WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:13.012 align:middle line:90% 00:00:13.012 --> 00:00:14.470 align:middle line:84% REBECCA TRAWICK: Today's program is 00:00:14.470 --> 00:00:17.440 align:middle line:84% presented as part of the Wignall Museum's Home Edition, 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.530 align:middle line:84% a series of curated artist talks, workshops, 00:00:20.530 --> 00:00:23.800 align:middle line:84% and discussions featuring artists and cultural workers. 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:24.940 align:middle line:90% My name's Rebecca Trawick. 00:00:24.940 --> 00:00:27.950 align:middle line:84% I'm the director and curator of the Wignall Museum. 00:00:27.950 --> 00:00:31.690 align:middle line:84% The Wignall Museum is a teaching museum an interdisciplinary art 00:00:31.690 --> 00:00:35.080 align:middle line:84% space that introduces 性视界 College students, faculty, 00:00:35.080 --> 00:00:38.560 align:middle line:84% staff, and community members to innovative contemporary art, 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:41.500 align:middle line:90% objects, practices, and ideas. 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:44.200 align:middle line:84% We want to take a moment to recognize that we are situated 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:47.500 align:middle line:84% on the Rancho Cucamonga campus of 性视界, which 00:00:47.500 --> 00:00:50.080 align:middle line:84% resides on the traditional and unseated lands 00:00:50.080 --> 00:00:51.760 align:middle line:90% of the [? Tongua ?] people. 00:00:51.760 --> 00:00:53.440 align:middle line:84% We offer our respect to the elders 00:00:53.440 --> 00:00:57.610 align:middle line:90% both past, present, and future. 00:00:57.610 --> 00:01:00.340 align:middle line:84% Without further ado, I'd like to introduce Justin and then hand 00:01:00.340 --> 00:01:02.170 align:middle line:90% the floor over to him. 00:01:02.170 --> 00:01:04.480 align:middle line:84% Justin is an independent designer, activist, 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:05.980 align:middle line:84% and collaborator living in Omaha, 00:01:05.980 --> 00:01:08.470 align:middle line:84% Nebraska, focused on making it beautiful, 00:01:08.470 --> 00:01:11.950 align:middle line:84% moving people to action, and getting good things done. 00:01:11.950 --> 00:01:14.350 align:middle line:84% He works primarily with community organizations, 00:01:14.350 --> 00:01:17.620 align:middle line:84% political campaigns, and change-making entities 00:01:17.620 --> 00:01:21.060 align:middle line:84% in need of branding, graphic design, web design, and art 00:01:21.060 --> 00:01:22.470 align:middle line:90% direction. 00:01:22.470 --> 00:01:24.970 align:middle line:84% His self-initiated projects and collaborations 00:01:24.970 --> 00:01:28.510 align:middle line:84% explore ways to move forward important causes and ideas 00:01:28.510 --> 00:01:33.080 align:middle line:84% with design, art, and other forms of creative expression. 00:01:33.080 --> 00:01:36.474 align:middle line:84% So please welcome, Justin Kemerling. 00:01:36.474 --> 00:01:38.600 align:middle line:84% JUSTIN KEMERLING: I like to approach design 00:01:38.600 --> 00:01:41.832 align:middle line:84% by thinking about trying to make design matter. 00:01:41.832 --> 00:01:43.790 align:middle line:84% And so this will be a presentation, discussion, 00:01:43.790 --> 00:01:45.530 align:middle line:84% and review on the subject of design 00:01:45.530 --> 00:01:46.700 align:middle line:90% in the middle of everything. 00:01:46.700 --> 00:01:48.117 align:middle line:84% The middle being, like, the middle 00:01:48.117 --> 00:01:50.720 align:middle line:84% of the country and then also the middle being, 00:01:50.720 --> 00:01:53.780 align:middle line:84% like, in the middle of this crazy, tumultuous time 00:01:53.780 --> 00:01:56.340 align:middle line:90% in this country, specifically. 00:01:56.340 --> 00:01:59.780 align:middle line:84% And so I think it always helps to have some context. 00:01:59.780 --> 00:02:02.340 align:middle line:90% I gave you a singles reference. 00:02:02.340 --> 00:02:03.450 align:middle line:90% So that's one thing. 00:02:03.450 --> 00:02:06.050 align:middle line:84% I think there are three things about me you should know. 00:02:06.050 --> 00:02:07.970 align:middle line:90% I was in a punk band in college. 00:02:07.970 --> 00:02:11.090 align:middle line:84% I love The Clash and a lot of those punk rock sensibilities, 00:02:11.090 --> 00:02:14.840 align:middle line:90% DIY, ways to do things-- 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.680 align:middle line:84% kind of dovetails into a grassroots aesthetic, 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:21.260 align:middle line:84% punk rock attitudes like, we didn't have any money 00:02:21.260 --> 00:02:26.180 align:middle line:84% and we just made things in our own weird way-- 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:28.920 align:middle line:84% from songs to short films to design. 00:02:28.920 --> 00:02:31.010 align:middle line:84% So punk rock foundation definitely 00:02:31.010 --> 00:02:34.160 align:middle line:84% informs a lot of the work that I do. 00:02:34.160 --> 00:02:36.950 align:middle line:84% I became very interested in political science in college. 00:02:36.950 --> 00:02:38.770 align:middle line:84% This is a poster by James Victore 00:02:38.770 --> 00:02:44.150 align:middle line:84% who is a very great designer that I admire and look up to. 00:02:44.150 --> 00:02:46.865 align:middle line:84% He's probably 10 or so years older than I am. 00:02:46.865 --> 00:02:47.990 align:middle line:90% This is one of his posters. 00:02:47.990 --> 00:02:50.450 align:middle line:84% He made lots of posters that made him very 00:02:50.450 --> 00:02:52.320 align:middle line:90% famous in the design world. 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:57.170 align:middle line:84% And so I try to apply political science in the readings 00:02:57.170 --> 00:02:59.510 align:middle line:84% that I did in college to a profession. 00:02:59.510 --> 00:03:01.520 align:middle line:84% And that profession happened to be design. 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:06.520 align:middle line:90% So taking Howard Zinn-- 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:10.030 align:middle line:84% those sorts of, like, Noam Chomsky-- 00:03:10.030 --> 00:03:12.640 align:middle line:84% political left writers and thinkers 00:03:12.640 --> 00:03:17.270 align:middle line:84% and trying to apply that into a modern career that existed. 00:03:17.270 --> 00:03:19.270 align:middle line:84% And so I also am from Nebraska, which is 00:03:19.270 --> 00:03:21.520 align:middle line:90% in the middle of the country. 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:22.960 align:middle line:90% You don't get any-- 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.210 align:middle line:84% you probably get bonus points if you know where it is. 00:03:25.210 --> 00:03:27.220 align:middle line:84% I actually had a client the other day 00:03:27.220 --> 00:03:30.580 align:middle line:90% who was like, where do you live? 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:32.620 align:middle line:84% A lot of people don't know where Nebraska is. 00:03:32.620 --> 00:03:35.710 align:middle line:84% It's in the middle of the country. 00:03:35.710 --> 00:03:36.760 align:middle line:90% I live in Omaha. 00:03:36.760 --> 00:03:38.560 align:middle line:90% It is about-- 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:42.910 align:middle line:84% Omaha, Council Bluffs metro area has 1.2 million people 00:03:42.910 --> 00:03:43.570 align:middle line:90% who live there. 00:03:43.570 --> 00:03:47.320 align:middle line:84% So that's like a middle sized city. 00:03:47.320 --> 00:03:50.430 align:middle line:84% I live in an older part of the city. 00:03:50.430 --> 00:03:51.670 align:middle line:90% We have lots of good food. 00:03:51.670 --> 00:03:54.010 align:middle line:84% Conor Oberst in Bright Eyes is from here. 00:03:54.010 --> 00:03:59.710 align:middle line:84% He is my age if that, also, helps give you any context. 00:03:59.710 --> 00:04:00.760 align:middle line:90% So, yeah. 00:04:00.760 --> 00:04:01.840 align:middle line:90% I like Instagram. 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.070 align:middle line:84% That's probably my favorite social media network. 00:04:04.070 --> 00:04:08.110 align:middle line:84% So here's some shots that may give you a little bit more 00:04:08.110 --> 00:04:11.230 align:middle line:90% visual info on me. 00:04:11.230 --> 00:04:12.940 align:middle line:90% I like President Obama a lot. 00:04:12.940 --> 00:04:13.960 align:middle line:90% I love The Clash. 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:17.070 align:middle line:90% I like to vote. 00:04:17.070 --> 00:04:20.610 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to talk about work, but I 00:04:20.610 --> 00:04:23.130 align:middle line:84% think the poster is something you can always 00:04:23.130 --> 00:04:26.190 align:middle line:84% keep in mind when I'm going through the work. 00:04:26.190 --> 00:04:28.650 align:middle line:84% I think the poster is probably the purest form 00:04:28.650 --> 00:04:33.300 align:middle line:84% of visual communication if you [? need ?] a 2 by 3 foot space. 00:04:33.300 --> 00:04:35.580 align:middle line:84% In a flash, you must arrest the viewer's attention 00:04:35.580 --> 00:04:38.880 align:middle line:84% of a passerby, alter his or her perception, 00:04:38.880 --> 00:04:40.530 align:middle line:90% change it, reinforce it. 00:04:40.530 --> 00:04:42.380 align:middle line:84% Make it see something differently. 00:04:42.380 --> 00:04:44.220 align:middle line:84% Surprise, delight, inspire, motivate. 00:04:44.220 --> 00:04:46.890 align:middle line:84% Those kind of things you're all trying to do in a poster. 00:04:46.890 --> 00:04:51.270 align:middle line:84% And you don't have an infinite scroll, you don't have a gif, 00:04:51.270 --> 00:04:54.210 align:middle line:84% you don't have video, you don't have a lot of things 00:04:54.210 --> 00:04:56.010 align:middle line:90% that screens provide. 00:04:56.010 --> 00:04:58.200 align:middle line:90% Even though the poster can be-- 00:04:58.200 --> 00:05:00.900 align:middle line:84% these are some old pos-- this was 2005. 00:05:00.900 --> 00:05:04.268 align:middle line:84% I tried to find an organization that I thought 00:05:04.268 --> 00:05:06.310 align:middle line:84% was doing interesting stuff and it was like, hey, 00:05:06.310 --> 00:05:08.250 align:middle line:84% I want to make some posters for you. 00:05:08.250 --> 00:05:10.290 align:middle line:84% And so I worked with the community organizer 00:05:10.290 --> 00:05:15.000 align:middle line:84% on this project to get liquor licenses removed 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.680 align:middle line:84% from a town that was exploiting Native Americans 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:24.265 align:middle line:84% and their distress by profiting off of their alcoholism. 00:05:24.265 --> 00:05:25.890 align:middle line:84% And it was a pretty terrible situation. 00:05:25.890 --> 00:05:29.390 align:middle line:84% So we made posters for this march that we did. 00:05:29.390 --> 00:05:31.310 align:middle line:84% I just always really liked posters. 00:05:31.310 --> 00:05:35.760 align:middle line:84% And so here's some that I made during the Iraq war time. 00:05:35.760 --> 00:05:37.360 align:middle line:90% This was about immigration. 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:44.340 align:middle line:84% So this was my way to use design to try to say something. 00:05:44.340 --> 00:05:46.540 align:middle line:84% And I knew I wasn't really going to be an artist. 00:05:46.540 --> 00:05:50.360 align:middle line:84% I didn't really have that kind of thinking. 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.730 align:middle line:84% I was always looking for a problem to solve 00:05:53.730 --> 00:05:56.040 align:middle line:84% or an opportunity to find and use design 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:00.120 align:middle line:90% to make that issue seemingly-- 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.740 align:middle line:90% give it more attention. 00:06:01.740 --> 00:06:04.890 align:middle line:84% This was for the ACLU a few years ago. 00:06:04.890 --> 00:06:07.950 align:middle line:84% This was a campaign out in Los Angeles. 