WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.390 align:middle line:90% [AUDIO LOGO] 00:00:02.390 --> 00:00:10.530 align:middle line:90% 00:00:10.530 --> 00:00:11.740 align:middle line:90% Welcome, everybody. 00:00:11.740 --> 00:00:15.070 align:middle line:84% So good to see you here this evening. 00:00:15.070 --> 00:00:18.150 align:middle line:84% My name is Rebecca Trawick, pronouns she/hers. 00:00:18.150 --> 00:00:20.250 align:middle line:84% I'm the director and curator of the Wignall Museum 00:00:20.250 --> 00:00:22.860 align:middle line:84% of Contemporary Art located on the Rancho Cucamonga 00:00:22.860 --> 00:00:25.590 align:middle line:90% campus of 性视界. 00:00:25.590 --> 00:00:27.330 align:middle line:84% Thanks for joining us this evening 00:00:27.330 --> 00:00:30.880 align:middle line:84% for the Craft of Zinesters, a panel discussion. 00:00:30.880 --> 00:00:33.090 align:middle line:84% The event is planned as part of a series 00:00:33.090 --> 00:00:35.460 align:middle line:84% leading up to the return of Zine Fest next week. 00:00:35.460 --> 00:00:37.290 align:middle line:90% We're super excited. 00:00:37.290 --> 00:00:40.170 align:middle line:84% That's 3/8, 12:00 to 2:00 at the Wignall 00:00:40.170 --> 00:00:44.850 align:middle line:84% Museum on the 性视界 campus in Rancho Cucamonga. 00:00:44.850 --> 00:00:46.710 align:middle line:84% Zine Fest and zine programming are 00:00:46.710 --> 00:00:48.630 align:middle line:84% developed in collaboration between folks 00:00:48.630 --> 00:00:50.920 align:middle line:84% within the arts, communication, and design 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:53.520 align:middle line:84% academic and career community, the Wignall Museum, 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.160 align:middle line:90% and the 性视界 Library. 00:00:56.160 --> 00:00:59.880 align:middle line:84% Shout out to Adam Martinez, Sandra Galeas, Nell Watkins, 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:02.940 align:middle line:84% and Vicki Tulacro for their organizational and creative 00:01:02.940 --> 00:01:05.430 align:middle line:84% work related to zines at 性视界 this year 00:01:05.430 --> 00:01:07.350 align:middle line:90% and in the past. 00:01:07.350 --> 00:01:10.920 align:middle line:84% Events are made possible in part due to the support of student 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:13.470 align:middle line:90% equity and engagement. 00:01:13.470 --> 00:01:16.080 align:middle line:84% We invite you to join us next week at Zine Fest 00:01:16.080 --> 00:01:18.660 align:middle line:84% and meet and support local zinesters 00:01:18.660 --> 00:01:21.840 align:middle line:84% and to enjoy community around art making and activism. 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.240 align:middle line:90% So first, our facilitators. 00:01:24.240 --> 00:01:28.800 align:middle line:84% Sandra B. Galeas, she, is a local Inland Empire artist 00:01:28.800 --> 00:01:31.140 align:middle line:84% with an interest and passion for zines. 00:01:31.140 --> 00:01:34.125 align:middle line:84% Her latest zine project, Amor y Rabia, 00:01:34.125 --> 00:01:35.970 align:middle line:84% highlighted and honored feminist knowledge 00:01:35.970 --> 00:01:39.750 align:middle line:84% learned from the matriarchs of her immigrant Colombian family. 00:01:39.750 --> 00:01:43.320 align:middle line:84% Her love for zines include their accessibility, creativity, 00:01:43.320 --> 00:01:46.870 align:middle line:84% and knowledge shared throughout communities. 00:01:46.870 --> 00:01:49.240 align:middle line:84% Professor Adam D. Martinez has been involved 00:01:49.240 --> 00:01:51.040 align:middle line:90% in zine culture for a decade. 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.250 align:middle line:84% He cofounded the digital literary zine Por Vida 00:01:54.250 --> 00:01:57.160 align:middle line:84% with the purpose of creating a space for writers of all levels 00:01:57.160 --> 00:02:00.520 align:middle line:84% to practice the submission and publishing process. 00:02:00.520 --> 00:02:03.970 align:middle line:84% He's participated in local zine fests over the years, 00:02:03.970 --> 00:02:07.150 align:middle line:84% created special-edition zines for his music releases, 00:02:07.150 --> 00:02:10.090 align:middle line:84% collaborated with 性视界 colleagues to create zines, 00:02:10.090 --> 00:02:15.240 align:middle line:84% and contributed zines to 性视界 College's zine collection. 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:19.290 align:middle line:84% OK, so our guest downstairs, in alpha order. 00:02:19.290 --> 00:02:22.380 align:middle line:84% Matt Paramo, he/him, is an artist 00:02:22.380 --> 00:02:23.970 align:middle line:90% based in southern California. 00:02:23.970 --> 00:02:26.790 align:middle line:84% He runs an online store, distributing company, 00:02:26.790 --> 00:02:31.710 align:middle line:84% and a podcast for independent artists called Rat Nest. 00:02:31.710 --> 00:02:35.130 align:middle line:84% Sondria, she/her, is an author, editor, and director 00:02:35.130 --> 00:02:37.500 align:middle line:84% of Lion Light Creative Education, 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:39.420 align:middle line:90% based in the Inland Empire. 00:02:39.420 --> 00:02:41.370 align:middle line:84% She started her publishing company, 00:02:41.370 --> 00:02:45.600 align:middle line:84% Everything is Paper LLC, at the end of 2022 00:02:45.600 --> 00:02:48.120 align:middle line:84% and hopes to provide independent artists with a space 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:50.860 align:middle line:90% to see themselves in print. 00:02:50.860 --> 00:02:54.670 align:middle line:84% Rhea Tepp, they/them, is a queer artist based in Los Angeles. 00:02:54.670 --> 00:02:57.180 align:middle line:84% They are one of the cofounders of LA Zine Fest 00:02:57.180 --> 00:03:01.650 align:middle line:84% and co-organized the event from 2012 to 2020. 00:03:01.650 --> 00:03:05.220 align:middle line:84% The personal zines Rhea creates range from companion zines 00:03:05.220 --> 00:03:08.760 align:middle line:84% to their audio fiction works, collections of poetry, 00:03:08.760 --> 00:03:12.210 align:middle line:84% to research-based scenes for mutual aid projects. 00:03:12.210 --> 00:03:16.590 align:middle line:84% Rhea performs musical sets that collage samples, storytelling, 00:03:16.590 --> 00:03:20.700 align:middle line:84% sci-fi, ASMR, and offers gender-affirming voice lessons 00:03:20.700 --> 00:03:22.710 align:middle line:90% as a healing practice. 00:03:22.710 --> 00:03:25.140 align:middle line:84% One of their favorite zines to recommend to people 00:03:25.140 --> 00:03:30.480 align:middle line:84% is called Learning Good Consent, edited by Cindy Crabb. 00:03:30.480 --> 00:03:33.960 align:middle line:84% And lastly, but not least, Jen Venegas, they/them, 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.090 align:middle line:90% is a queer nonbinary femme. 00:03:36.090 --> 00:03:38.790 align:middle line:84% They are a writer and spiritual healer. 00:03:38.790 --> 00:03:41.160 align:middle line:84% So a huge thanks to everyone who is here today 00:03:41.160 --> 00:03:43.110 align:middle line:90% sharing their love of zines. 00:03:43.110 --> 00:03:44.430 align:middle line:90% We appreciate you all. 00:03:44.430 --> 00:03:50.420 align:middle line:84% So virtual shout out, and I'll pass it off to Sandra. 00:03:50.420 --> 00:03:51.690 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Rebecca. 00:03:51.690 --> 00:03:54.420 align:middle line:84% Thank you, everybody, for joining us tonight. 00:03:54.420 --> 00:03:56.720 align:middle line:84% I would like to open up the space with a land 00:03:56.720 --> 00:03:58.390 align:middle line:90% acknowledgment. 