces. 00:27:55.540 --> 00:27:59.392 align:middle line:84% And again, we video deejayed it, as far as, 00:27:59.392 --> 00:28:00.850 align:middle line:84% like, highlighting different people 00:28:00.850 --> 00:28:03.556 align:middle line:84% and then zooming back out and showing everybody. 00:28:03.556 --> 00:28:06.750 align:middle line:90% 00:28:06.750 --> 00:28:11.520 align:middle line:84% And then, as I had pretty good success 00:28:11.520 --> 00:28:15.240 align:middle line:84% with the home exhibition, I wanted 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:17.470 align:middle line:90% to continue on the momentum. 00:28:17.470 --> 00:28:20.040 align:middle line:84% And so I started programming these Invisibility 00:28:20.040 --> 00:28:21.900 align:middle line:84% conversations, exploring the idea 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:26.070 align:middle line:84% of being invisible in society or in family and the world. 00:28:26.070 --> 00:28:28.980 align:middle line:84% And it was really interesting for me 00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:34.170 align:middle line:90% to curate the programming. 00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:36.030 align:middle line:84% So I started doing it once a month. 00:28:36.030 --> 00:28:39.690 align:middle line:84% And I did it right after the home exhibition. 00:28:39.690 --> 00:28:43.050 align:middle line:84% So the first one was actually family and grief. 00:28:43.050 --> 00:28:45.960 align:middle line:84% And then, we did mental health stigma and immigration. 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.870 align:middle line:84% And then lastly, in December, we did body and body image. 00:28:48.870 --> 00:28:51.540 align:middle line:84% And I had programming actually scheduled all the way 00:28:51.540 --> 00:28:56.965 align:middle line:84% through May, I believe, but I had to take a hiatus. 00:28:56.965 --> 00:28:58.090 align:middle line:90% So it's really interesting. 00:28:58.090 --> 00:29:00.298 align:middle line:84% It's funny because here, I'm looking at mental health 00:29:00.298 --> 00:29:03.030 align:middle line:84% and stigma, when, actually, I wasn't paying attention 00:29:03.030 --> 00:29:06.120 align:middle line:90% to my own mental health. 00:29:06.120 --> 00:29:08.310 align:middle line:84% Because I have a diagnosis of bipolar, too. 00:29:08.310 --> 00:29:11.430 align:middle line:84% And I ended up having a mixed episode 00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:13.050 align:middle line:84% that stayed for a long time, probably 00:29:13.050 --> 00:29:14.890 align:middle line:90% because of the pandemic. 00:29:14.890 --> 00:29:17.580 align:middle line:84% And I knew that I couldn't really serve the community 00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:23.910 align:middle line:84% or be with people fully if I wasn't able to be by myself 00:29:23.910 --> 00:29:27.150 align:middle line:90% and be present and well. 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:29.040 align:middle line:90% So I took a hiatus. 00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:30.990 align:middle line:84% And it looks like we're coming back 00:29:30.990 --> 00:29:37.530 align:middle line:84% in July for another Invisibilities discussion. 00:29:37.530 --> 00:29:41.650 align:middle line:84% And this discussion will actually be with adoptees. 00:29:41.650 --> 00:29:44.830 align:middle line:90% So more to come on that. 00:29:44.830 --> 00:29:49.380 align:middle line:84% And then, here is my information. 00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:57.060 align:middle line:84% So my personal social media is @nicrrad, or @nicrrad. 00:29:57.060 --> 00:30:02.130 align:middle line:84% And then, Acogedor is A-C-O-G-E-D-O-R.space. 00:30:02.130 --> 00:30:04.500 align:middle line:84% And then, I also have one, which I'm not 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:06.870 align:middle line:84% doing very much right now, but I need to get back into. 00:30:06.870 --> 00:30:10.280 align:middle line:90% It's @msnicole.arttherapy. 00:30:10.280 --> 00:30:13.500 align:middle line:90% Any questions? 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:14.840 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Nicole. 