00:06:07.950 --> 00:06:08.790 align:middle line:90% Some Obama stuff. 00:06:08.790 --> 00:06:12.350 align:middle line:90% 00:06:12.350 --> 00:06:15.050 align:middle line:84% And so my business that I've been doing, now, 00:06:15.050 --> 00:06:16.100 align:middle line:90% for over 10 years-- 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:19.472 align:middle line:90% 10 years and a quarter-- 00:06:19.472 --> 00:06:21.680 align:middle line:84% we work with progressive change-makers and do-gooders 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.290 align:middle line:90% is, basically, how I framed it. 00:06:24.290 --> 00:06:26.990 align:middle line:84% And that has become the work that we take on. 00:06:26.990 --> 00:06:31.830 align:middle line:84% And I think everybody says, design is all about intention. 00:06:31.830 --> 00:06:34.340 align:middle line:84% And so in the process and practice of design, 00:06:34.340 --> 00:06:38.360 align:middle line:84% you're intentional in what you're making-- a logo, a brand 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.180 align:middle line:90% website, a space. 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:42.520 align:middle line:84% And so I wanted to be very intentional about the career 00:06:42.520 --> 00:06:44.650 align:middle line:84% and the work that I was going to do. 00:06:44.650 --> 00:06:48.490 align:middle line:84% And so before I set out 10 years ago to work on my own, 00:06:48.490 --> 00:06:52.258 align:middle line:84% I sat down and I wrote out these principles on paper. 00:06:52.258 --> 00:06:53.050 align:middle line:90% And I was like, OK. 00:06:53.050 --> 00:06:54.880 align:middle line:84% Now I can always refer back to them. 00:06:54.880 --> 00:06:59.560 align:middle line:84% So I wanted to do work that is part of things, experiments, 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:03.520 align:middle line:84% delights, is optimistic, gives a damn, is community minded, 00:07:03.520 --> 00:07:07.290 align:middle line:84% moves people to action, points us in a direction, 00:07:07.290 --> 00:07:10.210 align:middle line:84% picks a side/annoys certain people, 00:07:10.210 --> 00:07:12.560 align:middle line:84% makes things better, and has heart. 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.620 align:middle line:84% And so that was what I wanted the work 00:07:14.620 --> 00:07:17.200 align:middle line:90% that I was going to do-- 00:07:17.200 --> 00:07:18.900 align:middle line:90% to encompass in some way. 00:07:18.900 --> 00:07:21.850 align:middle line:84% I had to have a few of these for the project to make sense. 00:07:21.850 --> 00:07:26.760 align:middle line:84% And so I'll just talk about five examples of that really quick, 00:07:26.760 --> 00:07:29.280 align:middle line:84% specific projects that I think do one of those things 00:07:29.280 --> 00:07:30.370 align:middle line:90% really well. 00:07:30.370 --> 00:07:32.070 align:middle line:84% And so one of those, I wanted to do work 00:07:32.070 --> 00:07:34.180 align:middle line:90% that moves people to action. 00:07:34.180 --> 00:07:36.870 align:middle line:84% And so this was for a group called-- 00:07:36.870 --> 00:07:38.940 align:middle line:84% Bold Nebraska is the organization. 00:07:38.940 --> 00:07:42.330 align:middle line:84% But they became known as the pipeline fighters. 00:07:42.330 --> 00:07:44.550 align:middle line:84% It was a multi-year, multi-channel campaign 00:07:44.550 --> 00:07:47.970 align:middle line:84% to stop the TransCanada pipeline also known as the Keystone XL 00:07:47.970 --> 00:07:48.850 align:middle line:90% pipeline. 00:07:48.850 --> 00:07:52.840 align:middle line:84% This is still going on all these years later. 00:07:52.840 --> 00:07:54.600 align:middle line:84% And so this was a poster that we made. 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.120 align:middle line:90% There was a study that came out. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.850 align:middle line:84% The corporation had said that the pipeline expected 00:07:59.850 --> 00:08:03.600 align:middle line:84% to have 10 leaks over the life of the pipeline which still 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:06.720 align:middle line:84% seems like a lot when you're talking about a pipeline that's 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.990 align:middle line:84% going over the aquifer, which is the largest 00:08:09.990 --> 00:08:12.810 align:middle line:84% underground freshwater resource in the country-- 00:08:12.810 --> 00:08:15.230 align:middle line:84% stretches from Nebraska to Texas. 00:08:15.230 --> 00:08:17.320 align:middle line:84% And so the pipeline was going to go over this. 00:08:17.320 --> 00:08:20.550 align:middle line:84% And so we made a poster showing this underground water 00:08:20.550 --> 00:08:21.203 align:middle line:90% resource. 00:08:21.203 --> 00:08:22.620 align:middle line:84% And there was an independent study 00:08:22.620 --> 00:08:24.037 align:middle line:84% that was done that said that there 00:08:24.037 --> 00:08:26.147 align:middle line:84% would be 91 leaks over the life of the pipeline. 00:08:26.147 --> 00:08:28.230 align:middle line:84% So we put all the leaks on this poster for effect. 00:08:28.230 --> 00:08:31.140 align:middle line:90% 00:08:31.140 --> 00:08:32.960 align:middle line:84% And yeah, sold it to raise money. 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.909 align:middle line:84% And so we did a lot of stuff around-- 00:08:36.909 --> 00:08:39.820 align:middle line:84% this was my first major client project 00:08:39.820 --> 00:08:41.799 align:middle line:90% when I was going out on my own. 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.590 align:middle line:84% And we did all the branding for the organization. 00:08:44.590 --> 00:08:46.960 align:middle line:84% But then it became like a really good opportunity 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.540 align:middle line:84% to do lots of other stuff in terms of campaigns. 00:08:52.540 --> 00:08:55.280 align:middle line:84% This was a clean energy campaign. 00:08:55.280 --> 00:08:57.370 align:middle line:84% This was a campaign to get people 00:08:57.370 --> 00:09:00.190 align:middle line:84% to vote for inclusive cities, to protect the land. 00:09:00.190 --> 00:09:02.607 align:middle line:84% So it became an opportunity to bring design 00:09:02.607 --> 00:09:04.690 align:middle line:84% to all these issues that we thought were important 00:09:04.690 --> 00:09:06.520 align:middle line:84% and visualize them and get people inspired 00:09:06.520 --> 00:09:11.050 align:middle line:84% to get involved, to vote, to get involved in their community. 00:09:11.050 --> 00:09:13.520 align:middle line:84% This one, we actually branded the Ogallala aquifer. 00:09:13.520 --> 00:09:15.520 align:middle line:84% [? I ?] made this little [? mark, ?] worked with 00:09:15.520 --> 00:09:18.970 align:middle line:84% a typographer to make some custom letters. 00:09:18.970 --> 00:09:22.570 align:middle line:84% It was actually voted America's best-tasting water 00:09:22.570 --> 00:09:24.890 align:middle line:90% by this organization. 00:09:24.890 --> 00:09:27.587 align:middle line:84% And so we wanted to play that up and brand aquifer So 00:09:27.587 --> 00:09:29.170 align:middle line:84% that people would know that like, hey, 00:09:29.170 --> 00:09:32.530 align:middle line:84% this is like a pretty good thing you have going on here-- 00:09:32.530 --> 00:09:35.120 align:middle line:84% middle of the country with all this great water below it. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.450 align:middle line:84% Maybe don't screw it up by putting a dirty pipeline 00:09:37.450 --> 00:09:40.280 align:middle line:90% over it and threatening that. 00:09:40.280 --> 00:09:42.130 align:middle line:84% So we made some patches out of that. 00:09:42.130 --> 00:09:43.030 align:middle line:90% This is Ben. 00:09:43.030 --> 00:09:44.830 align:middle line:84% He was an activist on the ground. 00:09:44.830 --> 00:09:46.330 align:middle line:84% He's got a couple of patches, there. 00:09:46.330 --> 00:09:49.180 align:middle line:90% Got a pipeline fighter bandanna. 00:09:49.180 --> 00:09:54.970 align:middle line:84% So a there were lots of legal things that happened. 00:09:54.970 --> 00:09:56.710 align:middle line:84% So they have to do State Department 00:09:56.710 --> 00:09:59.450 align:middle line:90% reviews of energy projects. 00:09:59.450 --> 00:10:02.530 align:middle line:84% And so this was out in Western Nebraska 00:10:02.530 --> 00:10:05.530 align:middle line:84% where they had a hearing with the State Department. 00:10:05.530 --> 00:10:08.020 align:middle line:90% And you could go to this event. 00:10:08.020 --> 00:10:09.400 align:middle line:90% But you couldn't bring signs. 00:10:09.400 --> 00:10:14.290 align:middle line:84% And so we all brought our bandanas. 00:10:14.290 --> 00:10:15.910 align:middle line:84% And so whenever anybody was speaking 00:10:15.910 --> 00:10:17.710 align:middle line:84% that was in favor of stopping the pipeline, 00:10:17.710 --> 00:10:21.730 align:middle line:84% we held up these bandanas so it became a cool visual. 00:10:21.730 --> 00:10:25.060 align:middle line:84% And we rallied around-- this is Neil Young at a protest in DC. 00:10:25.060 --> 00:10:28.210 align:middle line:84% He's getting his pipeline fighter bandana on. 00:10:28.210 --> 00:10:32.950 align:middle line:84% And so we made a poster out of that idea which was kind of fun 00:10:32.950 --> 00:10:35.170 align:middle line:90% and got a lot of people excited. 00:10:35.170 --> 00:10:36.860 align:middle line:84% A lot of people have this poster. 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:39.790 align:middle line:84% And it was a 18 by 24 screen print. 00:10:39.790 --> 00:10:42.170 align:middle line:84% And anybody that was part of the movement and the effort 00:10:42.170 --> 00:10:44.060 align:middle line:84% definitely got it and felt really 00:10:44.060 --> 00:10:46.750 align:middle line:90% stoked when they saw that. 00:10:46.750 --> 00:10:53.480 align:middle line:84% And so posters, as a thing, is they also 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:58.820 align:middle line:84% allow for ways to use what an organization stands for, 00:10:58.820 --> 00:11:01.280 align:middle line:84% to really visualize what they stand for. 00:11:01.280 --> 00:11:04.040 align:middle line:84% Like this, Nebraska Appleseed organization 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:07.200 align:middle line:84% is a nonprofit, non partisan, public interest law firm 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.590 align:middle line:90% who does lots of legal stuff. 00:11:09.590 --> 00:11:12.740 align:middle line:84% And so I started organizing this poster 00:11:12.740 --> 00:11:14.960 align:middle line:84% show to work with a bunch of designers 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:19.970 align:middle line:84% to visualize their core values, the issues that they work on, 00:11:19.970 --> 00:11:23.030 align:middle line:84% the things that are important to the organization. 00:11:23.030 --> 00:11:25.340 align:middle line:84% We screen printed them, we had them 00:11:25.340 --> 00:11:28.190 align:middle line:84% available at their annual fundraising event, 00:11:28.190 --> 00:11:31.627 align:middle line:84% and we sold them to raise money so that the organization could 00:11:31.627 --> 00:11:32.710 align:middle line:90% get some additional funds. 00:11:32.710 --> 00:11:34.543 align:middle line:84% It didn't make a ton of money, but the point 00:11:34.543 --> 00:11:36.500 align:middle line:84% was that it was investing in a way 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:38.600 align:middle line:84% to visually tell the story of the organization 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:41.270 align:middle line:84% and get people inspired about what this organization was 00:11:41.270 --> 00:11:43.550 align:middle line:90% all about. 00:11:43.550 --> 00:11:45.710 align:middle line:84% People bought them, put them in their houses. 00:11:45.710 --> 00:11:47.180 align:middle line:84% We have lots of state senators that 00:11:47.180 --> 00:11:49.370 align:middle line:84% have copies of these posters that are hanging 00:11:49.370 --> 00:11:52.280 align:middle line:90% in their office in the capital. 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:53.750 align:middle line:90% Seen them around lots of places. 