00:03:58.390 --> 00:04:01.090 align:middle line:84% With respect and honor for the lands we gather on 00:04:01.090 --> 00:04:02.710 align:middle line:84% and the leaders before us, we would 00:04:02.710 --> 00:04:04.690 align:middle line:84% like to take a moment to acknowledge 00:04:04.690 --> 00:04:07.900 align:middle line:84% that Gabrielino-Tongva peoples, the original stewards 00:04:07.900 --> 00:04:10.450 align:middle line:84% of the sacred and unceded homelands. 00:04:10.450 --> 00:04:14.560 align:middle line:84% The Tongva peoples' history, languages, cultural traditions, 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.930 align:middle line:84% and legacy continue to shape this region, 00:04:16.930 --> 00:04:18.940 align:middle line:84% and we recognize their continuing presence 00:04:18.940 --> 00:04:20.500 align:middle line:90% in their homelands. 00:04:20.500 --> 00:04:23.200 align:middle line:84% In the spirit of truth and equity, 00:04:23.200 --> 00:04:25.240 align:middle line:84% 性视界 commits to uplifting 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:27.970 align:middle line:84% the voices of Indigenous peoples and building 00:04:27.970 --> 00:04:31.150 align:middle line:84% an inclusive and equitable educational environment 00:04:31.150 --> 00:04:33.370 align:middle line:84% and decolonizing the institution. 00:04:33.370 --> 00:04:36.400 align:middle line:84% We also encourage members of the 性视界 community 00:04:36.400 --> 00:04:38.410 align:middle line:84% to learn about the land they reside on 00:04:38.410 --> 00:04:41.740 align:middle line:84% and the original caretakers and advocate for culturally 00:04:41.740 --> 00:04:44.250 align:middle line:90% responsive action. 00:04:44.250 --> 00:04:45.315 align:middle line:90% Professor Adam Martinez? 00:04:45.315 --> 00:04:48.290 align:middle line:90% 00:04:48.290 --> 00:04:50.090 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Sandra. 00:04:50.090 --> 00:04:54.240 align:middle line:84% So let's start this conversation, Zinesters. 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.105 align:middle line:84% So what I would like to happen is this 00:04:56.105 --> 00:04:58.020 align:middle line:90% is just going to be very open. 00:04:58.020 --> 00:05:00.440 align:middle line:84% We have some questions that the team has 00:05:00.440 --> 00:05:04.280 align:middle line:84% kind of cultivated over the past couple months, 00:05:04.280 --> 00:05:05.570 align:middle line:90% and we'll go through those. 00:05:05.570 --> 00:05:09.200 align:middle line:84% And as Rebecca said, at the end, hopefully 00:05:09.200 --> 00:05:11.670 align:middle line:84% we'll have some time for our attendees 00:05:11.670 --> 00:05:15.920 align:middle line:84% if you have any questions for a Q&A segment. 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.350 align:middle line:84% If we didn't cover something that you 00:05:18.350 --> 00:05:21.450 align:middle line:84% want to know about in these questions, by all means, 00:05:21.450 --> 00:05:22.260 align:middle line:90% feel free. 00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:25.470 align:middle line:84% And so this is going to be very, like I said, open. 00:05:25.470 --> 00:05:27.380 align:middle line:90% I'm going to ask the question. 00:05:27.380 --> 00:05:30.530 align:middle line:84% And our panelists, you can just go ahead and unmute yourself 00:05:30.530 --> 00:05:32.660 align:middle line:90% and speak your piece about it. 00:05:32.660 --> 00:05:36.170 align:middle line:84% And obviously, we'd like to hear from each and every one of you 00:05:36.170 --> 00:05:37.520 align:middle line:90% for every question. 00:05:37.520 --> 00:05:39.860 align:middle line:90% Are we ready? 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:40.880 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:05:40.880 --> 00:05:47.030 align:middle line:84% OK, so the first question is very big, right? 00:05:47.030 --> 00:05:50.270 align:middle line:84% It's, how did you get started in zine culture? 00:05:50.270 --> 00:05:53.120 align:middle line:84% What was your first experience with zines? 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:56.960 align:middle line:90% And what hooked you on zines? 00:05:56.960 --> 00:06:01.270 align:middle line:84% So it's kind of three questions in one. 00:06:01.270 --> 00:06:05.590 align:middle line:84% My zine experience, I started out as a lookie-loo. 00:06:05.590 --> 00:06:08.680 align:middle line:84% One of my friends invited me to the zine fest. 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:12.020 align:middle line:84% I want to say either 2014 or 20-- 00:06:12.020 --> 00:06:14.600 align:middle line:84% I want to say it was 2014 at 2015. 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:19.460 align:middle line:84% And I was just amazed that I was meeting 00:06:19.460 --> 00:06:22.250 align:middle line:84% the authors at the same time of buying the book. 00:06:22.250 --> 00:06:23.430 align:middle line:90% So that blew my mind. 00:06:23.430 --> 00:06:26.150 align:middle line:84% I was writing already at the time, but I hadn't published. 00:06:26.150 --> 00:06:31.340 align:middle line:84% And it just-- it created the foundation 00:06:31.340 --> 00:06:32.390 align:middle line:90% of how I do my work now. 00:06:32.390 --> 00:06:35.180 align:middle line:84% Like I'm like, oh, I could have been just writing things 00:06:35.180 --> 00:06:36.847 align:middle line:84% and getting them straight to the public, 00:06:36.847 --> 00:06:38.360 align:middle line:90% and there's venues for that. 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.920 align:middle line:90% So that's how it started. 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.495 align:middle line:84% And then, you know, it got crazy. 00:06:44.495 --> 00:06:47.360 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:50.270 align:middle line:84% I guess my first introduction to zines and zine making 00:06:50.270 --> 00:06:54.620 align:middle line:84% was a collective out of Berkeley called Slingshot that 00:06:54.620 --> 00:06:59.630 align:middle line:84% does activism zines and kind of caught that like tail 00:06:59.630 --> 00:07:02.940 align:middle line:84% end of high school, so like mid-2000s. 00:07:02.940 --> 00:07:05.630 align:middle line:84% I was just really intrigued and interested in how 00:07:05.630 --> 00:07:09.410 align:middle line:84% they presented information like why not to talk to the cops, 00:07:09.410 --> 00:07:13.610 align:middle line:84% and know your rights, and things that 00:07:13.610 --> 00:07:15.020 align:middle line:90% weren't being talked about. 00:07:15.020 --> 00:07:17.880 align:middle line:84% And then the fact that it was an accessible platform. 00:07:17.880 --> 00:07:18.950 align:middle line:90% It was a few bucks. 00:07:18.950 --> 00:07:21.740 align:middle line:84% I think it's $4 a month-- or $4 a year still. 00:07:21.740 --> 00:07:24.050 align:middle line:90% You get four issues in the mail. 00:07:24.050 --> 00:07:25.130 align:middle line:90% They do a yearly planner. 00:07:25.130 --> 00:07:26.840 align:middle line:84% It's a very cool little collective. 00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:30.270 align:middle line:84% They've been around since the '80s I think. 00:07:30.270 --> 00:07:32.810 align:middle line:84% But that was introduction one, and then 00:07:32.810 --> 00:07:35.210 align:middle line:84% with making art and making music, 00:07:35.210 --> 00:07:38.150 align:middle line:84% you meet other people that self-publish 00:07:38.150 --> 00:07:42.860 align:middle line:84% and do projects that they can give out that is low cost, 00:07:42.860 --> 00:07:45.300 align:middle line:90% and you just become a collector. 00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:48.070 align:middle line:84% You start to appreciate everything 00:07:48.070 --> 00:07:51.980 align:middle line:84% and everyone's unique voice and everyone's view 00:07:51.980 --> 00:07:54.110 align:middle line:84% on whatever they're doing, whether it's 00:07:54.110 --> 00:07:58.826 align:middle line:90% art, music, writing, reviewing. 00:07:58.826 --> 00:08:00.545 align:middle line:90% And I've been hooked ever since. 