00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:18.020 align:middle line:84% Really appreciate you sharing about your practice with us. 00:30:18.020 --> 00:30:22.400 align:middle line:84% I'd like to kick it off and just ask, I mean, obviously, 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:30.710 align:middle line:84% as an adult adoptee, adoption is a sort of interwoven 00:30:30.710 --> 00:30:33.110 align:middle line:84% consideration throughout your practice, 00:30:33.110 --> 00:30:35.660 align:middle line:84% something that you continually are sort of returning to, 00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:38.720 align:middle line:84% or it's a subtext, in some cases. 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.720 align:middle line:84% Have you ever considered creating work 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.360 align:middle line:90% about your personal experience? 00:30:44.360 --> 00:30:48.920 align:middle line:84% I think it's kind of a unique, interesting experience. 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.660 align:middle line:84% And if yes-- and you may not have-- but if yes, what 00:30:53.660 --> 00:30:57.500 align:middle line:84% are some of the obstacles that make you take pause about doing 00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:01.940 align:middle line:84% that kind of very inward-focused work? 00:31:01.940 --> 00:31:03.680 align:middle line:90% It's hard. 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:04.550 align:middle line:90% I did do one. 00:31:04.550 --> 00:31:06.920 align:middle line:84% And I actually have it right here. 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.410 align:middle line:84% And now, I can't remember what these things are called. 00:31:09.410 --> 00:31:11.160 align:middle line:84% But I worked with a friend of mine. 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.170 align:middle line:84% So here's a drawing of my biological family 00:31:15.170 --> 00:31:19.550 align:middle line:84% about the same year that I was this age. 00:31:19.550 --> 00:31:27.030 align:middle line:84% And so, if you flip it, then I kind of appear to be with them. 00:31:27.030 --> 00:31:29.010 align:middle line:84% So I didn't end up doing any more of these 00:31:29.010 --> 00:31:32.880 align:middle line:84% because it was hard to kind of match things up. 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.490 align:middle line:84% And it's mentally-- or emotionally, 00:31:36.490 --> 00:31:39.718 align:middle line:84% I guess, more than mentally-- really difficult. 00:31:39.718 --> 00:31:41.260 align:middle line:84% I'm trying to find my way back to it. 00:31:41.260 --> 00:31:43.228 align:middle line:84% I feel like that's just a sketch for something. 00:31:43.228 --> 00:31:44.520 align:middle line:90% Like, I thought it was a piece. 00:31:44.520 --> 00:31:46.395 align:middle line:84% But in the end, I feel like-- especially now, 00:31:46.395 --> 00:31:47.910 align:middle line:90% even showing it to you guys-- 00:31:47.910 --> 00:31:50.790 align:middle line:84% I feel like it's just a sketch for something. 00:31:50.790 --> 00:31:54.000 align:middle line:90% I'm not sure what it is. 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.790 align:middle line:84% But yeah, and then there's this thing, as an adoptee, 00:31:56.790 --> 00:31:58.410 align:middle line:90% of not wanting to-- 00:31:58.410 --> 00:32:01.590 align:middle line:84% especially because the family I grew up 00:32:01.590 --> 00:32:07.560 align:middle line:84% with is very supportive, and it's a good story. 00:32:07.560 --> 00:32:10.020 align:middle line:84% And the same with my biological family-- 00:32:10.020 --> 00:32:14.105 align:middle line:84% like, they're intact, and it's taken 16 years, but we're-- 00:32:14.105 --> 00:32:18.210 align:middle line:84% has it been 16? yeah, it's been 16 or something like that-- 00:32:18.210 --> 00:32:20.250 align:middle line:90% but we have a relationship. 00:32:20.250 --> 00:32:23.750 align:middle line:84% And so I don't want to offend anybody. 00:32:23.750 --> 00:32:27.080 align:middle line:84% You know, I'm a people pleaser because I'm an adoptee. 