00:11:53.750 --> 00:11:55.460 align:middle line:90% So we've done it for-- 00:11:55.460 --> 00:11:57.000 align:middle line:90% I organized it for seven years. 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.800 align:middle line:84% And now it's been organized by another lady for the last two. 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:05.300 align:middle line:84% So definitely just a fun way to bring visuals 00:12:05.300 --> 00:12:10.740 align:middle line:90% and messaging and other ideas-- 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:14.190 align:middle line:84% help them tell their story in a way that a bunch of lawyers 00:12:14.190 --> 00:12:15.310 align:middle line:90% aren't used to doing. 00:12:15.310 --> 00:12:17.790 align:middle line:84% They're used to talking about laws 00:12:17.790 --> 00:12:22.240 align:middle line:84% and trying to make sure that immigrants don't get deported. 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.670 align:middle line:84% And we did a bunch of shows just to bring in the community, 00:12:26.670 --> 00:12:29.917 align:middle line:84% help them reach different audiences. 00:12:29.917 --> 00:12:32.500 align:middle line:84% And the last thing that we did was we pulled them all together 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:33.830 align:middle line:90% and made a book. 00:12:33.830 --> 00:12:36.070 align:middle line:84% So we had seven years of posters for this book. 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:38.170 align:middle line:90% There was about 60 posters. 00:12:38.170 --> 00:12:40.420 align:middle line:84% There were 30 different designers that 00:12:40.420 --> 00:12:42.175 align:middle line:90% were involved over those years. 00:12:42.175 --> 00:12:44.050 align:middle line:84% So it was a nice way to bring it all together 00:12:44.050 --> 00:12:47.170 align:middle line:84% and have this good project that the organization could talk 00:12:47.170 --> 00:12:50.830 align:middle line:84% about with their donors and funders and ways 00:12:50.830 --> 00:12:52.675 align:middle line:84% to build that community presence. 00:12:52.675 --> 00:12:55.690 align:middle line:90% 00:12:55.690 --> 00:13:00.070 align:middle line:84% So aside from working with organizations, 00:13:00.070 --> 00:13:04.510 align:middle line:84% also will work with groups and organizers on art projects. 00:13:04.510 --> 00:13:05.780 align:middle line:90% This one was Manifest Justice. 00:13:05.780 --> 00:13:08.020 align:middle line:90% It was in Los Angeles in 2015. 00:13:08.020 --> 00:13:11.880 align:middle line:84% It was organized after Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson 00:13:11.880 --> 00:13:15.760 align:middle line:84% and several other black men were killed by police. 00:13:15.760 --> 00:13:20.335 align:middle line:84% So this guy, who I had worked with for many years, who 00:13:20.335 --> 00:13:23.020 align:middle line:84% was Shepard Fairey's publicist, and helped 00:13:23.020 --> 00:13:27.670 align:middle line:84% commission the Hope poster in 2008. 00:13:27.670 --> 00:13:31.090 align:middle line:84% And so he became a good contact for working on cool projects 00:13:31.090 --> 00:13:31.590 align:middle line:90% with. 00:13:31.590 --> 00:13:34.630 align:middle line:84% He would do all these big, large-scale art shows. 00:13:34.630 --> 00:13:36.400 align:middle line:84% So this one I did all the branding for 00:13:36.400 --> 00:13:37.950 align:middle line:90% and a bunch of signage. 00:13:37.950 --> 00:13:39.910 align:middle line:84% And he organized all the artists and space 00:13:39.910 --> 00:13:43.067 align:middle line:84% to bring in all these really great, awesome pieces of art. 00:13:43.067 --> 00:13:44.650 align:middle line:84% They had all this cultural programming 00:13:44.650 --> 00:13:48.310 align:middle line:84% where you learned about prison spending and the situations 00:13:48.310 --> 00:13:53.620 align:middle line:84% with private prisons, police brutality, all 00:13:53.620 --> 00:13:57.010 align:middle line:84% of the challenging things that are facing communities 00:13:57.010 --> 00:13:59.350 align:middle line:84% and this idea of like, we've got to organize 00:13:59.350 --> 00:14:04.210 align:middle line:84% around these really heavy issues and do positive things. 00:14:04.210 --> 00:14:06.760 align:middle line:84% This was just a way to bring art into a space 00:14:06.760 --> 00:14:08.830 align:middle line:84% and bring people into space and have 00:14:08.830 --> 00:14:12.583 align:middle line:84% all these organizations talk about what they were doing. 00:14:12.583 --> 00:14:14.000 align:middle line:84% And these are some icons that were 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.260 align:middle line:84% made to talk about the different programming that was going on. 00:14:18.260 --> 00:14:20.900 align:middle line:84% That was a fun, little branding project. 00:14:20.900 --> 00:14:26.150 align:middle line:84% This other organization is in Omaha-- 00:14:26.150 --> 00:14:28.310 align:middle line:84% a very community-focused arts organization. 00:14:28.310 --> 00:14:31.050 align:middle line:84% And so one of the things that has been nice, too, about this, 00:14:31.050 --> 00:14:32.300 align:middle line:90% they have a physical building. 00:14:32.300 --> 00:14:33.925 align:middle line:84% So partnering with them over the years, 00:14:33.925 --> 00:14:38.510 align:middle line:84% we've got to do signage and help the vision of what 00:14:38.510 --> 00:14:40.340 align:middle line:90% Brigitte was all about. 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:41.760 align:middle line:90% Brigitte is amazing. 00:14:41.760 --> 00:14:43.370 align:middle line:84% And so I think working in this space, 00:14:43.370 --> 00:14:45.950 align:middle line:84% too, I meet a lot of great people. 00:14:45.950 --> 00:14:48.043 align:middle line:84% And the idea of working with people who 00:14:48.043 --> 00:14:50.210 align:middle line:84% are really passionate about making their communities 00:14:50.210 --> 00:14:51.020 align:middle line:90% better-- 00:14:51.020 --> 00:14:55.140 align:middle line:84% North Omaha is a historically black community in Omaha, 00:14:55.140 --> 00:14:56.960 align:middle line:90% which is segregated. 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.360 align:middle line:84% They have lacking city services, they 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.350 align:middle line:84% have years, decades of redlining and systemic racism 00:15:03.350 --> 00:15:05.330 align:middle line:84% that has made that community-- presented it 00:15:05.330 --> 00:15:07.610 align:middle line:84% with a lot of challenges because the city has looked 00:15:07.610 --> 00:15:09.830 align:middle line:84% the other way as it has been able to just 00:15:09.830 --> 00:15:12.140 align:middle line:84% deteriorate and not have the investment 00:15:12.140 --> 00:15:15.320 align:middle line:84% and the hip stuff that has happened 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:16.640 align:middle line:90% in other parts of the city. 00:15:16.640 --> 00:15:19.410 align:middle line:84% And so Brigitte is from Detroit, originally. 00:15:19.410 --> 00:15:23.240 align:middle line:84% And she moved here and she started this organization, 00:15:23.240 --> 00:15:25.670 align:middle line:84% put it in North Omaha, and has used the arts 00:15:25.670 --> 00:15:29.210 align:middle line:84% to bring in other parts of the community 00:15:29.210 --> 00:15:31.070 align:middle line:84% and to really push for positive change 00:15:31.070 --> 00:15:33.300 align:middle line:90% in that part of the city. 00:15:33.300 --> 00:15:36.860 align:middle line:84% This was a lot of like-- when we were doing some of the-- 00:15:36.860 --> 00:15:38.450 align:middle line:84% looking at the process of design, 00:15:38.450 --> 00:15:43.100 align:middle line:84% we looked at a lot of the history of the area, and 1963 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.130 align:middle line:84% meeting flyers, how communication 00:15:46.130 --> 00:15:50.100 align:middle line:84% was done back in the day, color tinted paper, big, bold type-- 00:15:50.100 --> 00:15:52.770 align:middle line:84% big, bold type never goes out of style. 00:15:52.770 --> 00:15:55.160 align:middle line:84% And so we used this set of materials 00:15:55.160 --> 00:15:58.425 align:middle line:84% that we did and found in the research part of the process 00:15:58.425 --> 00:16:00.050 align:middle line:84% and informed a lot of the stuff that we 00:16:00.050 --> 00:16:03.140 align:middle line:90% did in terms of event flyers. 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:04.130 align:middle line:90% These are a couple-- 00:16:04.130 --> 00:16:06.350 align:middle line:84% they had art shows every first Friday, 00:16:06.350 --> 00:16:08.780 align:middle line:90% I think, in the beginning. 00:16:08.780 --> 00:16:11.420 align:middle line:84% We did mailers and talked about all the positive stuff that 00:16:11.420 --> 00:16:13.670 align:middle line:84% was happening in the community because a lot of people 00:16:13.670 --> 00:16:16.490 align:middle line:90% didn't know about it. 00:16:16.490 --> 00:16:17.698 align:middle line:90% This was in 2014. 00:16:17.698 --> 00:16:18.740 align:middle line:90% It was a pretty big year. 00:16:18.740 --> 00:16:20.198 align:middle line:84% They had all these artists come in. 00:16:20.198 --> 00:16:21.530 align:middle line:90% They raised some money. 00:16:21.530 --> 00:16:25.550 align:middle line:84% They had a tool library, they had a community garden, 00:16:25.550 --> 00:16:27.320 align:middle line:84% they had a space to come together and have 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:29.690 align:middle line:90% a meal and a conversation-- 00:16:29.690 --> 00:16:33.325 align:middle line:84% just a really positive place, overall, that 00:16:33.325 --> 00:16:34.700 align:middle line:84% has been really good for the city 00:16:34.700 --> 00:16:37.160 align:middle line:84% and bringing different parts of the city into North Omaha, 00:16:37.160 --> 00:16:39.170 align:middle line:90% having North Omaha have-- 00:16:39.170 --> 00:16:42.980 align:middle line:84% getting more investment, getting more positivity, 00:16:42.980 --> 00:16:45.380 align:middle line:84% outreach to the youth, all sorts of really good stuff 00:16:45.380 --> 00:16:49.370 align:middle line:84% that this organization has been able to do. 00:16:49.370 --> 00:16:53.990 align:middle line:84% And then finally, we do some self-initiated projects. 00:16:53.990 --> 00:16:56.000 align:middle line:84% We haven't, really, this year because we've been 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.160 align:middle line:90% so busy with work projects. 00:16:58.160 --> 00:17:00.470 align:middle line:90% But we always try to have-- 00:17:00.470 --> 00:17:03.560 align:middle line:84% me and the network of people that I work with-- 00:17:03.560 --> 00:17:07.339 align:middle line:84% some sort of project that's kind of ours that we're doing. 00:17:07.339 --> 00:17:08.250 align:middle line:90% This is our space. 00:17:08.250 --> 00:17:11.599 align:middle line:84% This is where I'm at right now, under the round and round 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.790 align:middle line:84% sign in historic [? Dundee. ?] This is the office. 00:17:14.790 --> 00:17:16.450 align:middle line:84% This is the old layout of the office. 00:17:16.450 --> 00:17:18.200 align:middle line:84% It's a little different, now, but it still 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:21.762 align:middle line:90% has this basic look. 00:17:21.762 --> 00:17:23.304 align:middle line:84% I drink a lot of coffee in the space. 00:17:23.304 --> 00:17:26.160 align:middle line:90% 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:32.132 align:middle line:84% And so the spaces let us exist in Omaha and work 00:17:32.132 --> 00:17:34.340 align:middle line:84% with a lot of Omaha non-profits and community groups, 00:17:34.340 --> 00:17:35.930 align:middle line:84% but then also do projects out of here. 00:17:35.930 --> 00:17:40.220 align:middle line:84% This was a poster site that we did after 2016 00:17:40.220 --> 00:17:43.790 align:middle line:84% where we basically curated all of the best posters 00:17:43.790 --> 00:17:46.020 align:middle line:84% that we saw online in response to the election 00:17:46.020 --> 00:17:48.290 align:middle line:84% and where we wanted the country to go, and put them 00:17:48.290 --> 00:17:53.330 align:middle line:84% on a site for easy access for people to either download them, 00:17:53.330 --> 00:17:55.650 align:middle line:90% buy them, share them. 00:17:55.650 --> 00:17:58.850 align:middle line:84% So these were just some of those collection of posters 00:17:58.850 --> 00:18:01.580 align:middle line:84% just from people all over that were making posters in response 00:18:01.580 --> 00:18:03.470 align:middle line:90% to the situation. 