00:08:00.545 --> 00:08:04.550 align:middle line:90% 00:08:04.550 --> 00:08:10.397 align:middle line:84% I got started in zines when I was around 18, I think, 00:08:10.397 --> 00:08:11.480 align:middle line:90% which was a long time ago. 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.733 align:middle line:84% But I used to go to shows in LA, and when 00:08:15.733 --> 00:08:17.150 align:middle line:84% I would be standing in line, there 00:08:17.150 --> 00:08:21.920 align:middle line:84% was this zine collective that would sell their zines 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:23.480 align:middle line:90% to people standing in line. 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.720 align:middle line:84% And I forget what they were called. 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:29.900 align:middle line:84% I think they were called De Facto Death Camp or something, 00:08:29.900 --> 00:08:35.690 align:middle line:84% a bunch of zinester dudes like selling their writing 00:08:35.690 --> 00:08:36.900 align:middle line:90% and their art and stuff. 00:08:36.900 --> 00:08:38.630 align:middle line:90% And I was like, OK, cool. 00:08:38.630 --> 00:08:42.110 align:middle line:84% And I noticed at the same time a lot of my friends 00:08:42.110 --> 00:08:46.850 align:middle line:84% were getting involved in zines, in online communities, 00:08:46.850 --> 00:08:48.770 align:middle line:90% LiveJournal, things like that. 00:08:48.770 --> 00:08:55.400 align:middle line:84% And yeah, so I think there was this movement around that time, 00:08:55.400 --> 00:09:02.420 align:middle line:84% like late '90s, sort of like a resurgence of the early '90s 00:09:02.420 --> 00:09:04.820 align:middle line:90% feminist zines. 00:09:04.820 --> 00:09:06.890 align:middle line:84% And there's a big long history of zines, 00:09:06.890 --> 00:09:11.053 align:middle line:84% but I was able to get involved in that. 00:09:11.053 --> 00:09:13.470 align:middle line:84% I've always been a writer, and so it was a really cool way 00:09:13.470 --> 00:09:17.220 align:middle line:84% to get some of my writing out and also 00:09:17.220 --> 00:09:20.850 align:middle line:84% read my friends' writing, read different experiences 00:09:20.850 --> 00:09:24.090 align:middle line:84% from different people in a really-- 00:09:24.090 --> 00:09:27.840 align:middle line:84% like other people have said, like a really accessible way. 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:34.100 align:middle line:84% So yeah, that's why I'm into zines because they're awesome. 00:09:34.100 --> 00:09:41.060 align:middle line:84% My first experience with zines was when I was in high school. 00:09:41.060 --> 00:09:46.190 align:middle line:84% And I was-- at the time, I was living in Seattle, Washington. 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:49.920 align:middle line:90% And there was a big protest. 00:09:49.920 --> 00:09:54.380 align:middle line:84% It was a WTO protest that was really major at the time 00:09:54.380 --> 00:10:01.860 align:middle line:84% and I walked into what I didn't know was an anarchist space. 00:10:01.860 --> 00:10:03.980 align:middle line:84% So it was like the first time I experienced 00:10:03.980 --> 00:10:08.390 align:middle line:84% a zine and the first time I've experienced an anarchist space. 00:10:08.390 --> 00:10:11.090 align:middle line:84% And yeah, I was handed something that I called a pamphlet 00:10:11.090 --> 00:10:13.760 align:middle line:90% for a really long time. 00:10:13.760 --> 00:10:16.910 align:middle line:84% And yeah, it mostly it was talking 00:10:16.910 --> 00:10:21.350 align:middle line:84% about rights with police and a lot of things 00:10:21.350 --> 00:10:24.110 align:middle line:84% that were really contrary to what 00:10:24.110 --> 00:10:25.520 align:middle line:90% I was learning in high school. 00:10:25.520 --> 00:10:31.260 align:middle line:84% So I kept it in my pocket for a long time. 00:10:31.260 --> 00:10:31.800 align:middle line:90% Awesome. 00:10:31.800 --> 00:10:33.570 align:middle line:84% Thank you all so much for sharing 00:10:33.570 --> 00:10:37.140 align:middle line:84% how you came into contact with zines, the culture, 00:10:37.140 --> 00:10:40.950 align:middle line:84% and how it's transformed into what all of you do now. 00:10:40.950 --> 00:10:44.310 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to go ahead and share the next question. 00:10:44.310 --> 00:10:48.960 align:middle line:84% Why have you chosen zines as an art practice, as activism, 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.320 align:middle line:90% and/or as a business? 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:53.320 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to let the question kind of simmer, 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:58.450 align:middle line:84% and then we can go ahead and start with Matt. 00:10:58.450 --> 00:11:00.960 align:middle line:84% As I said, it started out as kind 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:05.520 align:middle line:84% of just an interesting activism format, information 00:11:05.520 --> 00:11:08.910 align:middle line:84% being shared for free, if not for really cheap. 00:11:08.910 --> 00:11:14.130 align:middle line:84% And those pivotal years, like late high school, early college 00:11:14.130 --> 00:11:17.070 align:middle line:84% when you're kind of figuring out what you actually believe 00:11:17.070 --> 00:11:20.820 align:middle line:84% and figuring out who you are, there 00:11:20.820 --> 00:11:24.090 align:middle line:84% was just a lot of interesting content, 00:11:24.090 --> 00:11:27.480 align:middle line:84% as well as I was in the music scene and always making art. 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.480 align:middle line:84% So it was a way to find out about bands, 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.360 align:middle line:84% about other artists, what people were 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:39.090 align:middle line:84% doing on the other side of the country without the resources 00:11:39.090 --> 00:11:42.000 align:middle line:84% of the internet that we have now. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:43.470 align:middle line:90% So it was always-- 00:11:43.470 --> 00:11:46.930 align:middle line:84% just drew me in, and I've stuck with it. 00:11:46.930 --> 00:11:50.760 align:middle line:84% And as an artist, I've created my own art zines, mostly just 00:11:50.760 --> 00:11:53.710 align:middle line:84% sketchbook zines, serieses of those. 00:11:53.710 --> 00:11:57.240 align:middle line:84% I also dabbled a little bit in trying to do some writing 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:03.120 align:middle line:84% and putting together a zine that was not only reviewing music 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.600 align:middle line:84% but had like food recipes and different things 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.090 align:middle line:90% of that nature, as well as art. 00:12:09.090 --> 00:12:11.670 align:middle line:84% I think it just always has focused around art for me. 00:12:11.670 --> 00:12:14.370 align:middle line:84% And in the beginning of the pandemic, 00:12:14.370 --> 00:12:16.270 align:middle line:90% when I got laid off from my-- 00:12:16.270 --> 00:12:18.900 align:middle line:84% a couple bar gigs I had, I was unemployed. 00:12:18.900 --> 00:12:20.950 align:middle line:84% I was like, I got to do something with my time. 00:12:20.950 --> 00:12:22.770 align:middle line:84% So I started my business, Rat Nest. 00:12:22.770 --> 00:12:26.400 align:middle line:84% And we've been curating an online shop 00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:31.440 align:middle line:84% of independent artists, comic book makers, and zine makers. 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.500 align:middle line:84% And yeah, it just all stemmed from back in the day 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:35.940 align:middle line:90% when I got hooked. 