00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:32.130 align:middle line:90% 00:32:32.130 --> 00:32:34.410 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:32:34.410 --> 00:32:38.000 align:middle line:84% It makes me think of if you're an author, 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.620 align:middle line:84% and writing memoir can be really sticky. 00:32:42.620 --> 00:32:44.690 align:middle line:84% Because you're not only writing about yourself, 00:32:44.690 --> 00:32:48.630 align:middle line:84% you're writing about those closest to you, too. 00:32:48.630 --> 00:32:49.130 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:32:49.130 --> 00:32:54.450 align:middle line:84% And you want to make sure that you're treating them 00:32:54.450 --> 00:32:56.310 align:middle line:84% with respect but, at the same time, 00:32:56.310 --> 00:32:59.940 align:middle line:84% how are you then honest about your own experience? 00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:02.730 align:middle line:84% Is someone going to get offended that I was really 00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:06.130 align:middle line:90% hurt that they did this? 00:33:06.130 --> 00:33:09.000 align:middle line:84% I know a lot of adoptees don't even 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.568 align:middle line:84% search until their adoptive parents have passed. 00:33:11.568 --> 00:33:14.730 align:middle line:90% Right, yeah. 00:33:14.730 --> 00:33:17.970 align:middle line:90% Interesting. 00:33:17.970 --> 00:33:20.040 align:middle line:84% I also wanted to circle back to something. 00:33:20.040 --> 00:33:24.270 align:middle line:84% I loved the concept of imagined futures 00:33:24.270 --> 00:33:26.280 align:middle line:84% that you mentioned in the origin stories 00:33:26.280 --> 00:33:30.180 align:middle line:84% and that being sort of a focal point of that project. 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:32.490 align:middle line:84% And I want to bring that back to our folks who 00:33:32.490 --> 00:33:34.590 align:middle line:84% might watch this in the future, students who 00:33:34.590 --> 00:33:36.262 align:middle line:90% are attending 性视界, right? 00:33:36.262 --> 00:33:38.220 align:middle line:84% They're all imagining their own futures, right? 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:42.270 align:middle line:84% They're all trying to visualize what that might look like. 00:33:42.270 --> 00:33:44.850 align:middle line:84% Any advice for artists and creatives 00:33:44.850 --> 00:33:48.750 align:middle line:84% who are trying to plan and imagine their own futures? 00:33:48.750 --> 00:33:50.152 align:middle line:90% I know that's a big question. 00:33:50.152 --> 00:33:51.360 align:middle line:90% Yeah, that's a huge question. 00:33:51.360 --> 00:33:52.527 align:middle line:90% I'm like, God, I don't know. 00:33:52.527 --> 00:33:56.950 align:middle line:90% 00:33:56.950 --> 00:33:59.470 align:middle line:90% Be honest with yourself. 00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:03.190 align:middle line:84% I think that sometimes, I'm not honest with myself, 00:34:03.190 --> 00:34:06.800 align:middle line:90% and then, it catches me later. 00:34:06.800 --> 00:34:08.989 align:middle line:84% So I mean, I do need to follow my own advice. 00:34:08.989 --> 00:34:12.197 align:middle line:90% 00:34:12.197 --> 00:34:14.280 align:middle line:84% And I mean, it sounds so great-- do what you love. 00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:15.738 align:middle line:84% But at the same time, sometimes you 00:34:15.738 --> 00:34:24.110 align:middle line:84% need to do something else, too, to make it harder 00:34:24.110 --> 00:34:27.264 align:middle line:84% or push yourself, I guess, is more what I'm saying. 00:34:27.264 --> 00:34:30.350 align:middle line:84% It isn't always about doing just, oh, I love this, 00:34:30.350 --> 00:34:32.567 align:middle line:84% and this is amazing, and this really feeds me. 00:34:32.567 --> 00:34:33.525 align:middle line:90% But challenge yourself. 00:34:33.525 --> 00:34:36.190 align:middle line:90% 00:34:36.190 --> 00:34:37.000 align:middle line:90% Challenge yourself. 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.840 align:middle line:90% And what does that mean? 