00:18:03.470 --> 00:18:07.850 align:middle line:84% There's a lot of creative response to terrible times 00:18:07.850 --> 00:18:11.300 align:middle line:84% and so a lot of good art because the times 00:18:11.300 --> 00:18:12.620 align:middle line:90% have been so terrible. 00:18:12.620 --> 00:18:16.130 align:middle line:84% This was a series of posters that I 00:18:16.130 --> 00:18:18.920 align:middle line:84% was doing as a response to really specific things 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:23.660 align:middle line:84% in the news that we called B.S. [? was ?] around gun violence. 00:18:23.660 --> 00:18:28.100 align:middle line:84% "You are not alone" was a mental health-focused poster strike 00:18:28.100 --> 00:18:30.580 align:middle line:84% for unions who were striking for rights. 00:18:30.580 --> 00:18:33.650 align:middle line:84% "Yes we care" was an immigration-focused thing. 00:18:33.650 --> 00:18:38.060 align:middle line:84% Some of these you had to be following news to get. 00:18:38.060 --> 00:18:39.140 align:middle line:90% And then, yeah. 00:18:39.140 --> 00:18:42.180 align:middle line:84% The poster is definitely-- this was about gerrymandering. 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:44.510 align:middle line:90% This was about global warming. 00:18:44.510 --> 00:18:47.880 align:middle line:84% Of all the projects that are going on, 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.390 align:middle line:84% the poster is a great way to lend some time. 00:18:52.390 --> 00:18:55.890 align:middle line:84% So this was a planned parenthood poster 00:18:55.890 --> 00:18:57.930 align:middle line:84% that I did pro bono, paid for the printing. 00:18:57.930 --> 00:18:59.347 align:middle line:84% And then they had it auctioned off 00:18:59.347 --> 00:19:00.660 align:middle line:90% and sold to raise some money. 00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:07.200 align:middle line:84% But it's a good way in this space of making visual content 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:09.990 align:middle line:84% and sharing it online, in person-- 00:19:09.990 --> 00:19:15.300 align:middle line:84% trying to get messages out there and moving the needle, 00:19:15.300 --> 00:19:16.020 align:middle line:90% in a way. 00:19:16.020 --> 00:19:17.580 align:middle line:84% This is the great Ernie Chambers. 00:19:17.580 --> 00:19:21.338 align:middle line:84% He is term-limited, again, in our state legislature. 00:19:21.338 --> 00:19:22.380 align:middle line:90% He's from Northern Omaha. 00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:26.250 align:middle line:84% He has been fighting to stop the death penalty for decades. 00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:30.420 align:middle line:84% He's just a rad guy who has inspired lots of young people 00:19:30.420 --> 00:19:32.100 align:middle line:90% to run for office. 00:19:32.100 --> 00:19:35.340 align:middle line:84% Nebraska has a lot of young millennials 00:19:35.340 --> 00:19:38.670 align:middle line:84% who actually serve in the state legislature which is awesome. 00:19:38.670 --> 00:19:43.470 align:middle line:84% And so as the old guard of progressive leaders 00:19:43.470 --> 00:19:45.720 align:middle line:84% steps aside, we [? do ?] feel like we have 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:47.780 align:middle line:90% some good young ones coming in. 00:19:47.780 --> 00:19:52.020 align:middle line:84% And so really, I think that design is 00:19:52.020 --> 00:19:53.460 align:middle line:90% pretty applicable to anything. 00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:54.930 align:middle line:84% And I feel very fortunate that I've 00:19:54.930 --> 00:19:57.300 align:middle line:84% been able to apply it to the things I've applied it to. 00:19:57.300 --> 00:19:59.685 align:middle line:84% And really, I think graphic design breaks it 00:19:59.685 --> 00:20:01.680 align:middle line:90% down and shouts it out loud. 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.170 align:middle line:84% The message that it shouts can be anything, really. 00:20:04.170 --> 00:20:08.640 align:middle line:84% And that's up to you, the maker, or the designer, or the artist. 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.410 align:middle line:90% Whatever you want to be. 00:20:10.410 --> 00:20:15.108 align:middle line:84% And this is all coming together in the last 10 years. 00:20:15.108 --> 00:20:17.650 align:middle line:84% I decided that I wanted to make a book about all the projects 00:20:17.650 --> 00:20:19.080 align:middle line:90% that had been worked on. 00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:22.930 align:middle line:84% And so these are the five tenants, or categories, 00:20:22.930 --> 00:20:26.890 align:middle line:84% that all the work fit in as the type of work 00:20:26.890 --> 00:20:29.380 align:middle line:84% that I wanted to make when I set out and was 00:20:29.380 --> 00:20:32.555 align:middle line:84% guided by the idea of having a career that-- 00:20:32.555 --> 00:20:34.830 align:middle line:84% I could be free to choose what I wanted to do. 00:20:34.830 --> 00:20:36.440 align:middle line:84% I wanted to work on things that work 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:39.760 align:middle line:84% in the cause of social change, social justice. 00:20:39.760 --> 00:20:41.560 align:middle line:84% I wanted to work within a community 00:20:41.560 --> 00:20:43.870 align:middle line:84% and work for the community in a way, 00:20:43.870 --> 00:20:51.160 align:middle line:84% and then use design to push ideas and use it as a power, 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.248 align:middle line:90% as a tool, to make change. 00:20:53.248 --> 00:20:54.790 align:middle line:84% And then [? I ?] mean graphic design, 00:20:54.790 --> 00:20:56.845 align:middle line:84% you can have a lot of fun with it. 00:20:56.845 --> 00:20:58.750 align:middle line:90% You can be very hopeful with it. 00:20:58.750 --> 00:21:01.420 align:middle line:90% And so the book is almost done. 00:21:01.420 --> 00:21:03.370 align:middle line:84% Again, I've been too busy to finish it. 00:21:03.370 --> 00:21:06.320 align:middle line:84% But we'll have it out there at some point. 00:21:06.320 --> 00:21:06.880 align:middle line:90% So, yeah. 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:11.502 align:middle line:84% That is a very fast 75 slides of stuff. 00:21:11.502 --> 00:21:12.460 align:middle line:90% REBECCA TRAWICK: Great. 00:21:12.460 --> 00:21:14.440 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Justin. 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.960 align:middle line:84% So a large number of our attendees 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:21.460 align:middle line:84% today are members of the AIGA student club. 00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:24.580 align:middle line:84% So as you all know, you've already 00:21:24.580 --> 00:21:27.250 align:middle line:90% sent your questions to us. 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:29.650 align:middle line:84% And so Andy will read through those. 00:21:29.650 --> 00:21:31.450 align:middle line:84% But of course, if you want to ask 00:21:31.450 --> 00:21:35.470 align:middle line:84% in-person or with your own voice, by all means, 00:21:35.470 --> 00:21:36.970 align:middle line:84% you're more than welcome to do that. 00:21:36.970 --> 00:21:39.190 align:middle line:90% So we can start with Andy and-- 00:21:39.190 --> 00:21:42.370 align:middle line:84% but y'all jump in or raise your hand if you'd like to, also, 00:21:42.370 --> 00:21:44.470 align:middle line:84% ask a question or if something else came up during 00:21:44.470 --> 00:21:45.310 align:middle line:90% the presentation. 00:21:45.310 --> 00:21:48.822 align:middle line:90% 00:21:48.822 --> 00:21:51.280 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: As Rebecca said, there are plenty of questions. 00:21:51.280 --> 00:21:54.310 align:middle line:84% And those of you who are in the audience, please feel free. 00:21:54.310 --> 00:21:56.062 align:middle line:84% But we do have one, actually, in the chat, 00:21:56.062 --> 00:21:57.520 align:middle line:84% I think is very important before we 00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:59.270 align:middle line:84% get to a lot of graphic design questions-- 00:21:59.270 --> 00:22:03.770 align:middle line:84% is, what was the name of your punk band? 00:22:03.770 --> 00:22:04.270 align:middle line:90% I'm sorry. 00:22:04.270 --> 00:22:07.480 align:middle line:84% That's from [? Trevon ?] Carroll. 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:10.295 align:middle line:84% JUSTIN KEMERLING: It was called-- 00:22:10.295 --> 00:22:11.170 align:middle line:90% it had several names. 00:22:11.170 --> 00:22:13.700 align:middle line:84% It was called Hootenanny, it was called M80, 00:22:13.700 --> 00:22:15.830 align:middle line:84% and then it was called Rocket FM. 00:22:15.830 --> 00:22:18.190 align:middle line:90% those were the names. 00:22:18.190 --> 00:22:22.050 align:middle line:90% The thing about the punk band-- 00:22:22.050 --> 00:22:25.470 align:middle line:84% being creative, I think you go through a process 00:22:25.470 --> 00:22:28.360 align:middle line:90% where you're terrible. 00:22:28.360 --> 00:22:32.280 align:middle line:84% but it [? is ?] the spectrum it applies, right? 00:22:32.280 --> 00:22:34.980 align:middle line:84% So I think I worked out a lot of the terrible ideas 00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:35.970 align:middle line:90% in that punk band. 00:22:35.970 --> 00:22:38.250 align:middle line:84% And then it wasn't like I was starting over 00:22:38.250 --> 00:22:39.600 align:middle line:90% with terrible ideas in design. 00:22:39.600 --> 00:22:42.060 align:middle line:84% It was like I could apply those like, oh, look 00:22:42.060 --> 00:22:44.310 align:middle line:84% at all this bad shit we did when we were in this band. 00:22:44.310 --> 00:22:47.110 align:middle line:84% Let's not make those mistakes, again. 00:22:47.110 --> 00:22:47.610 align:middle line:90% So, yeah. 00:22:47.610 --> 00:22:48.518 align:middle line:90% Just as an aside. 00:22:48.518 --> 00:22:49.560 align:middle line:90% But those were the names. 00:22:49.560 --> 00:22:52.230 align:middle line:90% 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:54.930 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: This is my question, following up on that. 00:22:54.930 --> 00:22:56.430 align:middle line:90% Is that where you started? 00:22:56.430 --> 00:22:58.710 align:middle line:84% Is that the turning point, you feel, 00:22:58.710 --> 00:23:00.960 align:middle line:84% when you were in this punk band that kind of 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.632 align:middle line:84% brought you into this social awareness? 00:23:03.632 --> 00:23:04.590 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:23:04.590 --> 00:23:05.190 align:middle line:90% It was. 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:06.600 align:middle line:90% Definitely. 00:23:06.600 --> 00:23:10.290 align:middle line:84% In Lincoln, which is a college town, 00:23:10.290 --> 00:23:14.970 align:middle line:84% there were just lots of politics in the scene of kids 00:23:14.970 --> 00:23:16.380 align:middle line:90% that went to those shows. 00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:21.810 align:middle line:84% There were lots of food activists and sustainability 00:23:21.810 --> 00:23:22.560 align:middle line:90% activists. 00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:27.540 align:middle line:84% There was lots of anti-war kids, anti death penalty kids. 00:23:27.540 --> 00:23:31.620 align:middle line:84% There was a very notable Black Panther case 00:23:31.620 --> 00:23:35.280 align:middle line:90% from the 80s in Omaha. 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:38.310 align:middle line:84% And there was lots of organizing around trying to get 00:23:38.310 --> 00:23:39.700 align:middle line:90% this case looked at again. 