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:39.505 align:middle line:90% 00:12:39.505 --> 00:12:40.005 align:middle line:90% Sondria. 00:12:40.005 --> 00:12:42.510 align:middle line:90% 00:12:42.510 --> 00:12:47.280 align:middle line:84% Particularly, zines for me is that direct contact 00:12:47.280 --> 00:12:48.510 align:middle line:90% of not having-- 00:12:48.510 --> 00:12:50.640 align:middle line:84% or being able to get to my reader 00:12:50.640 --> 00:12:52.860 align:middle line:84% without a filter of something else, 00:12:52.860 --> 00:12:55.037 align:middle line:84% like the publishing industry rules 00:12:55.037 --> 00:12:57.120 align:middle line:84% of what I thought they were before I knew anything 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:58.650 align:middle line:90% about zine. 00:12:58.650 --> 00:13:01.030 align:middle line:90% That's been huge for me. 00:13:01.030 --> 00:13:04.170 align:middle line:84% Even when I'm creating, I just don't have certain things 00:13:04.170 --> 00:13:07.230 align:middle line:84% in mind anymore when I'm making books 00:13:07.230 --> 00:13:10.720 align:middle line:84% now because my whole basis is self-publishing. 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.630 align:middle line:90% So pretty much from-- 00:13:13.630 --> 00:13:17.130 align:middle line:84% after Zine Fest, from publishing the zines, 00:13:17.130 --> 00:13:22.770 align:middle line:84% I started self-publishing short story anthologies, 00:13:22.770 --> 00:13:26.310 align:middle line:84% which allowed for me to start teaching about self-publishing 00:13:26.310 --> 00:13:27.510 align:middle line:90% and writing books. 00:13:27.510 --> 00:13:30.390 align:middle line:84% That all stemmed from the zine community. 00:13:30.390 --> 00:13:34.560 align:middle line:84% And then, like she was saying and like Rebecca 00:13:34.560 --> 00:13:37.740 align:middle line:84% was saying in my biography, I started 00:13:37.740 --> 00:13:39.270 align:middle line:84% the self-publishing company now so 00:13:39.270 --> 00:13:40.770 align:middle line:84% that I can help other people publish 00:13:40.770 --> 00:13:42.180 align:middle line:90% zines and their sci-fi stuff. 00:13:42.180 --> 00:13:46.500 align:middle line:84% So that's kind of where it took me career-wise. 00:13:46.500 --> 00:13:50.580 align:middle line:90% And politically, I was part-- 00:13:50.580 --> 00:13:52.290 align:middle line:84% I'm part of a collective, art collective, 00:13:52.290 --> 00:13:53.370 align:middle line:90% called #SNATCHPOWER. 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:58.050 align:middle line:84% And so zines and burlesque kind of go hand in hand 00:13:58.050 --> 00:14:01.560 align:middle line:84% as far as my artistic liberation, 00:14:01.560 --> 00:14:05.310 align:middle line:84% my sexual liberation, my just overall femme 00:14:05.310 --> 00:14:12.090 align:middle line:84% liberation, period And just the idea of being able to express 00:14:12.090 --> 00:14:24.910 align:middle line:84% intellect without having kind of the typical supremacy standard, 00:14:24.910 --> 00:14:27.410 align:middle line:84% like the supremacy is authenticity. 00:14:27.410 --> 00:14:29.920 align:middle line:84% If you can articulate who you are thoroughly, 00:14:29.920 --> 00:14:31.930 align:middle line:90% that makes the piece good. 00:14:31.930 --> 00:14:33.430 align:middle line:90% And so I only find that-- 00:14:33.430 --> 00:14:35.890 align:middle line:84% I found that first in zines, and it helps me bring-- 00:14:35.890 --> 00:14:37.900 align:middle line:90% I bring all that to-- 00:14:37.900 --> 00:14:39.520 align:middle line:90% I bring it to everything. 00:14:39.520 --> 00:14:41.260 align:middle line:84% I hope that answered the question. 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:43.470 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:14:43.470 --> 00:14:44.360 align:middle line:90% Rhea? 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:45.290 align:middle line:90% Sure. 00:14:45.290 --> 00:14:46.790 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHTER] 00:14:46.790 --> 00:14:48.500 align:middle line:84% I don't know why that question always 00:14:48.500 --> 00:14:49.670 align:middle line:90% gives me so much anxiety. 00:14:49.670 --> 00:14:52.730 align:middle line:90% 00:14:52.730 --> 00:14:53.230 align:middle line:90% So, yeah. 00:14:53.230 --> 00:14:54.280 align:middle line:90% No pressure. 00:14:54.280 --> 00:14:55.420 align:middle line:90% Oh, here I go. 00:14:55.420 --> 00:14:56.510 align:middle line:90% Amaze. 00:14:56.510 --> 00:14:57.970 align:middle line:90% And this is Ace, by the way. 00:14:57.970 --> 00:14:59.020 align:middle line:90% This is Ace. 00:14:59.020 --> 00:15:02.830 align:middle line:84% [LAUGHS] We've been companions for a week now, so-- 00:15:02.830 --> 00:15:05.560 align:middle line:90% 00:15:05.560 --> 00:15:12.150 align:middle line:84% I-- well, first, I want to give big-- 00:15:12.150 --> 00:15:16.020 align:middle line:84% just big appreciation to Sondria and Jen because they 00:15:16.020 --> 00:15:20.190 align:middle line:84% both have been really influential in my journey 00:15:20.190 --> 00:15:25.620 align:middle line:84% as a zine person, both as a zine maker and an organizer. 00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:33.300 align:middle line:84% Meeting Sondria and Uhuru, who cofounded #SNATCHPOWER, 00:15:33.300 --> 00:15:36.630 align:middle line:84% literally changed my life and continues 00:15:36.630 --> 00:15:40.560 align:middle line:84% to change my life the more we continue 00:15:40.560 --> 00:15:45.150 align:middle line:84% to collaborate and deepen our friendships and work together. 00:15:45.150 --> 00:15:49.530 align:middle line:84% And I just am excited that we're going 00:15:49.530 --> 00:15:54.030 align:middle line:84% to just be really wrinkly making zines together for a long time. 00:15:54.030 --> 00:15:58.680 align:middle line:84% And I'm sure Jen will hop on a panel talk all together. 00:15:58.680 --> 00:15:59.700 align:middle line:90% Matt will be there. 00:15:59.700 --> 00:16:06.000 align:middle line:84% We'll just be like, talking about Tumblr-- pre Tumblr. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.040 align:middle line:84% But yeah, so #SNATCHPOWER had a huge-- 00:16:09.040 --> 00:16:10.080 align:middle line:90% huge influence on me. 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:18.880 align:middle line:84% Jen donated their zine collection to me a long, 00:16:18.880 --> 00:16:20.830 align:middle line:90% long time ago. 00:16:20.830 --> 00:16:23.610 align:middle line:84% And that-- I remember exactly when it happened. 00:16:23.610 --> 00:16:24.900 align:middle line:90% It was like on the street. 00:16:24.900 --> 00:16:26.820 align:middle line:90% It was like a drop off. 00:16:26.820 --> 00:16:33.660 align:middle line:84% And Jen really wanted this important library of theirs 00:16:33.660 --> 00:16:40.800 align:middle line:84% to live on and be passed on, just like have a new life. 00:16:40.800 --> 00:16:45.240 align:middle line:84% And that ended up really becoming the foundation 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:51.090 align:middle line:84% of the LA Zine Fest zine library that is still archived 00:16:51.090 --> 00:16:51.870 align:middle line:90% and exists. 00:16:51.870 --> 00:16:56.220 align:middle line:84% And yeah, just so grateful for that. 00:16:56.220 --> 00:17:06.380 align:middle line:84% And I feel like, yeah, I continue to create zines 00:17:06.380 --> 00:17:13.819 align:middle line:84% as a tool to disseminate what it is that I'm doing that I find 00:17:13.819 --> 00:17:15.170 align:middle line:90% is-- 00:17:15.170 --> 00:17:19.280 align:middle line:84% when I find limitation in digital spaces, 00:17:19.280 --> 00:17:23.089 align:middle line:84% I tend to utilize zines to, yeah, 00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:25.849 align:middle line:84% have creative, effective communication with people. 