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.690 align:middle line:84% Are you only doing what you love because it's comfortable? 00:34:42.690 --> 00:34:44.909 align:middle line:84% And I guess that goes back to my whole, 00:34:44.909 --> 00:34:47.400 align:middle line:84% am I making work about my own personal experience 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.150 align:middle line:90% as an adoptee? 00:34:48.150 --> 00:34:50.310 align:middle line:84% Am I not making work about my personal experience 00:34:50.310 --> 00:34:52.469 align:middle line:84% as an adoptee because it's comfortable? 00:34:52.469 --> 00:34:59.200 align:middle line:90% 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:02.620 align:middle line:84% And it seems like you've been really busy 00:35:02.620 --> 00:35:06.370 align:middle line:84% in your professional life and studio during the pandemic. 00:35:06.370 --> 00:35:11.720 align:middle line:84% Where have you found your inspiration during this time? 00:35:11.720 --> 00:35:15.540 align:middle line:90% Inspiration-- to keep going? 00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:16.620 align:middle line:90% To not be-- 00:35:16.620 --> 00:35:27.903 align:middle line:90% 00:35:27.903 --> 00:35:29.320 align:middle line:84% I feel like I'm on the right path. 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:30.690 align:middle line:90% I feel like I'm doing something. 00:35:30.690 --> 00:35:33.660 align:middle line:84% And with everything that happened with the home 00:35:33.660 --> 00:35:38.820 align:middle line:84% exhibition and really getting a good reception from that, that 00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:44.910 align:middle line:84% really showed me that I need to keep doing this, 00:35:44.910 --> 00:35:46.870 align:middle line:90% that it's important work-- 00:35:46.870 --> 00:35:50.020 align:middle line:84% it's not just something that I'm doing-- 00:35:50.020 --> 00:35:54.550 align:middle line:84% that it's working within the social context. 00:35:54.550 --> 00:35:56.580 align:middle line:84% So I think that's been inspiring to me, 00:35:56.580 --> 00:35:58.290 align:middle line:84% working with all these different people 00:35:58.290 --> 00:36:02.400 align:middle line:84% and knowing that we're doing this collaborative work 00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:06.177 align:middle line:84% together that is going somewhere. 00:36:06.177 --> 00:36:12.410 align:middle line:90% 00:36:12.410 --> 00:36:13.865 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I think working with others. 00:36:13.865 --> 00:36:18.195 align:middle line:90% 00:36:18.195 --> 00:36:19.820 align:middle line:84% It's funny you say that I've been busy. 00:36:19.820 --> 00:36:20.903 align:middle line:90% And I feel like I haven't. 00:36:20.903 --> 00:36:22.720 align:middle line:84% But then, when I reflect back on, actually, 00:36:22.720 --> 00:36:24.470 align:middle line:84% what the presentation was, I'm like, yeah, 00:36:24.470 --> 00:36:26.780 align:middle line:90% I guess I have been busy. 00:36:26.780 --> 00:36:30.980 align:middle line:84% And Nic, can I ask a little bit about that, about your hiatus? 00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:35.450 align:middle line:84% I think there's been a larger discussion about mental health 00:36:35.450 --> 00:36:38.750 align:middle line:84% during the pandemic, right, because so many people have 00:36:38.750 --> 00:36:44.300 align:middle line:84% found themselves suffering, either in silence or along 00:36:44.300 --> 00:36:45.300 align:middle line:90% with their loved ones. 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:48.120 align:middle line:84% And I know you mentioned an episode. 00:36:48.120 --> 00:36:50.120 align:middle line:84% And so perhaps that's how you sort of 00:36:50.120 --> 00:36:53.690 align:middle line:84% were jolted into the reality of your situation. 00:36:53.690 --> 00:36:57.230 align:middle line:84% But I just wonder if you can talk about, 00:36:57.230 --> 00:36:59.828 align:middle line:84% because so many of us are contending 00:36:59.828 --> 00:37:01.370 align:middle line:84% with mental health, either personally 00:37:01.370 --> 00:37:03.380 align:middle line:84% or within our relationships, can you 00:37:03.380 --> 00:37:13.090 align:middle line:84% talk about how to keep yourself safe and healthy 00:37:13.090 --> 00:37:18.700 align:middle line:84% or how to help your loved ones in these situations. 