00:23:39.700 --> 00:23:43.000 align:middle line:84% So there was specific Nebraska issues that-- 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.330 align:middle line:84% I was just from a small town and I didn't really 00:23:45.330 --> 00:23:46.380 align:middle line:90% know much about stuff. 00:23:46.380 --> 00:23:49.260 align:middle line:84% So we were exposed to lots of activism and kids 00:23:49.260 --> 00:23:54.270 align:middle line:84% who were engaged and just a lot more worldly 00:23:54.270 --> 00:23:57.090 align:middle line:84% and just into trying to do stuff with the music 00:23:57.090 --> 00:23:59.520 align:middle line:84% and then just organizing outside of the scene of kids 00:23:59.520 --> 00:24:01.980 align:middle line:84% into some of the non-profit organizations that 00:24:01.980 --> 00:24:04.650 align:middle line:90% were in the city. 00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:07.050 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: So following up on that, 00:24:07.050 --> 00:24:10.755 align:middle line:84% from [? Cabrina ?] [? Alviar, ?] she has a question. 00:24:10.755 --> 00:24:14.390 align:middle line:90% 00:24:14.390 --> 00:24:16.360 align:middle line:84% How do you start looking for non-profit work? 00:24:16.360 --> 00:24:20.660 align:middle line:84% And what are some reputable nonprofit-- 00:24:20.660 --> 00:24:21.340 align:middle line:90% I'm sorry. 00:24:21.340 --> 00:24:22.990 align:middle line:90% I'm saying that wrong. 00:24:22.990 --> 00:24:26.650 align:middle line:84% How do you find these reputable organizations? 00:24:26.650 --> 00:24:29.110 align:middle line:84% Are you just going after what you're passionate about? 00:24:29.110 --> 00:24:33.972 align:middle line:84% Or are you really digging in and searching for them? 00:24:33.972 --> 00:24:34.930 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:24:34.930 --> 00:24:41.308 align:middle line:84% Initially it helped to know kids who 00:24:41.308 --> 00:24:43.350 align:middle line:84% were like, oh, I volunteer for this organization. 00:24:43.350 --> 00:24:45.340 align:middle line:90% Or oh, I'm going to this rally. 00:24:45.340 --> 00:24:47.790 align:middle line:84% Or I support this organization or I know 00:24:47.790 --> 00:24:50.500 align:middle line:90% that someone who works there. 00:24:50.500 --> 00:24:56.390 align:middle line:84% Like the Nebraska Appleseed projects, they approached me, 00:24:56.390 --> 00:24:58.710 align:middle line:84% but it was a kid that we used to go to shows together. 00:24:58.710 --> 00:25:00.780 align:middle line:84% He's the development coordinator there, now, 00:25:00.780 --> 00:25:02.490 align:middle line:84% and tries to raise money for them. 00:25:02.490 --> 00:25:05.610 align:middle line:84% And so he knew I wanted to use design 00:25:05.610 --> 00:25:06.902 align:middle line:90% in a way with issues and stuff. 00:25:06.902 --> 00:25:08.818 align:middle line:84% And he's like, [? we ?] work on all this stuff 00:25:08.818 --> 00:25:11.010 align:middle line:84% and we're terrible with telling people about it. 00:25:11.010 --> 00:25:12.677 align:middle line:84% Maybe we do it [? with like ?] something 00:25:12.677 --> 00:25:14.670 align:middle line:90% that we can use designs. 00:25:14.670 --> 00:25:18.270 align:middle line:84% So we both came up with the idea of the poster show. 00:25:18.270 --> 00:25:22.440 align:middle line:84% And so I knew him, I trusted him. 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.840 align:middle line:84% Through him, I found the organization 00:25:24.840 --> 00:25:26.850 align:middle line:84% that he was a part of was really cool. 00:25:26.850 --> 00:25:31.860 align:middle line:84% And so I think going back to the size of Omaha, too-- and Omaha, 00:25:31.860 --> 00:25:33.150 align:middle line:90% Lincoln-- 00:25:33.150 --> 00:25:36.780 align:middle line:84% it's not super big where you can get lost in it. 00:25:36.780 --> 00:25:39.520 align:middle line:84% But it's not small where nothing's happening 00:25:39.520 --> 00:25:42.150 align:middle line:90% on a large enough scale. 00:25:42.150 --> 00:25:43.560 align:middle line:84% Because Nebraska Appleseed-- it's 00:25:43.560 --> 00:25:45.660 align:middle line:84% not like they have huge budgets, but they 00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.210 align:middle line:84% have money to spend on marketing and communications 00:25:48.210 --> 00:25:52.740 align:middle line:84% and development, making sure that they're getting membership 00:25:52.740 --> 00:25:55.050 align:middle line:84% and people to get engaged with legislation 00:25:55.050 --> 00:25:58.760 align:middle line:90% they're trying to pass, so. 00:25:58.760 --> 00:26:01.810 align:middle line:84% There's money that goes to communications people. 00:26:01.810 --> 00:26:04.550 align:middle line:84% They're going to try to get a petition drive happen, 00:26:04.550 --> 00:26:07.410 align:middle line:84% you need to pay people to get signups, 00:26:07.410 --> 00:26:11.380 align:middle line:84% you need to pay people to get how that gets all packaged 00:26:11.380 --> 00:26:11.880 align:middle line:90% and stuff. 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.570 align:middle line:84% So design is just a part of all that mix 00:26:14.570 --> 00:26:19.910 align:middle line:84% of messaging and getting your message out to the people 00:26:19.910 --> 00:26:21.800 align:middle line:90% that you want to care. 00:26:21.800 --> 00:26:24.472 align:middle line:90% 00:26:24.472 --> 00:26:26.930 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: Maybe on the topic of getting that message out, 00:26:26.930 --> 00:26:30.530 align:middle line:84% I have a question from [? Alast ?] [INAUDIBLE].. 00:26:30.530 --> 00:26:33.380 align:middle line:84% She says, in today's world when we 00:26:33.380 --> 00:26:36.170 align:middle line:84% are exposed to so much stimuli and information, 00:26:36.170 --> 00:26:39.950 align:middle line:84% how can we use design to cut through this inundation 00:26:39.950 --> 00:26:42.050 align:middle line:84% and apathy or, essentially, cutting 00:26:42.050 --> 00:26:44.220 align:middle line:90% through the noise, if you will? 00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:45.290 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:26:45.290 --> 00:26:47.570 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:26:47.570 --> 00:26:48.440 align:middle line:90% I wish I knew that. 00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:51.175 align:middle line:90% 00:26:51.175 --> 00:26:52.550 align:middle line:84% When I was in school, they always 00:26:52.550 --> 00:26:58.830 align:middle line:84% talked about you see like 3,500 messages a day. 00:26:58.830 --> 00:27:01.360 align:middle line:84% I mean, now with social media, I don't know if that-- 00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:03.425 align:middle line:90% I've not seen a new stat. 00:27:03.425 --> 00:27:05.050 align:middle line:84% But you're always going to be inundated 00:27:05.050 --> 00:27:08.860 align:middle line:90% with being sold something. 00:27:08.860 --> 00:27:12.516 align:middle line:84% And so I think in my mind I'm like, well, 00:27:12.516 --> 00:27:17.230 align:middle line:84% design is used to sell stuff or push ideas. 00:27:17.230 --> 00:27:19.430 align:middle line:84% We just need more of the other kind. 00:27:19.430 --> 00:27:23.140 align:middle line:84% We live in a consumer society, which is all fine and good 00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:23.980 align:middle line:90% to some extent. 00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:29.740 align:middle line:84% But if there is just more of the type of design 00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:35.260 align:middle line:84% that is advocating for a more just, sustainable world, 00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:38.110 align:middle line:84% I think that is the type of work that I 00:27:38.110 --> 00:27:39.340 align:middle line:90% think is really interesting. 00:27:39.340 --> 00:27:46.560 align:middle line:84% Then it just comes down to like, well, how does the work look? 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:48.620 align:middle line:84% You have good design, you have bad design, 00:27:48.620 --> 00:27:51.840 align:middle line:84% you design that's done by really talented people, you 00:27:51.840 --> 00:27:52.620 align:middle line:90% design that's not. 00:27:52.620 --> 00:27:54.720 align:middle line:90% You have trend design. 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:59.940 align:middle line:84% But the idea of like, how do you reach who you want to reach? 00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:01.750 align:middle line:84% Then it comes down to target audience. 00:28:01.750 --> 00:28:02.370 align:middle line:90% Is it older? 00:28:02.370 --> 00:28:03.450 align:middle line:90% Is it younger? 00:28:03.450 --> 00:28:09.720 align:middle line:84% Is it the internet age of design that there's 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.290 align:middle line:90% lots of memes and gifs? 00:28:12.290 --> 00:28:14.570 align:middle line:84% I mean, I worked for the Obama campaign. 00:28:14.570 --> 00:28:17.525 align:middle line:90% And at that time, it was-- 00:28:17.525 --> 00:28:20.890 align:middle line:84% I don't know if that was the first election with Twitter 00:28:20.890 --> 00:28:22.280 align:middle line:90% in 2012. 00:28:22.280 --> 00:28:25.220 align:middle line:90% I wasn't involved in 2008. 00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:28.130 align:middle line:84% But the graphics that we were pushing out, 00:28:28.130 --> 00:28:31.850 align:middle line:84% we made them all textured and layered and gritty. 00:28:31.850 --> 00:28:35.510 align:middle line:84% And they all were targeted, specifically, 00:28:35.510 --> 00:28:40.730 align:middle line:84% to either women or Latino voters. 00:28:40.730 --> 00:28:43.760 align:middle line:84% And we had specific things that we were trying to do. 00:28:43.760 --> 00:28:48.140 align:middle line:84% And it just looked different because everything 00:28:48.140 --> 00:28:49.280 align:middle line:90% in that apparatus-- 00:28:49.280 --> 00:28:52.143 align:middle line:84% Facebook, at the time, was super flat. 00:28:52.143 --> 00:28:54.560 align:middle line:84% And so you have some stuff that was-- it was like a-- just 00:28:54.560 --> 00:28:56.018 align:middle line:84% like a thing like, well, let's just 00:28:56.018 --> 00:28:59.840 align:middle line:84% make everything layered and textured so it stands out more. 00:28:59.840 --> 00:29:03.590 align:middle line:84% So you start to think about the actual ways 00:29:03.590 --> 00:29:04.750 align:middle line:90% that you execute design. 00:29:04.750 --> 00:29:09.570 align:middle line:90% 00:29:09.570 --> 00:29:12.940 align:middle line:84% That's why I think it's helpful to be connected to both worlds, 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:14.860 align:middle line:84% where you have the design community like, 00:29:14.860 --> 00:29:16.960 align:middle line:84% oh, now we're talking about responsive web design. 00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.418 align:middle line:84% And everything's flat because everything's got to load fast 00:29:19.418 --> 00:29:21.270 align:middle line:84% and everything has to look good on a phone. 00:29:21.270 --> 00:29:23.520 align:middle line:84% And then you have the activist community 00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:25.070 align:middle line:90% of like, what messages resonate. 00:29:25.070 --> 00:29:27.150 align:middle line:84% And the generational stuff is becoming 00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:32.420 align:middle line:84% such a like, how do you communicate with baby boomers? 00:29:32.420 --> 00:29:34.000 align:middle line:90% Like OK, boomer. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.430 align:middle line:84% All of these cultural things and digs. 00:29:37.430 --> 00:29:41.930 align:middle line:84% And then there's the aspects of trolling and the far-right. 00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:43.130 align:middle line:90% I think it's crazy. 00:29:43.130 --> 00:29:46.518 align:middle line:84% But how do you reach through all of that? 00:29:46.518 --> 00:29:48.560 align:middle line:84% It always comes back to like, who's your audience 00:29:48.560 --> 00:29:49.910 align:middle line:90% and who are your supporters? 