00:17:25.849 --> 00:17:32.820 align:middle line:84% And it's a beautiful way to collaborate and organize. 00:17:32.820 --> 00:17:36.220 align:middle line:90% And I'm going to pause there. 00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:38.270 align:middle line:90% Jen? 00:17:38.270 --> 00:17:43.430 align:middle line:84% Oh my god, I totally forgot about that zine drop off. 00:17:43.430 --> 00:17:44.870 align:middle line:90% Amazing. 00:17:44.870 --> 00:17:45.440 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.050 align:middle line:90% What a cool memory. 00:17:48.050 --> 00:17:55.460 align:middle line:84% Yeah, so zines have been, for me, about community, especially 00:17:55.460 --> 00:18:03.360 align:middle line:84% as a disabled introvert, like mostly homebound person. 00:18:03.360 --> 00:18:06.590 align:middle line:84% And so it's a way to connect with folks. 00:18:06.590 --> 00:18:11.210 align:middle line:84% And also the idea of zine fests, where 00:18:11.210 --> 00:18:14.900 align:middle line:84% there's like one, maybe two days where you go out, 00:18:14.900 --> 00:18:21.020 align:middle line:84% and you get to be around like a bunch of people, just 00:18:21.020 --> 00:18:26.210 align:middle line:84% doing their thing and showing their art and their craft. 00:18:26.210 --> 00:18:28.130 align:middle line:84% And just being able to be a part of that 00:18:28.130 --> 00:18:31.460 align:middle line:84% is one of my favorite things about zines, 00:18:31.460 --> 00:18:34.880 align:middle line:84% about art in general, just one of my favorite things. 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.510 align:middle line:84% And zines really were foundational in politicizing 00:18:38.510 --> 00:18:43.670 align:middle line:90% me, like incredibly. 00:18:43.670 --> 00:18:48.080 align:middle line:84% Also, they can be incredible resources. 00:18:48.080 --> 00:18:53.300 align:middle line:84% Like Rhea said, they're a great opportunity for collaboration. 00:18:53.300 --> 00:19:00.250 align:middle line:84% Just-- I just feel so connected to zines as also a way 00:19:00.250 --> 00:19:06.070 align:middle line:84% to circumvent the way that publishing is gatekept for many 00:19:06.070 --> 00:19:07.660 align:middle line:90% people-- 00:19:07.660 --> 00:19:11.530 align:middle line:90% most people, I would say. 00:19:11.530 --> 00:19:14.740 align:middle line:84% And it's just a really cool way to take back power 00:19:14.740 --> 00:19:18.910 align:middle line:84% into our own hands and use our voices and our art 00:19:18.910 --> 00:19:25.630 align:middle line:84% and the core of who we are and put it out there 00:19:25.630 --> 00:19:28.930 align:middle line:84% and have it be available to people, 00:19:28.930 --> 00:19:31.960 align:middle line:84% and have access to other people's hearts 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:33.760 align:middle line:90% and art and words. 00:19:33.760 --> 00:19:38.590 align:middle line:90% And it's amazing. 00:19:38.590 --> 00:19:39.400 align:middle line:90% It's radical. 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.050 align:middle line:90% Like it truly is. 00:19:41.050 --> 00:19:43.650 align:middle line:90% It truly is. 00:19:43.650 --> 00:19:48.000 align:middle line:84% Are zines the focal point of your art making and activism, 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.900 align:middle line:84% or do you see it more as a secondary part of a larger 00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:53.190 align:middle line:90% practice? 00:19:53.190 --> 00:19:56.460 align:middle line:84% And I guess a lot of what we've been talking about so far 00:19:56.460 --> 00:20:03.390 align:middle line:84% is sort of your relationship to zines and that art style, 00:20:03.390 --> 00:20:06.300 align:middle line:84% like getting your feet into it and learning about it sort 00:20:06.300 --> 00:20:07.380 align:middle line:90% of as an observer. 00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:10.350 align:middle line:84% And now we're kind of getting into the part where 00:20:10.350 --> 00:20:12.480 align:middle line:90% you're already in that space. 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:14.400 align:middle line:90% You've been there for a while. 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:18.330 align:middle line:84% And so at this point in time, how do you 00:20:18.330 --> 00:20:22.230 align:middle line:90% view that art practice of zines? 00:20:22.230 --> 00:20:26.730 align:middle line:84% Is that your primary practice, or is it 00:20:26.730 --> 00:20:31.470 align:middle line:84% serving as an extension of this other, maybe larger thing 00:20:31.470 --> 00:20:34.320 align:middle line:90% that you're working on? 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:35.070 align:middle line:90% Floor is open. 00:20:35.070 --> 00:20:38.210 align:middle line:90% 00:20:38.210 --> 00:20:40.140 align:middle line:90% I'll go ahead and jump in. 00:20:40.140 --> 00:20:44.990 align:middle line:84% So I guess I would consider myself an artist who 00:20:44.990 --> 00:20:47.540 align:middle line:90% does a lot of different things. 00:20:47.540 --> 00:20:52.890 align:middle line:84% Zine making has definitely been part of that for a long time. 00:20:52.890 --> 00:20:58.790 align:middle line:84% I also paint, make music, just keep a journal. 00:20:58.790 --> 00:21:01.470 align:middle line:90% So in the sense-- 00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:05.160 align:middle line:84% I wouldn't say that zine making is my primary focus when 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:09.930 align:middle line:84% it comes to my art life, but it has been very therapeutic 00:21:09.930 --> 00:21:12.600 align:middle line:84% and very helpful when I'm feeling discouraged 00:21:12.600 --> 00:21:14.550 align:middle line:84% or when I'm not-- feeling like I'm 00:21:14.550 --> 00:21:17.355 align:middle line:84% unproductive in other ways when it comes to making art. 00:21:17.355 --> 00:21:20.935 align:middle line:84% A zine is almost something I can put together in a night if I-- 00:21:20.935 --> 00:21:21.810 align:middle line:90% you know what I mean? 00:21:21.810 --> 00:21:25.030 align:middle line:84% Because I do pretty low-brow stuff. 00:21:25.030 --> 00:21:26.610 align:middle line:90% It's not fine tuned. 00:21:26.610 --> 00:21:29.400 align:middle line:84% So I can go through sketchbooks and find drawings I like 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:31.623 align:middle line:84% or illustrations that I like and kind of 00:21:31.623 --> 00:21:33.540 align:middle line:84% knock something out and do something physical, 00:21:33.540 --> 00:21:36.010 align:middle line:90% too, put it all together. 00:21:36.010 --> 00:21:38.550 align:middle line:84% I mean, for everything from printing the stuff out, 00:21:38.550 --> 00:21:43.140 align:middle line:84% like laying it out, figuring out a dummy model and what pages 00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:45.630 align:middle line:84% are going to be butted up against the other pages, 00:21:45.630 --> 00:21:49.140 align:middle line:84% doing it at home, cutting everything, stapling 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:50.040 align:middle line:90% everything. 00:21:50.040 --> 00:21:52.350 align:middle line:90% And it's just, it's art therapy. 00:21:52.350 --> 00:21:55.590 align:middle line:84% It's making something with your hands, 00:21:55.590 --> 00:21:57.960 align:middle line:84% and your mind gets a little clarity 00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.820 align:middle line:90% for even just a few hours. 00:21:59.820 --> 00:22:02.410 align:middle line:84% And then you just-- you have something to show for it. 00:22:02.410 --> 00:22:04.660 align:middle line:84% And at that time, you did all that work for yourself. 