00:37:18.700 --> 00:37:20.918 align:middle line:84% I mean, I've seen this a lot out there. 00:37:20.918 --> 00:37:22.710 align:middle line:84% And I think it's really important is really 00:37:22.710 --> 00:37:24.502 align:middle line:84% asking people how they're doing and waiting 00:37:24.502 --> 00:37:26.570 align:middle line:90% for them to give you an answer. 00:37:26.570 --> 00:37:29.350 align:middle line:84% And if they say, I'm OK, I'm fine, ask, what does that mean? 00:37:29.350 --> 00:37:31.000 align:middle line:84% And as a therapist, that's what did. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.780 align:middle line:84% It's like, how has your week been? 00:37:32.780 --> 00:37:34.570 align:middle line:90% Oh, it's been OK. 00:37:34.570 --> 00:37:37.750 align:middle line:84% OK, so on a scale of 1 to 10, where is OK, 00:37:37.750 --> 00:37:40.703 align:middle line:90% and what does that mean? 00:37:40.703 --> 00:37:42.870 align:middle line:84% Because we're used to, I think, before the pandemic, 00:37:42.870 --> 00:37:45.460 align:middle line:84% we're used to, oh, I'm fine, and we just kind of let it go. 00:37:45.460 --> 00:37:48.820 align:middle line:84% But now, we are, like you say, in this global collective of, 00:37:48.820 --> 00:37:51.400 align:middle line:84% no, actually, we're not fine, and we need 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.170 align:middle line:90% to know how everybody's doing. 00:37:53.170 --> 00:37:56.330 align:middle line:90% 00:37:56.330 --> 00:38:01.100 align:middle line:84% So I think what you're getting at is the stigma is low. 00:38:01.100 --> 00:38:02.930 align:middle line:84% There isn't as much stigma as there used 00:38:02.930 --> 00:38:04.740 align:middle line:90% to be around mental health. 00:38:04.740 --> 00:38:06.650 align:middle line:84% And that's really amazing and important. 00:38:06.650 --> 00:38:10.250 align:middle line:90% 00:38:10.250 --> 00:38:13.890 align:middle line:84% I mean, and check in with yourself, right? 00:38:13.890 --> 00:38:16.650 align:middle line:90% How am I doing? 00:38:16.650 --> 00:38:18.810 align:middle line:90% Scales are really great. 00:38:18.810 --> 00:38:21.750 align:middle line:84% Therapists love scales, scaling questions. 00:38:21.750 --> 00:38:23.970 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHING] 00:38:23.970 --> 00:38:25.890 align:middle line:90% And make your own. 00:38:25.890 --> 00:38:28.380 align:middle line:84% Use your calendar and make your own log of that 00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:31.970 align:middle line:90% and see what's going on. 00:38:31.970 --> 00:38:38.850 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I was jolted into it and realized what was going on. 00:38:38.850 --> 00:38:45.420 align:middle line:84% And I still kind of resisted it while it was happening. 00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:48.160 align:middle line:90% 00:38:48.160 --> 00:38:51.710 align:middle line:90% So bipolar is the dual, right? 00:38:51.710 --> 00:38:53.600 align:middle line:84% For bipolar II, you're hypomanic. 00:38:53.600 --> 00:38:58.660 align:middle line:84% So you're not saying you can jump and fly off of buildings 00:38:58.660 --> 00:39:01.360 align:middle line:84% or things like that, but you're super motivated, 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:06.070 align:middle line:84% you're laser focused, you're super productive, 00:39:06.070 --> 00:39:08.470 align:middle line:90% and you feel great. 00:39:08.470 --> 00:39:11.320 align:middle line:84% And then, the lows are actually lower 00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.170 align:middle line:84% than with bipolar I, the depression. 00:39:14.170 --> 00:39:17.560 align:middle line:84% So bipolar II depression is actually quite lower. 