00:29:49.910 --> 00:29:51.710 align:middle line:90% If you're a organization-- 00:29:51.710 --> 00:29:53.270 align:middle line:84% I'm working with an organization now 00:29:53.270 --> 00:29:56.210 align:middle line:84% that has lots of Instagram followers. 00:29:56.210 --> 00:29:57.410 align:middle line:90% They're younger. 00:29:57.410 --> 00:30:01.600 align:middle line:90% And so I am working for them. 00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:05.120 align:middle line:84% They have their vision of what they want their self look like. 00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:09.310 align:middle line:84% So we kind of steer the design to make sure 00:30:09.310 --> 00:30:13.030 align:middle line:84% that they're excited about it and their image is 00:30:13.030 --> 00:30:16.950 align:middle line:84% what they're presenting and want to put out there. 00:30:16.950 --> 00:30:20.880 align:middle line:84% How that kind of reaches people kind of 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:22.850 align:middle line:90% remains to be seen in terms of-- 00:30:22.850 --> 00:30:25.240 align:middle line:84% we've gone through the infographics craze 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.210 align:middle line:90% of all this illustrated data. 00:30:29.210 --> 00:30:30.830 align:middle line:90% And then now gifs-- 00:30:30.830 --> 00:30:33.618 align:middle line:84% that guy, Yossi, that I was working with-- 00:30:33.618 --> 00:30:35.160 align:middle line:84% we did the Manifest Justice campaign. 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:40.460 align:middle line:84% He's all into memes and gifs and making everything move now. 00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:43.720 align:middle line:84% I think everybody is just trying to reach something 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:48.686 align:middle line:84% and trying to get that like, click or donate, which-- 00:30:48.686 --> 00:30:51.590 align:middle line:84% [? I don't ?] know, ultimately, if that's a great goal. 00:30:51.590 --> 00:30:54.920 align:middle line:84% But its the goal that's to be had [? at this ?] moment. 00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:56.900 align:middle line:90% Hopefully it changes. 00:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.830 align:middle line:84% I mean, I haven't seen a physical poster, aside 00:31:00.830 --> 00:31:03.890 align:middle line:84% from the ones that we have in our space, in a while 00:31:03.890 --> 00:31:06.740 align:middle line:90% aside from my Instagram. 00:31:06.740 --> 00:31:09.722 align:middle line:84% The square is the new screenprint. 00:31:09.722 --> 00:31:12.862 align:middle line:90% 00:31:12.862 --> 00:31:14.570 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: Which is funny because things 00:31:14.570 --> 00:31:16.970 align:middle line:90% used to be in a square. 00:31:16.970 --> 00:31:20.900 align:middle line:84% When [? we were ?] talking about digital formats, like the TV, 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:22.140 align:middle line:90% used to be a square. 00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:23.265 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Oh, yeah. 00:31:23.265 --> 00:31:25.715 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: Now it's kind of circling back. 00:31:25.715 --> 00:31:27.590 align:middle line:84% Kind of going off that-- you may have already 00:31:27.590 --> 00:31:32.420 align:middle line:84% answered this question-- but from Devin Gonzalez, when 00:31:32.420 --> 00:31:35.780 align:middle line:84% presenting work to a client, do you separate your activism work 00:31:35.780 --> 00:31:37.400 align:middle line:90% from your more corporate work? 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.097 align:middle line:90% Or is it all just together? 00:31:40.097 --> 00:31:42.680 align:middle line:84% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah, I don't really have any corporate work 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.300 align:middle line:90% anymore. 00:31:44.300 --> 00:31:45.405 align:middle line:90% It's all in some way-- 00:31:45.405 --> 00:31:48.238 align:middle line:90% 00:31:48.238 --> 00:31:49.030 align:middle line:90% if people want to-- 00:31:49.030 --> 00:31:51.560 align:middle line:90% 00:31:51.560 --> 00:31:53.670 align:middle line:84% well, I had a regular advertising 00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:55.680 align:middle line:84% for like seven years where I learned 00:31:55.680 --> 00:31:59.490 align:middle line:84% how to work in the business of this, working with printers, 00:31:59.490 --> 00:32:02.700 align:middle line:84% working with developers, working in teams 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:07.410 align:middle line:84% with a [? counselor, ?] copywriters, traffic managers, 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:10.585 align:middle line:90% the workflow of the day to day. 00:32:10.585 --> 00:32:12.710 align:middle line:84% Because I didn't really go to a good design school. 00:32:12.710 --> 00:32:16.040 align:middle line:90% And so that experience-- 00:32:16.040 --> 00:32:18.230 align:middle line:84% I learned how to do the mechanics 00:32:18.230 --> 00:32:20.510 align:middle line:90% of a career in graphic design. 00:32:20.510 --> 00:32:22.940 align:middle line:90% But when I left, I was doing-- 00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:24.510 align:middle line:90% I basically had two jobs. 00:32:24.510 --> 00:32:26.410 align:middle line:90% It was like the 9 to 5 job. 00:32:26.410 --> 00:32:28.440 align:middle line:84% And thankfully, it was pretty much 9 to 5. 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:33.560 align:middle line:84% It wasn't like a "work until you die" kind of ad agency 00:32:33.560 --> 00:32:35.570 align:middle line:90% like some are. 00:32:35.570 --> 00:32:36.560 align:middle line:90% So I would work 9 to 5. 00:32:36.560 --> 00:32:38.477 align:middle line:84% And I would come home and I would work, maybe, 00:32:38.477 --> 00:32:41.818 align:middle line:84% six hours on my own stuff or stuff 00:32:41.818 --> 00:32:43.610 align:middle line:84% with non-profits that I was just like, hey, 00:32:43.610 --> 00:32:45.235 align:middle line:84% I'll make these flyers for you for free 00:32:45.235 --> 00:32:47.920 align:middle line:84% or give me a couple hundred bucks and I'll do a logo. 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.310 align:middle line:84% Or I'll do your website and maintain your website. 00:32:50.310 --> 00:32:52.460 align:middle line:84% And so I was doing all this other stuff 00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:55.200 align:middle line:84% that just kept spiraling and growing 00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.580 align:middle line:84% because I wanted to be a community activist designer 00:32:58.580 --> 00:33:01.550 align:middle line:84% and be the person that community organizations came to 00:33:01.550 --> 00:33:03.290 align:middle line:90% for design stuff. 00:33:03.290 --> 00:33:07.490 align:middle line:84% And doing that long enough, I had enough work 00:33:07.490 --> 00:33:10.560 align:middle line:84% to just be like, OK, I'm going to go do my own thing. 00:33:10.560 --> 00:33:12.380 align:middle line:84% And I'm just going to show this work. 00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:13.850 align:middle line:84% This is the type of work that I want to do. 00:33:13.850 --> 00:33:15.230 align:middle line:84% So I didn't have a portfolio that 00:33:15.230 --> 00:33:17.090 align:middle line:84% had any of my other corporate stuff 00:33:17.090 --> 00:33:18.920 align:middle line:84% because I didn't want to do any of that. 00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.640 align:middle line:84% And this Bold Nebraska project, which was the pipeline fighter 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:27.740 align:middle line:90% project, happened at that time. 00:33:27.740 --> 00:33:29.270 align:middle line:90% Timing, really, was everything. 00:33:29.270 --> 00:33:33.800 align:middle line:84% It seemed like lots of people contacted me that had been-- 00:33:33.800 --> 00:33:37.270 align:middle line:84% either saw stuff or they were starting things 00:33:37.270 --> 00:33:38.440 align:middle line:90% and timing was just right. 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.140 align:middle line:84% And so I was working with Participant Media, 00:33:41.140 --> 00:33:43.010 align:middle line:90% who's out in Los Angeles. 00:33:43.010 --> 00:33:45.500 align:middle line:90% And then Startup in Omaha. 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:48.600 align:middle line:84% Did Eli Pariser's TED Talk slides. 00:33:48.600 --> 00:33:51.050 align:middle line:84% That was a project that I had early on. 00:33:51.050 --> 00:33:55.190 align:middle line:84% And that world of people just kind of-- 00:33:55.190 --> 00:33:57.010 align:middle line:84% seems like everybody knows everybody else. 00:33:57.010 --> 00:33:59.890 align:middle line:84% And so just through contacts and networks, 00:33:59.890 --> 00:34:01.170 align:middle line:90% the work just kept going. 00:34:01.170 --> 00:34:03.860 align:middle line:90% 00:34:03.860 --> 00:34:06.220 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: So you mentioned you had to start somewhere. 00:34:06.220 --> 00:34:07.490 align:middle line:90% You know, you have to-- 00:34:07.490 --> 00:34:10.469 align:middle line:84% you had to make money in the beginning, I'm assuming. 00:34:10.469 --> 00:34:12.870 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: [INAUDIBLE]. 00:34:12.870 --> 00:34:15.398 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: A question from Vanessa Hernandez-- she asks, 00:34:15.398 --> 00:34:16.940 align:middle line:84% how do you make sure you're not being 00:34:16.940 --> 00:34:20.540 align:middle line:84% taken advantage of as a designer, maybe, starting out 00:34:20.540 --> 00:34:21.650 align:middle line:90% at least? 00:34:21.650 --> 00:34:23.000 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.920 align:middle line:90% I think it's good to get-- 00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.650 align:middle line:90% 00:34:27.650 --> 00:34:30.560 align:middle line:84% I mean, having an agency job experience was 00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:32.929 align:middle line:84% good to understand how to work with people when it comes 00:34:32.929 --> 00:34:36.170 align:middle line:84% to money and projects and formulating 00:34:36.170 --> 00:34:39.170 align:middle line:84% some kind of formal documents and statements 00:34:39.170 --> 00:34:44.005 align:middle line:84% of work, what your invoice is, how you scope this product. 00:34:44.005 --> 00:34:44.755 align:middle line:90% This is the scope. 00:34:44.755 --> 00:34:46.380 align:middle line:90% This is what I'm going to do. 00:34:46.380 --> 00:34:47.880 align:middle line:84% This is how long it's going to take. 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:49.969 align:middle line:84% I'm going to do three rounds of revision. 00:34:49.969 --> 00:34:51.679 align:middle line:90% You will get four options. 00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.440 align:middle line:84% Even the very tactile things, which I really like doing-- 00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.560 align:middle line:84% just mechanics [? on ?] how to make a design project happen-- 00:34:57.560 --> 00:35:00.770 align:middle line:84% which get more complicated with websites and planning 00:35:00.770 --> 00:35:03.193 align:middle line:84% and their site map, wireframes, design, 00:35:03.193 --> 00:35:04.610 align:middle line:84% and there's development resources. 00:35:04.610 --> 00:35:10.100 align:middle line:84% And so being very clear up-front about everything that happens. 00:35:10.100 --> 00:35:11.240 align:middle line:90% Now 00:35:11.240 --> 00:35:14.420 align:middle line:84% I'm in that spot where I've been doing this long enough where 00:35:14.420 --> 00:35:16.310 align:middle line:84% it's like, there's a certain mountain. 00:35:16.310 --> 00:35:18.560 align:middle line:84% People think you know what you're doing because you're 00:35:18.560 --> 00:35:22.320 align:middle line:90% 40, which isn't always true. 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:26.570 align:middle line:84% And it is a lot easier to take advantage of younger designers. 00:35:26.570 --> 00:35:29.320 align:middle line:84% Thankfully, I never got taken advantage of, personally. 