00:22:04.660 --> 00:22:06.850 align:middle line:90% So you want to just give it out. 00:22:06.850 --> 00:22:08.070 align:middle line:90% You want to keep it-- 00:22:08.070 --> 00:22:09.732 align:middle line:90% here's, you want it for free? 00:22:09.732 --> 00:22:10.440 align:middle line:90% Take it for free. 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:11.430 align:middle line:90% You want to pay me $3? 00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:11.940 align:middle line:90% Pay me $3. 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:12.690 align:middle line:90% It doesn't matter. 00:22:12.690 --> 00:22:15.450 align:middle line:84% It's not hours and hours of painting 00:22:15.450 --> 00:22:18.700 align:middle line:84% where you feel like it's more valuable. 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:20.130 align:middle line:84% I don't know what it is, exactly, 00:22:20.130 --> 00:22:23.580 align:middle line:84% but yeah, I guess to answer the question more directly, 00:22:23.580 --> 00:22:28.170 align:middle line:84% zine making is part of my business and art life, but not 00:22:28.170 --> 00:22:31.800 align:middle line:90% necessarily the entire focus. 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:32.475 align:middle line:90% I can go next. 00:22:32.475 --> 00:22:35.450 align:middle line:90% 00:22:35.450 --> 00:22:40.970 align:middle line:84% Zine making is not my primary-- has not been my primary focus. 00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:46.690 align:middle line:84% My primary focus art wise has been just writing literature, 00:22:46.690 --> 00:22:47.740 align:middle line:90% writing short stories. 00:22:47.740 --> 00:22:50.860 align:middle line:84% And where they end up, I've posted them 00:22:50.860 --> 00:22:54.580 align:middle line:84% on blogs or online magazines and magazines. 00:22:54.580 --> 00:22:57.200 align:middle line:84% So that, so far, has been my focus. 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:02.020 align:middle line:84% But now that I'm teaching, and especially teaching kids, 00:23:02.020 --> 00:23:04.120 align:middle line:84% because I have been teaching adults for a while, 00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:07.810 align:middle line:84% and this is my first time teaching underage people, 00:23:07.810 --> 00:23:10.900 align:middle line:90% humans, and I want to bring-- 00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:14.410 align:middle line:84% like zine making is huge on my heart 00:23:14.410 --> 00:23:16.660 align:middle line:84% now, and especially because Rhea is back in town. 00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:18.880 align:middle line:90% So we got to do some zine-- 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.610 align:middle line:84% we got to do some zine events last year that's 00:23:21.610 --> 00:23:23.960 align:middle line:90% getting me all zine happy. 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.880 align:middle line:84% So now one of my main publishing goals for my publishing company 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:31.660 align:middle line:90% is to create-- 00:23:31.660 --> 00:23:33.230 align:middle line:90% and this is just a goal. 00:23:33.230 --> 00:23:36.460 align:middle line:84% We'll see what happens, but it's probably going to happen-- 00:23:36.460 --> 00:23:40.030 align:middle line:84% the Zine Zine, which is just a big yearly book 00:23:40.030 --> 00:23:43.400 align:middle line:84% of all the zines I can collect in southern California 00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:47.570 align:middle line:84% throughout the year, like from June to June type vibe. 00:23:47.570 --> 00:23:51.430 align:middle line:84% So I think that it's a ebb and flow 00:23:51.430 --> 00:23:53.230 align:middle line:84% because I'm always creating zines, 00:23:53.230 --> 00:23:54.850 align:middle line:84% even if I'm not putting them out. 00:23:54.850 --> 00:23:56.802 align:middle line:90% Like Wolverine has zines. 00:23:56.802 --> 00:23:59.260 align:middle line:84% Wolverine is my kid-- sorry, for anybody that doesn't know, 00:23:59.260 --> 00:24:00.500 align:middle line:90% Wolverine's my son. 00:24:00.500 --> 00:24:02.170 align:middle line:90% His name is Wolverine. 00:24:02.170 --> 00:24:03.400 align:middle line:90% And he has zines. 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.350 align:middle line:90% There's the Wolverine Zine. 00:24:05.350 --> 00:24:12.190 align:middle line:84% So zine making is not a primary focus of my art, 00:24:12.190 --> 00:24:16.450 align:middle line:84% but it is a huge part of, like Matt said, 00:24:16.450 --> 00:24:19.670 align:middle line:90% my spiritual and mental health. 00:24:19.670 --> 00:24:20.290 align:middle line:90% It is a part. 00:24:20.290 --> 00:24:26.620 align:middle line:84% Like I do zines like I do yoga, like it's a part of-- 00:24:26.620 --> 00:24:28.210 align:middle line:84% to even to work out certain ideas, 00:24:28.210 --> 00:24:31.760 align:middle line:84% like just juxtaposing, like you said, designing something minor 00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:32.260 align:middle line:90% that might-- 00:24:32.260 --> 00:24:34.210 align:middle line:84% I want to become something bigger. 00:24:34.210 --> 00:24:36.440 align:middle line:90% I do that constantly. 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.530 align:middle line:84% So yeah, I wouldn't call that a focus. 00:24:38.530 --> 00:24:41.950 align:middle line:84% I would almost call it like the anti focus, 00:24:41.950 --> 00:24:44.350 align:middle line:84% like the thing that helps me be able to focus 00:24:44.350 --> 00:24:46.655 align:middle line:90% on everything else, you know. 00:24:46.655 --> 00:24:47.155 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:24:47.155 --> 00:24:51.180 align:middle line:90% 00:24:51.180 --> 00:25:00.590 align:middle line:84% Zines for me have been more connected to my organizing work 00:25:00.590 --> 00:25:04.140 align:middle line:84% that I do than my creative identity. 00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:14.080 align:middle line:84% I am a musician and a writer, and I do use zines 00:25:14.080 --> 00:25:18.130 align:middle line:84% as a really powerful personal outlet. 00:25:18.130 --> 00:25:21.310 align:middle line:84% However, yeah, the majority of my relationship to zines 00:25:21.310 --> 00:25:25.720 align:middle line:84% has been organizing zine fests, zine events, opportunities 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:29.740 align:middle line:90% for people to meet one another. 00:25:29.740 --> 00:25:33.220 align:middle line:84% Because that is a huge, huge passion of mine, 00:25:33.220 --> 00:25:37.390 align:middle line:84% particularly in a city that is so spread out. 00:25:37.390 --> 00:25:45.170 align:middle line:84% And finding-- continuing to find more accessible ways to connect 00:25:45.170 --> 00:25:48.320 align:middle line:90% people through zines. 00:25:48.320 --> 00:25:52.280 align:middle line:84% I also, in my work with Uhuru, who I mentioned 00:25:52.280 --> 00:25:56.150 align:middle line:90% as part of #SNATCHPOWER-- 00:25:56.150 --> 00:26:00.710 align:middle line:84% I can hear Sondria saying "snatch" in the background-- 00:26:00.710 --> 00:26:08.010 align:middle line:84% Uhuru is also a founding member of a band 00:26:08.010 --> 00:26:13.410 align:middle line:84% called Fuck U Pay Us and is currently living in New Orleans 00:26:13.410 --> 00:26:18.660 align:middle line:84% and has just purchased a home that 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:21.210 align:middle line:84% is going to be a artist residency 00:26:21.210 --> 00:26:28.740 align:middle line:84% space for other QTBIPOC, trans, disabled, 00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:33.060 align:middle line:84% sex workers-- all kinds of folks can take refuge in this space. 00:26:33.060 --> 00:26:37.410 align:middle line:84% And the journey of buying that home 00:26:37.410 --> 00:26:41.550 align:middle line:84% was something that Uhuru and I worked closely together 00:26:41.550 --> 00:26:45.870 align:middle line:90% on for years to learn about. 