00:39:17.560 --> 00:39:25.640 align:middle line:84% And you can't-- everything-- brushing your teeth is hard. 00:39:25.640 --> 00:39:29.510 align:middle line:84% So for me, when I was in the beginning of what ended up 00:39:29.510 --> 00:39:33.290 align:middle line:84% being a mixed episode, with my hypomania, I was like, well, 00:39:33.290 --> 00:39:35.270 align:middle line:84% I have to stay up until midnight because I 00:39:35.270 --> 00:39:37.520 align:middle line:84% need to finish this project because I 00:39:37.520 --> 00:39:40.880 align:middle line:84% was in school and doing this and doing that. 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.190 align:middle line:84% But after it, once I finish it, I'll be fine. 00:39:43.190 --> 00:39:44.840 align:middle line:90% And then I'll just be-- 00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:45.770 align:middle line:90% but it didn't. 00:39:45.770 --> 00:39:47.210 align:middle line:90% It pushed it, and it pushed it. 00:39:47.210 --> 00:39:52.100 align:middle line:84% And my psychiatrist tried, but I was so resistant to that 00:39:52.100 --> 00:39:55.280 align:middle line:90% that I made it worse on myself. 00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.920 align:middle line:84% So also, as therapists, we always 00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.610 align:middle line:90% look to the support system. 00:39:59.610 --> 00:40:01.750 align:middle line:84% So when you've got somebody coming in, 00:40:01.750 --> 00:40:09.390 align:middle line:84% and they're suffering, whether it's 00:40:09.390 --> 00:40:11.333 align:middle line:84% anxiety or depression or anything else, 00:40:11.333 --> 00:40:12.750 align:middle line:84% it's what is their support system? 00:40:12.750 --> 00:40:14.460 align:middle line:84% Do they have people they can count on? 00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:18.620 align:middle line:90% 00:40:18.620 --> 00:40:21.800 align:middle line:90% And hopefully, you do. 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.050 align:middle line:84% And make sure that, especially during this time, 00:40:24.050 --> 00:40:29.200 align:middle line:90% that you're counting on them. 00:40:29.200 --> 00:40:31.240 align:middle line:90% Great, thanks for that. 00:40:31.240 --> 00:40:32.540 align:middle line:90% So Evelyn has a question. 00:40:32.540 --> 00:40:34.952 align:middle line:84% She asked that I read it for her. 00:40:34.952 --> 00:40:36.910 align:middle line:84% What is one of your favorite projects or pieces 00:40:36.910 --> 00:40:37.770 align:middle line:90% you've ever done? 00:40:37.770 --> 00:40:41.860 align:middle line:84% And what does your creative process look like? 00:40:41.860 --> 00:40:43.360 align:middle line:84% How do you bring your ideas to life? 00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:48.040 align:middle line:90% 00:40:48.040 --> 00:40:51.160 align:middle line:84% I think my favorite is the first one I showed you, 00:40:51.160 --> 00:40:53.560 align:middle line:90% You are Perpetual Tourists. 00:40:53.560 --> 00:40:55.300 align:middle line:84% And it is probably why I show it, too, 00:40:55.300 --> 00:40:57.250 align:middle line:84% because it's one of my favorites. 00:40:57.250 --> 00:40:58.810 align:middle line:90% It was so fun. 00:40:58.810 --> 00:41:02.470 align:middle line:84% And it really evolved on its own. 00:41:02.470 --> 00:41:05.590 align:middle line:84% I didn't, when I first started shooting in 2004, 00:41:05.590 --> 00:41:09.640 align:middle line:84% I didn't know what I was shooting for. 00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:15.730 align:middle line:84% And eventually, it kind of morphed itself into this. 00:41:15.730 --> 00:41:23.495 align:middle line:84% And my process is pretty intuitive. 00:41:23.495 --> 00:41:25.370 align:middle line:84% Sometimes it takes me a while to get started. 00:41:25.370 --> 00:41:29.600 align:middle line:90% But I do writing. 00:41:29.600 --> 00:41:31.748 align:middle line:84% I do free writes to get things out. 00:41:31.748 --> 00:41:33.290 align:middle line:84% I've been doing a lot of that lately. 00:41:33.290 --> 00:41:37.200 align:middle line:84% I haven't been making very much, like making making. 00:41:37.200 --> 00:41:39.915 align:middle line:90% So yeah. 00:41:39.915 --> 00:41:41.540 align:middle line:84% Oh, good, that answered your questions. 00:41:41.540 --> 00:41:45.260 align:middle line:90% Thank you for that thumbs-up. 00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:47.660 align:middle line:84% So I wanted to ask about Being Adopted. 