00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:30.510 align:middle line:90% I know people that have. 00:35:30.510 --> 00:35:31.190 align:middle line:90% And it sucks. 00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:33.780 align:middle line:90% It is not cool at all. 00:35:33.780 --> 00:35:38.130 align:middle line:84% There are some people that I just can't believe-- 00:35:38.130 --> 00:35:43.530 align:middle line:84% not getting paid or just being jerks. 00:35:43.530 --> 00:35:49.830 align:middle line:84% So it's tough because you want to make sure that-- 00:35:49.830 --> 00:35:54.270 align:middle line:84% [? your ?] projects where, OK, you should pay me 50% upfront. 00:35:54.270 --> 00:35:55.980 align:middle line:84% When it's done, I deliver all the files 00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:57.730 align:middle line:90% and you pay me the rest. 00:35:57.730 --> 00:36:01.930 align:middle line:84% Even just getting down how you want your payments to go. 00:36:01.930 --> 00:36:07.180 align:middle line:84% And AIG has lots of resources in terms of getting paid, 00:36:07.180 --> 00:36:09.190 align:middle line:84% making sure you're behaving ethically 00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:12.820 align:middle line:84% as a designer, your coaching and inspecting 00:36:12.820 --> 00:36:16.560 align:middle line:84% your client on how to behave and act ethically with designers. 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.600 align:middle line:90% Or it's like, this is your work. 00:36:18.600 --> 00:36:20.600 align:middle line:84% This is your time that you're putting into this. 00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:21.770 align:middle line:90% You should get paid for this. 00:36:21.770 --> 00:36:24.103 align:middle line:84% It's not like, you only get paid if I like what you did. 00:36:24.103 --> 00:36:26.550 align:middle line:90% That's not how it works. 00:36:26.550 --> 00:36:28.600 align:middle line:84% And then you get into like, I charge hourly. 00:36:28.600 --> 00:36:29.680 align:middle line:90% I charge by the project. 00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:30.350 align:middle line:90% I do logos. 00:36:30.350 --> 00:36:31.540 align:middle line:90% This is how much this is. 00:36:31.540 --> 00:36:32.400 align:middle line:90% I do a website. 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:34.293 align:middle line:90% This is how much this is. 00:36:34.293 --> 00:36:35.710 align:middle line:84% And I think just as long as you're 00:36:35.710 --> 00:36:38.550 align:middle line:84% upfront about that, that helps the process. 00:36:38.550 --> 00:36:43.600 align:middle line:84% And sometimes you're just like, I'm getting this vibe from you 00:36:43.600 --> 00:36:47.718 align:middle line:84% and I don't think we're going to be a good fit working together. 00:36:47.718 --> 00:36:50.260 align:middle line:84% It's easier to do when you have work because you can be like, 00:36:50.260 --> 00:36:51.718 align:middle line:84% this is the type of work that I do. 00:36:51.718 --> 00:36:52.790 align:middle line:90% This is my style. 00:36:52.790 --> 00:36:54.670 align:middle line:90% This is who I like to work with. 00:36:54.670 --> 00:36:56.620 align:middle line:84% And if you don't fit into any of that, 00:36:56.620 --> 00:36:58.810 align:middle line:84% we should probably not work together 00:36:58.810 --> 00:37:00.810 align:middle line:84% because you're not going to jive with everybody. 00:37:00.810 --> 00:37:05.350 align:middle line:84% And I've had clients in this space of the do-gooderism 00:37:05.350 --> 00:37:06.830 align:middle line:90% and it's just not a good fit. 00:37:06.830 --> 00:37:08.560 align:middle line:90% And the project, kind of, sucks. 00:37:08.560 --> 00:37:10.833 align:middle line:84% But you get through it and onto the next one. 00:37:10.833 --> 00:37:12.750 align:middle line:84% And we just don't work together [? anymore. ?] 00:37:12.750 --> 00:37:15.486 align:middle line:84% And there's clients that have been around like 10 years. 00:37:15.486 --> 00:37:19.130 align:middle line:84% So it's all learning and giving and taking. 00:37:19.130 --> 00:37:22.200 align:middle line:84% Hopefully, just make sure you get paid. 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:26.760 align:middle line:84% Otherwise, you got to go work at a real job. 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.610 align:middle line:90% ANDY HADLE: Nobody wants that. 00:37:29.610 --> 00:37:32.280 align:middle line:84% We have a question in the chat from [INAUDIBLE].. 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.320 align:middle line:84% She asked, is there a blacklist out there 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.940 align:middle line:84% of exploitative companies or clients? 00:37:37.940 --> 00:37:39.650 align:middle line:84% REBECCA TRAWICK: Or a Google doc? 00:37:39.650 --> 00:37:41.960 align:middle line:90% Or something. 00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:43.350 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:37:43.350 --> 00:37:48.150 align:middle line:84% So there's a designer, Jessica Walsh, who-- 00:37:48.150 --> 00:37:50.280 align:middle line:90% they run a firm in New York. 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.230 align:middle line:84% And they're definitely trying to be 00:37:52.230 --> 00:37:56.265 align:middle line:84% more mindful of the types of projects 00:37:56.265 --> 00:37:57.390 align:middle line:90% that they do and work with. 00:37:57.390 --> 00:37:58.840 align:middle line:90% I don't know of any list. 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.810 align:middle line:84% I know that they put out lists around-- 00:38:02.810 --> 00:38:06.250 align:middle line:84% with the Black Lives Matter protests-- 00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:09.610 align:middle line:84% I think it was favorable companies. 00:38:09.610 --> 00:38:12.930 align:middle line:84% Omaha had a list that this guy put of companies not 00:38:12.930 --> 00:38:16.410 align:middle line:90% to shop at, that were hostile. 00:38:16.410 --> 00:38:18.390 align:middle line:84% I don't know of a blacklist, overall. 00:38:18.390 --> 00:38:22.230 align:middle line:84% But there are companies, definitely, 00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:23.380 align:middle line:90% that I wouldn't work with. 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:24.780 align:middle line:90% But, yeah. 00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:25.558 align:middle line:90% That's a good one. 00:38:25.558 --> 00:38:27.850 align:middle line:84% REBECCA TRAWICK: [? Is ?] it about doing your research? 00:38:27.850 --> 00:38:28.770 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:38:28.770 --> 00:38:29.603 align:middle line:90% Doing your research. 00:38:29.603 --> 00:38:31.695 align:middle line:90% [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:38:31.695 --> 00:38:34.150 align:middle line:84% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Because, yeah-- sometimes new startups-- 00:38:34.150 --> 00:38:36.790 align:middle line:90% 00:38:36.790 --> 00:38:43.330 align:middle line:84% you have no idea in terms of the type of work they do. 00:38:43.330 --> 00:38:47.560 align:middle line:84% It's definitely tricky trying to land good clients 00:38:47.560 --> 00:38:51.460 align:middle line:84% and working with good clients [? to ?] make sure that you're 00:38:51.460 --> 00:38:54.650 align:middle line:90% being treated fairly. 00:38:54.650 --> 00:38:58.643 align:middle line:84% REBECCA TRAWICK: Have you ever had to get legal assistance? 00:38:58.643 --> 00:38:59.810 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: I haven't. 00:38:59.810 --> 00:39:01.590 align:middle line:84% I have had friends who have, though. 00:39:01.590 --> 00:39:06.690 align:middle line:90% 00:39:06.690 --> 00:39:09.480 align:middle line:84% REBECCA TRAWICK: So I have a question, if I can jump in. 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.360 align:middle line:84% I love that list that you created about 10 years ago, 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.220 align:middle line:84% the list of principles to work by-- or live and work by, 00:39:15.220 --> 00:39:16.440 align:middle line:90% potentially. 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:18.070 align:middle line:90% So I wonder if-- 00:39:18.070 --> 00:39:20.650 align:middle line:90% has that list changed over time? 00:39:20.650 --> 00:39:24.240 align:middle line:84% And if the world is getting you down, 00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:26.340 align:middle line:84% is it also a source of inspiration? 00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:27.930 align:middle line:90% Or does it feed you? 00:39:27.930 --> 00:39:31.882 align:middle line:84% Does it remind you why you're doing what you're doing? 00:39:31.882 --> 00:39:33.340 align:middle line:84% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah, I think so. 00:39:33.340 --> 00:39:36.100 align:middle line:84% I think it's always nice to refer back 00:39:36.100 --> 00:39:39.210 align:middle line:84% to that because sometimes you're just like, 00:39:39.210 --> 00:39:43.500 align:middle line:84% I just want a project that's delightful. 00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:47.060 align:middle line:84% So sometimes, you can refer to that and be like, oh, yeah. 00:39:47.060 --> 00:39:52.520 align:middle line:84% This is why I was starting to do this work in the first place. 00:39:52.520 --> 00:39:54.590 align:middle line:84% It's been five years, now, since we 00:39:54.590 --> 00:39:56.150 align:middle line:84% started this space that I'm in, which 00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:57.233 align:middle line:90% is called Round And Round. 00:39:57.233 --> 00:39:59.960 align:middle line:84% And at that time, I added a 12th one 00:39:59.960 --> 00:40:02.810 align:middle line:84% because I wanted work that was free to be weird just 00:40:02.810 --> 00:40:05.420 align:middle line:90% to have a little bit more fun. 00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:10.250 align:middle line:84% And sometimes turning and letting 00:40:10.250 --> 00:40:13.450 align:middle line:84% and code and colors and builds and Pantone 00:40:13.450 --> 00:40:15.500 align:middle line:90% is just like, too many numbers. 00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:17.350 align:middle line:84% So you just kind of want to get-- 00:40:17.350 --> 00:40:18.920 align:middle line:84% want to have clients that are cool 00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:22.130 align:middle line:84% if you just do some weird stuff or a space that 00:40:22.130 --> 00:40:22.910 align:middle line:90% allows for that. 00:40:22.910 --> 00:40:25.890 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] so you can keep it-- 00:40:25.890 --> 00:40:26.490 align:middle line:90% keep it fun. 00:40:26.490 --> 00:40:28.580 align:middle line:84% Because design is a pretty creative space. 00:40:28.580 --> 00:40:30.660 align:middle line:84% So it's typically very loud in the office. 00:40:30.660 --> 00:40:33.940 align:middle line:90% We listen to music all day. 00:40:33.940 --> 00:40:35.700 align:middle line:84% We're in a neighborhood, so there's 00:40:35.700 --> 00:40:40.820 align:middle line:84% good places to get lunch and support local food places 00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:42.750 align:middle line:90% and businesses. 00:40:42.750 --> 00:40:47.020 align:middle line:84% And before the pandemic, we tried to have events here. 00:40:47.020 --> 00:40:48.270 align:middle line:90% It's not a huge space, though. 00:40:48.270 --> 00:40:51.570 align:middle line:84% They were typically people who were running for office. 00:40:51.570 --> 00:40:54.510 align:middle line:84% We never had an open house and I regret doing that, now, 00:40:54.510 --> 00:40:56.740 align:middle line:84% because I don't know if we will for a while. 00:40:56.740 --> 00:40:59.157 align:middle line:84% We were always going to have one around the five year mark 00:40:59.157 --> 00:41:01.010 align:middle line:90% and then this happened. 00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:02.910 align:middle line:84% At some point we'll have a party. 00:41:02.910 --> 00:41:04.080 align:middle line:90% REBECCA TRAWICK: Six years. 00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:05.940 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Six years. 