00:26:45.870 --> 00:26:49.800 align:middle line:84% And through our process of organizing and learning 00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:54.450 align:middle line:84% about that experience, I documented 00:26:54.450 --> 00:26:55.500 align:middle line:90% pretty much everything. 00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:58.560 align:middle line:84% I transcribed everything during our meetings, 00:26:58.560 --> 00:27:01.350 align:middle line:84% and we started creating zines together 00:27:01.350 --> 00:27:07.350 align:middle line:84% about housing discrimination, about the racist practices 00:27:07.350 --> 00:27:10.230 align:middle line:84% of mortgage lending and credit scores. 00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:21.010 align:middle line:84% And I have been editing those into zines that I hope to-- 00:27:21.010 --> 00:27:21.510 align:middle line:90% [BARK] 00:27:21.510 --> 00:27:22.858 align:middle line:90% Oh, here we go. 00:27:22.858 --> 00:27:24.322 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:27:24.322 --> 00:27:28.038 align:middle line:90% 00:27:28.038 --> 00:27:29.330 align:middle line:90% I'm going to come back to that. 00:27:29.330 --> 00:27:31.230 align:middle line:90% He's going to have a moment. 00:27:31.230 --> 00:27:33.940 align:middle line:90% Jen, you want to hop in? 00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:35.890 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:27:35.890 --> 00:27:40.660 align:middle line:84% When I first started making zines, 00:27:40.660 --> 00:27:46.570 align:middle line:84% I think my focus was giving myself a voice, which 00:27:46.570 --> 00:27:51.020 align:middle line:90% I think was important. 00:27:51.020 --> 00:27:57.500 align:middle line:84% But I think my focus with zines now, especially within my art 00:27:57.500 --> 00:28:04.500 align:middle line:84% and activism practice, is to uplift voices of queer femmes. 00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:07.290 align:middle line:90% 00:28:07.290 --> 00:28:12.090 align:middle line:84% And one of the ways I do that is with a zine 00:28:12.090 --> 00:28:13.950 align:middle line:90% called Hairy Femme Mother. 00:28:13.950 --> 00:28:16.740 align:middle line:84% And it's submission based, and it 00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:20.280 align:middle line:84% talks about the nuances of body hair 00:28:20.280 --> 00:28:25.405 align:middle line:84% for queer femmes of any gender with a-- 00:28:25.405 --> 00:28:29.600 align:middle line:90% 00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:36.440 align:middle line:84% I do try to prioritize Black Indigenous POC femmes because I 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.780 align:middle line:84% think those experiences are rarely 00:28:38.780 --> 00:28:44.630 align:middle line:84% talked about when we're talking about body hair, queer femme 00:28:44.630 --> 00:28:46.830 align:middle line:90% or not. 00:28:46.830 --> 00:28:50.600 align:middle line:84% And so that's something that's very important to me, 00:28:50.600 --> 00:28:57.851 align:middle line:84% that I can use whatever platform I have to, you know, 00:28:57.851 --> 00:29:01.220 align:middle line:84% share those-- share that art, share that discourse, 00:29:01.220 --> 00:29:06.570 align:middle line:84% share that knowledge, that power. 00:29:06.570 --> 00:29:12.940 align:middle line:84% And so through doing that zine, it's 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:16.330 align:middle line:84% really helped me learn how to be of service, how 00:29:16.330 --> 00:29:23.210 align:middle line:84% to use what I have access to and the gifts that I have to help-- 00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:25.910 align:middle line:84% not even just help other people, but share 00:29:25.910 --> 00:29:33.590 align:middle line:84% that with other people, connect people, let people know, 00:29:33.590 --> 00:29:34.640 align:middle line:90% hey, this person's cool. 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.910 align:middle line:90% Check out what they're doing. 00:29:37.910 --> 00:29:40.760 align:middle line:84% Or they have something important to say. 00:29:40.760 --> 00:29:41.720 align:middle line:90% Listen. 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.860 align:middle line:84% And so it's been very collaborative for me, 00:29:45.860 --> 00:29:51.760 align:middle line:84% and that's really, I want to say, the core of what I do now. 00:29:51.760 --> 00:29:57.050 align:middle line:84% It's really been-- it was the starting point for me 00:29:57.050 --> 00:30:01.100 align:middle line:84% to refocus, like go inward, do that work, 00:30:01.100 --> 00:30:03.440 align:middle line:90% and then be like, OK, I'm ready. 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.060 align:middle line:90% Let me go outward. 00:30:05.060 --> 00:30:08.720 align:middle line:84% How can I be of service to my community, the greater 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:09.920 align:middle line:90% community? 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.830 align:middle line:84% So yeah, so it's very important to what I do now. 00:30:12.830 --> 00:30:15.880 align:middle line:90% 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:16.870 align:middle line:90% Thank you all. 00:30:16.870 --> 00:30:19.540 align:middle line:84% I love-- like Adam mentioned earlier, 00:30:19.540 --> 00:30:23.650 align:middle line:84% I love how this conversation is just organically progressing 00:30:23.650 --> 00:30:28.790 align:middle line:90% as our questions are coming up. 00:30:28.790 --> 00:30:31.240 align:middle line:84% And so there's a lot of themes that all of you 00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.150 align:middle line:84% have shared, such as the theme of liberation, 00:30:34.150 --> 00:30:39.340 align:middle line:84% the theme of activism, and how community really 00:30:39.340 --> 00:30:41.480 align:middle line:90% forms part of zine culture. 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:43.930 align:middle line:84% And so the next question is, what 00:30:43.930 --> 00:30:48.610 align:middle line:84% is the role of community in zine making practices, 00:30:48.610 --> 00:30:50.920 align:middle line:90% and how do you use zines-- 00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:56.120 align:middle line:84% and how do you use zine making to build community? 00:30:56.120 --> 00:31:00.807 align:middle line:84% To me, zine making is about building communities and then 00:31:00.807 --> 00:31:02.140 align:middle line:90% sharing your communities, right? 00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:04.450 align:middle line:84% So it's like, you get your friends together, 00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:06.538 align:middle line:84% and you do something, and then you 00:31:06.538 --> 00:31:08.080 align:middle line:84% want to share that with other people. 00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:10.163 align:middle line:84% And then they have their own community of friends, 00:31:10.163 --> 00:31:12.263 align:middle line:84% and then you make friends with that group. 00:31:12.263 --> 00:31:13.930 align:middle line:84% And then it's a bigger community, right? 00:31:13.930 --> 00:31:15.680 align:middle line:84% And you build and build and build. 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.920 align:middle line:84% And there's definitely direct avenues 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.990 align:middle line:84% that you can take when you're doing zine making, 00:31:21.990 --> 00:31:25.410 align:middle line:84% whether it's focusing on this or that in your zine making. 00:31:25.410 --> 00:31:29.760 align:middle line:84% But ultimately, the idea of it brings everyone together, 00:31:29.760 --> 00:31:31.590 align:middle line:90% in my experience. 