00:41:47.660 --> 00:41:50.420 align:middle line:90% One, is it ongoing? 00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:53.060 align:middle line:84% Can people continue to participate in the future? 00:41:53.060 --> 00:41:56.960 align:middle line:84% And then, two, I'm just curious how you connect with-- 00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:58.490 align:middle line:84% sometimes, you're really focusing 00:41:58.490 --> 00:42:02.660 align:middle line:84% on very specific audiences or participant groups. 00:42:02.660 --> 00:42:05.540 align:middle line:90% How are you finding those folks? 00:42:05.540 --> 00:42:06.763 align:middle line:90% Yes, it's still ongoing. 00:42:06.763 --> 00:42:08.180 align:middle line:84% I haven't done the big push for it 00:42:08.180 --> 00:42:11.150 align:middle line:90% that I did when I first started. 00:42:11.150 --> 00:42:13.710 align:middle line:90% I believe I-- yeah, 2019. 00:42:13.710 --> 00:42:14.680 align:middle line:90% That's what I said. 00:42:14.680 --> 00:42:15.750 align:middle line:90% Ha ha. 00:42:15.750 --> 00:42:19.990 align:middle line:84% I didn't look at the data until early 2020. 00:42:19.990 --> 00:42:21.460 align:middle line:84% That's why I got a little confused. 00:42:21.460 --> 00:42:23.640 align:middle line:84% But yeah, so Being Adopted is still ongoing. 00:42:23.640 --> 00:42:26.380 align:middle line:84% I can find the link and put it up. 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:29.790 align:middle line:84% You can also go to it on my website. 00:42:29.790 --> 00:42:32.850 align:middle line:84% I have done a lot of work in communications, 00:42:32.850 --> 00:42:34.680 align:middle line:84% in particular in digital communications. 00:42:34.680 --> 00:42:40.920 align:middle line:84% And so I've done social media pushes, 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.850 align:middle line:84% also cultivating relationships digitally to then do 00:42:44.850 --> 00:42:47.010 align:middle line:84% specific email asks for people who 00:42:47.010 --> 00:42:48.660 align:middle line:90% have audiences to push it out. 00:42:48.660 --> 00:42:51.770 align:middle line:90% 00:42:51.770 --> 00:42:57.650 align:middle line:84% It's that kind of social media, digital savvy that I 00:42:57.650 --> 00:42:59.840 align:middle line:84% learned along the way as an artist 00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.120 align:middle line:90% and working in communications. 00:43:03.120 --> 00:43:05.790 align:middle line:84% And also, to be clear, when you want a specific audience, 00:43:05.790 --> 00:43:09.760 align:middle line:84% to be clear of, specifically, who you want. 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.670 align:middle line:84% Do you have any additional ongoing projects 00:43:12.670 --> 00:43:14.980 align:middle line:84% or future projects, anything you're excited about? 00:43:14.980 --> 00:43:18.655 align:middle line:84% Or things are, we hope, changing-- 00:43:18.655 --> 00:43:20.775 align:middle line:90% I know, right? 00:43:20.775 --> 00:43:22.150 align:middle line:84% Are you not in a phase, mentally, 00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:23.470 align:middle line:90% where you want to plan? 00:43:23.470 --> 00:43:25.570 align:middle line:84% But is there anything you're working on 00:43:25.570 --> 00:43:28.037 align:middle line:84% now or hoping to be working on that you're 00:43:28.037 --> 00:43:28.870 align:middle line:90% comfortable sharing? 00:43:28.870 --> 00:43:31.570 align:middle line:90% 00:43:31.570 --> 00:43:33.730 align:middle line:84% I'm having a hard time in the studio right now, 00:43:33.730 --> 00:43:35.840 align:middle line:84% so I want to be honest about that. 