00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:07.190 align:middle line:90% REBECCA TRAWICK: The new five. 00:41:07.190 --> 00:41:09.900 align:middle line:90% 00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:12.600 align:middle line:84% ANDY HADLE: We have another question in the chat Devin 00:41:12.600 --> 00:41:13.170 align:middle line:90% Gonzalez. 00:41:13.170 --> 00:41:16.665 align:middle line:84% Devin, do you want to ask the question yourself? 00:41:16.665 --> 00:41:18.910 align:middle line:90% DEVIN GONZALEZ: Sure. 00:41:18.910 --> 00:41:21.560 align:middle line:84% First of all, thank you for speaking with all of us. 00:41:21.560 --> 00:41:23.440 align:middle line:90% We all appreciate it. 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.230 align:middle line:84% But my question is, a lot of your work deals 00:41:26.230 --> 00:41:28.840 align:middle line:84% with some heavy content, obviously. 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.180 align:middle line:84% So how do you keep the subject matter 00:41:31.180 --> 00:41:35.200 align:middle line:84% from you bringing it home or it affecting your mental health 00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:38.212 align:middle line:90% for lack of a better word? 00:41:38.212 --> 00:41:39.170 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:41:39.170 --> 00:41:42.040 align:middle line:90% 00:41:42.040 --> 00:41:49.010 align:middle line:84% The good thing about the design, the process of design, 00:41:49.010 --> 00:41:52.040 align:middle line:84% is that you're always, typically, doing something. 00:41:52.040 --> 00:41:55.640 align:middle line:84% So even though some of the issues are pretty heavy 00:41:55.640 --> 00:41:57.810 align:middle line:90% and the content itself-- 00:41:57.810 --> 00:42:01.610 align:middle line:90% 00:42:01.610 --> 00:42:04.550 align:middle line:84% I've learned to just quickly get into, well, now 00:42:04.550 --> 00:42:05.750 align:middle line:90% we have a job to do. 00:42:05.750 --> 00:42:07.820 align:middle line:90% And just do the job. 00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:09.980 align:middle line:84% Like this organization I'm working with now, 00:42:09.980 --> 00:42:13.440 align:middle line:84% they deal with a lot of police violence issues. 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.270 align:middle line:84% And everybody on that side is super passionate about 00:42:17.270 --> 00:42:20.320 align:middle line:84% like, we need to do this because lives are on the line. 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.030 align:middle line:84% But even from their perspective, it's like, OK. 00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:25.390 align:middle line:90% Now we're all in our roles-- 00:42:25.390 --> 00:42:29.390 align:middle line:84% data researcher, messaging person, web developer, 00:42:29.390 --> 00:42:30.760 align:middle line:90% designer. 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.910 align:middle line:84% And [? it ?] helps to try to feel like you're constructively 00:42:34.910 --> 00:42:36.690 align:middle line:90% doing something because-- 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:37.785 align:middle line:90% yeah. 00:42:37.785 --> 00:42:40.160 align:middle line:84% I certainly go through my moments of being like, oh, this 00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:43.610 align:middle line:90% is terrible. 00:42:43.610 --> 00:42:48.800 align:middle line:84% I think after 2016, it was all the network of people-- 00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.090 align:middle line:90% I mean, it was rough. 00:42:51.090 --> 00:42:53.610 align:middle line:84% Everybody thought the world was coming to an end. 00:42:53.610 --> 00:42:56.210 align:middle line:90% And that wasn't wrong. 00:42:56.210 --> 00:43:01.310 align:middle line:90% So I think the actual-- 00:43:01.310 --> 00:43:02.210 align:middle line:90% it's the same way. 00:43:02.210 --> 00:43:03.350 align:middle line:90% Well, shit. 00:43:03.350 --> 00:43:05.640 align:middle line:90% I'm going to go to a protest. 00:43:05.640 --> 00:43:07.765 align:middle line:90% You've got to do something. 00:43:07.765 --> 00:43:09.390 align:middle line:84% DEVIN GONZALEZ: So you feel like you're 00:43:09.390 --> 00:43:10.900 align:middle line:90% doing something about it. 00:43:10.900 --> 00:43:14.938 align:middle line:84% So that relieves that stress or that worry a little bit? 00:43:14.938 --> 00:43:16.230 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: A little bit. 00:43:16.230 --> 00:43:17.820 align:middle line:84% I mean, when the pandemic happened, 00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:21.120 align:middle line:84% I was super depressed for a month maybe. 00:43:21.120 --> 00:43:25.700 align:middle line:84% And I would tell that to all my classes 00:43:25.700 --> 00:43:29.110 align:middle line:84% like, well, it's nice to be able to focus on actually doing 00:43:29.110 --> 00:43:32.440 align:middle line:84% something rather than just feeling 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:38.350 align:middle line:84% like you have to be afraid of humans and stay inside. 00:43:38.350 --> 00:43:41.060 align:middle line:84% So I think the constructive things 00:43:41.060 --> 00:43:45.280 align:middle line:84% of getting through down moments is always like, well, shit. 00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:46.420 align:middle line:90% Now we gotta do something. 00:43:46.420 --> 00:43:50.860 align:middle line:84% So let's turn up the music and get after. 00:43:50.860 --> 00:43:53.320 align:middle line:90% That can be pretty empowering. 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.500 align:middle line:84% It feels like a design career can be very-- 00:43:56.500 --> 00:44:00.010 align:middle line:90% you can wield power visually. 00:44:00.010 --> 00:44:01.752 align:middle line:90% Like that James Victore-- 00:44:01.752 --> 00:44:02.710 align:middle line:90% a designer [INAUDIBLE]. 00:44:02.710 --> 00:44:05.770 align:middle line:84% That's how he talks about designs [? all ?] the time. 00:44:05.770 --> 00:44:08.475 align:middle line:84% When design is used at it's best, it does that. 00:44:08.475 --> 00:44:10.600 align:middle line:84% It doesn't do it all the time. [? It takes work. ?] 00:44:10.600 --> 00:44:15.182 align:middle line:84% But it definitely has that potential. 00:44:15.182 --> 00:44:16.140 align:middle line:90% REBECCA TRAWICK: Great. 00:44:16.140 --> 00:44:20.220 align:middle line:84% So I know we're almost out of time, unfortunately. 00:44:20.220 --> 00:44:21.940 align:middle line:90% But thank you, Justin, so much. 00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:24.540 align:middle line:84% We have such gratitude for you spending your time with us 00:44:24.540 --> 00:44:25.920 align:middle line:90% this evening. 00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.930 align:middle line:84% So one really quick question, and then Roman 00:44:27.930 --> 00:44:30.055 align:middle line:90% will close us out. 00:44:30.055 --> 00:44:32.430 align:middle line:84% But I just wanted to ask, what are you reading, watching, 00:44:32.430 --> 00:44:35.310 align:middle line:90% listening to-- 00:44:35.310 --> 00:44:38.430 align:middle line:84% film, podcast, publication, graphic novel, 00:44:38.430 --> 00:44:41.890 align:middle line:84% et cetera-- that's giving you life right now? 00:44:41.890 --> 00:44:44.572 align:middle line:90% Anything you can recommend? 00:44:44.572 --> 00:44:45.530 align:middle line:90% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Yeah. 00:44:45.530 --> 00:44:47.750 align:middle line:84% So someone asked where they can get the book. 00:44:47.750 --> 00:44:49.820 align:middle line:84% It'll be at that URL when it's ready. 00:44:49.820 --> 00:44:52.490 align:middle line:90% There's nothing up there now. 00:44:52.490 --> 00:44:55.920 align:middle line:90% I seriously love music. 00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.270 align:middle line:84% I listen to [? KDXP ?] every day and they are my gateway 00:45:00.270 --> 00:45:01.810 align:middle line:90% into all of this amazing stuff. 00:45:01.810 --> 00:45:04.710 align:middle line:90% So there is a new-- 00:45:04.710 --> 00:45:06.210 align:middle line:84% there's this band called Salt, which 00:45:06.210 --> 00:45:07.330 align:middle line:90% no one knows who they are. 00:45:07.330 --> 00:45:11.740 align:middle line:84% But they put out amazing music that 00:45:11.740 --> 00:45:13.510 align:middle line:90% is really made for this moment. 00:45:13.510 --> 00:45:17.765 align:middle line:90% 00:45:17.765 --> 00:45:19.390 align:middle line:84% I've been getting into the Beastie Boys 00:45:19.390 --> 00:45:22.810 align:middle line:84% more because they put out their book. 00:45:22.810 --> 00:45:25.420 align:middle line:84% And they have their special, which is really awesome. 00:45:25.420 --> 00:45:31.680 align:middle line:84% And so I think anything that feels really terrible-- 00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:38.390 align:middle line:84% having a good new album, really, just goes super far. 00:45:38.390 --> 00:45:42.550 align:middle line:84% And there's a punk band called Idols that is relatively new. 00:45:42.550 --> 00:45:46.670 align:middle line:84% I think last year they had a really great album. 00:45:46.670 --> 00:45:48.440 align:middle line:90% We saw them in Kansas City. 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.080 align:middle line:90% And it seems like that is-- 00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:51.940 align:middle line:90% everything evolves, right? 00:45:51.940 --> 00:45:55.580 align:middle line:84% There are all these punk bands that I love and they kind of, 00:45:55.580 --> 00:45:56.250 align:middle line:90% like-- 00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:58.190 align:middle line:90% runs their course. 00:45:58.190 --> 00:46:01.760 align:middle line:84% And Idols is like the new punk stuff. 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:05.120 align:middle line:84% They put out an album, it just feels of the moment. 00:46:05.120 --> 00:46:08.140 align:middle line:84% It still feels like punk but it feels new 00:46:08.140 --> 00:46:11.920 align:middle line:84% and it feels like someone just threw some cold water on you. 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.760 align:middle line:90% Like, this is what punk is now! 00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:16.560 align:middle line:90% And it's great. 00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:19.380 align:middle line:84% So I think there's a lot of community building 00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:23.050 align:middle line:84% that happens in music scenes and a lot of like, well, 00:46:23.050 --> 00:46:25.325 align:middle line:84% just do it yourself, which I love about music scenes. 00:46:25.325 --> 00:46:26.700 align:middle line:84% There's a good music scene, here, 00:46:26.700 --> 00:46:30.390 align:middle line:84% in Omaha which lots of people are part of and try to support 00:46:30.390 --> 00:46:34.980 align:middle line:84% that and [? who I've ?] done super discounted work for over 00:46:34.980 --> 00:46:40.140 align:middle line:84% the years to try to push that cultural force [? along. ?] 00:46:40.140 --> 00:46:42.420 align:middle line:90% It's super important. 00:46:42.420 --> 00:46:44.360 align:middle line:90% REBECCA TRAWICK: Thank you. 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.443 align:middle line:84% JUSTIN KEMERLING: Thanks for having me, everybody. 00:46:46.443 --> 00:46:47.080 align:middle line:90% This was nice. 00:46:47.080 --> 00:46:49.120 align:middle line:84% SPEAKER: If you wanted to learn more about native land 00:46:49.120 --> 00:46:51.100 align:middle line:84% acknowledgment, there are a couple of web sites 00:46:51.100 --> 00:46:51.910 align:middle line:90% that you can visit. 00:46:51.910 --> 00:46:54.270 align:middle line:90% They're on the screen. 00:46:54.270 --> 00:47:00.090 align:middle line:84% We also ask that you complete a quick online survey. 00:47:00.090 --> 00:47:00.900 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:01.740 align:middle line:84% REBECCA TRAWICK: Take care, everybody. 00:47:01.740 --> 00:47:02.670 align:middle line:90% Be safe. 00:47:02.670 --> 00:47:04.430 align:middle line:90% Stay well. 00:47:04.430 --> 00:47:14.000 align:middle line:90%