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.220 align:middle line:84% But there is a project that's been on the back burner 00:43:39.220 --> 00:43:44.350 align:middle line:84% that I'm trying to reopen, which is a short film. 00:43:44.350 --> 00:43:47.140 align:middle line:84% My husband's a filmmaker, an emerging filmmaker, 00:43:47.140 --> 00:43:49.222 align:middle line:90% so I'm working with him on it. 00:43:49.222 --> 00:43:54.670 align:middle line:84% I'm trying to write the scripts about a girl who 00:43:54.670 --> 00:43:58.090 align:middle line:84% gets pregnant and ends up relinquishing her child, 00:43:58.090 --> 00:44:01.210 align:middle line:84% so looking at it not from the adoptee perspective 00:44:01.210 --> 00:44:03.730 align:middle line:84% but from the birth mother perspective 00:44:03.730 --> 00:44:12.280 align:middle line:84% and looking at the crossover of those experiences. 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.730 align:middle line:84% Because my experience as an adoptee 00:44:15.730 --> 00:44:19.120 align:middle line:84% and my mother's experience as a birth mother, 00:44:19.120 --> 00:44:22.990 align:middle line:84% our experiences are not in the normal narrative 00:44:22.990 --> 00:44:24.370 align:middle line:90% of the adoption story. 00:44:24.370 --> 00:44:27.340 align:middle line:84% It's all about the adoptive parents and being adopted. 00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:29.300 align:middle line:84% And so our stories aren't told that very often. 00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:32.650 align:middle line:84% So I want to do that and then see maybe 00:44:32.650 --> 00:44:34.540 align:middle line:90% that leads to a feature. 00:44:34.540 --> 00:44:37.690 align:middle line:84% But let's just do the short first. 00:44:37.690 --> 00:44:39.700 align:middle line:84% So one final question before we close out. 00:44:39.700 --> 00:44:42.760 align:middle line:84% I just wanted to ask, are there any artists, or an artist, 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.370 align:middle line:84% whose work that is really inspiring 00:44:45.370 --> 00:44:47.710 align:middle line:84% you whose work you'd like to amplify and share 00:44:47.710 --> 00:44:48.460 align:middle line:90% with our audience? 00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:52.480 align:middle line:90% 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.280 align:middle line:90% Gala Porras-Kim, her work. 00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:59.590 align:middle line:84% She's getting a lot of recognition right now, 00:44:59.590 --> 00:45:00.835 align:middle line:90% but her work is so poetic. 00:45:00.835 --> 00:45:04.270 align:middle line:90% 00:45:04.270 --> 00:45:05.980 align:middle line:84% And I think Carmen Argote, her work 00:45:05.980 --> 00:45:09.235 align:middle line:90% is also-- it's very honest. 00:45:09.235 --> 00:45:11.110 align:middle line:84% Carmen's work is very honest, and Gala's work 00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:12.127 align:middle line:90% is really poetic. 00:45:12.127 --> 00:45:13.335 align:middle line:90% And they're LA-based artists. 00:45:13.335 --> 00:45:17.330 align:middle line:90% 00:45:17.330 --> 00:45:19.440 align:middle line:90% Huge thanks to you, Nicole. 00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.490 align:middle line:84% Thanks so much for your time and generosity today. 00:45:22.490 --> 00:45:23.990 align:middle line:84% Fun to spend time with you and learn 00:45:23.990 --> 00:45:27.050 align:middle line:84% more about your practice and your professional life, 00:45:27.050 --> 00:45:28.560 align:middle line:90% as well. 00:45:28.560 --> 00:45:32.630 align:middle line:84% So Roman just put a quick link in the chat about the survey. 00:45:32.630 --> 00:45:36.420 align:middle line:84% We'd appreciate it if you'd take two minutes to complete that. 00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:38.270 align:middle line:90% So thanks again, Nicole. 00:45:38.270 --> 00:45:39.620 align:middle line:90% We appreciate you. 00:45:39.620 --> 00:45:41.420 align:middle line:84% And thanks to everyone who attended today. 00:45:41.420 --> 00:45:43.543 align:middle line:90% And we'll see you next time. 00:45:43.543 --> 00:45:45.710 align:middle line:84% Thank you guys, and thank you, everyone, for coming. 00:45:45.710 --> 00:45:47.240 align:middle line:90% Bye. 00:45:47.240 --> 00:45:48.440 align:middle line:90% Thanks. 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:51.790 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:45:51.790 --> 00:45:59.000 align:middle 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