00:31:31.590 --> 00:31:33.180 align:middle line:90% Oh, you do an art zine? 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:34.380 align:middle line:90% Oh, I do a writing zine. 00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:35.880 align:middle line:90% Oh, I do a poetry zine. 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:37.800 align:middle line:90% Like, oh, we do short stories. 00:31:37.800 --> 00:31:40.410 align:middle line:90% We do pictures and photos. 00:31:40.410 --> 00:31:44.940 align:middle line:84% And you vibe off each other, and then you meet new people, 00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:47.830 align:middle line:90% and then your connections grow. 00:31:47.830 --> 00:31:51.300 align:middle line:84% And through that, it helps bring everyone together. 00:31:51.300 --> 00:31:53.850 align:middle line:84% You don't focus on what's different about what you do, 00:31:53.850 --> 00:31:57.990 align:middle line:84% but more that you guys are doing similar things. 00:31:57.990 --> 00:32:01.620 align:middle line:84% And maybe that comes from music and bands and playing 00:32:01.620 --> 00:32:05.100 align:middle line:84% with people that you don't know and different styles 00:32:05.100 --> 00:32:05.910 align:middle line:90% and whatever. 00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:09.570 align:middle line:84% If someone comes to your town and is a touring band, 00:32:09.570 --> 00:32:11.700 align:middle line:84% maybe you sleep-- they sleep on your floor. 00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:13.440 align:middle line:84% And maybe when you go up to their city, 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.700 align:middle line:90% you sleep on their floor. 00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:16.920 align:middle line:84% And you build a community through just 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.490 align:middle line:84% connecting with each other on that basic level. 00:32:20.490 --> 00:32:23.580 align:middle line:84% And zines really provide that for a lot of people, I think. 00:32:23.580 --> 00:32:26.190 align:middle line:90% 00:32:26.190 --> 00:32:27.150 align:middle line:90% Sondria. 00:32:27.150 --> 00:32:31.620 align:middle line:84% All right, looks like we have a pattern going. 00:32:31.620 --> 00:32:32.790 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:32:32.790 --> 00:32:40.180 align:middle line:84% For me-- I think that zines are the community, to a degree. 00:32:40.180 --> 00:32:45.170 align:middle line:84% It's almost like you're part of the community before you know. 00:32:45.170 --> 00:32:49.010 align:middle line:84% But then when you have a zine experience, 00:32:49.010 --> 00:32:51.380 align:middle line:84% a brush with zines or a brush with as zinester, 00:32:51.380 --> 00:32:54.750 align:middle line:84% and then the zine in you activates kind of vibe. 00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:56.720 align:middle line:90% So it's like you're-- 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.350 align:middle line:84% everybody has this little bit of, you know, 00:32:59.350 --> 00:33:00.650 align:middle line:90% a little zine spark in them. 00:33:00.650 --> 00:33:04.247 align:middle line:84% It's just about, are you about to be initiated or what. 00:33:04.247 --> 00:33:06.080 align:middle line:84% So I feel like it's like a-- or even a skull 00:33:06.080 --> 00:33:08.810 align:middle line:84% and crossbones type vibe, like secret society. 00:33:08.810 --> 00:33:10.310 align:middle line:84% And then it just-- something clicks. 00:33:10.310 --> 00:33:12.740 align:middle line:84% Like the day that [INAUDIBLE] took me to the zine fest, 00:33:12.740 --> 00:33:15.020 align:middle line:84% it was like nobody had to tell me-- 00:33:15.020 --> 00:33:17.000 align:middle line:84% once I was in the building, all I had to do 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.650 align:middle line:90% was walk in and see it. 00:33:18.650 --> 00:33:21.342 align:middle line:84% And then it was like, I knew exactly what 00:33:21.342 --> 00:33:22.550 align:middle line:90% I was going to do after that. 00:33:22.550 --> 00:33:24.290 align:middle line:90% Like, I know I'm-- oh. 00:33:24.290 --> 00:33:25.248 align:middle line:90% I have a book for that. 00:33:25.248 --> 00:33:26.623 align:middle line:84% I know how I'm going to table it. 00:33:26.623 --> 00:33:27.680 align:middle line:90% I know how, you know? 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.080 align:middle line:84% And then I linked up with #SNATCHPOWER, 00:33:30.080 --> 00:33:32.360 align:middle line:84% and #SNATCHPOWER got-- they're like, oh, wait. 00:33:32.360 --> 00:33:34.010 align:middle line:90% We can put this stuff in print? 00:33:34.010 --> 00:33:36.560 align:middle line:84% We can-- everything that we're doing politically, 00:33:36.560 --> 00:33:38.400 align:middle line:90% we can make this a print thing. 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.330 align:middle line:90% And so that became-- 00:33:41.330 --> 00:33:43.400 align:middle line:84% but those things already existed, you know? 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:49.400 align:middle line:84% So I think that zines, either the zine is the community, 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.070 align:middle line:84% or the community is already the zine. 00:33:52.070 --> 00:33:55.310 align:middle line:84% It's just about rubbing together and catching that activation 00:33:55.310 --> 00:33:56.100 align:middle line:90% at the right time. 00:33:56.100 --> 00:33:59.060 align:middle line:84% And I think a lot of times the zine fests-- 00:33:59.060 --> 00:34:03.660 align:middle line:84% zine fests are a way to initiate those organic pop offs. 00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:09.120 align:middle line:84% Because the whole festival, your mind is blown about how-- 00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:12.000 align:middle line:84% I learned-- I learned about so many different types of people 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.697 align:middle line:84% through their zines and through going to zine fests 00:34:14.697 --> 00:34:17.280 align:middle line:84% that I would not have normally connected with, that I normally 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:18.929 align:middle line:84% might have been looking at them like, eh, mm, 00:34:18.929 --> 00:34:20.580 align:middle line:84% I don't know, looking like a colonizer. 00:34:20.580 --> 00:34:22.350 align:middle line:84% But I'm like, no, this motherfucker's down 00:34:22.350 --> 00:34:24.210 align:middle line:84% because I got to read their words at the zine fest-- 00:34:24.210 --> 00:34:26.610 align:middle line:84% the fact that they're even in the zine fest building shows 00:34:26.610 --> 00:34:28.110 align:middle line:84% that they're down in the first place 00:34:28.110 --> 00:34:31.300 align:middle line:84% because it ain't easy not to be down in those spaces, which 00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:31.800 align:middle line:90% we love. 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:33.330 align:middle line:84% Like we wanted that to be the vibe. 00:34:33.330 --> 00:34:36.360 align:middle line:84% Like don't be in here taking up space that's 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.219 align:middle line:84% supposed to be independent space or supposed 00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:40.380 align:middle line:84% to be people of color space or supposed to be-- unless you're 00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:41.610 align:middle line:90% with the shits, you know? 00:34:41.610 --> 00:34:45.989 align:middle line:84% So I think that that thing already exists. 00:34:45.989 --> 00:34:48.150 align:middle line:90% And then the zine-- 00:34:48.150 --> 00:34:50.040 align:middle line:84% zines existing kind of activates it. 00:34:50.040 --> 00:34:51.670 align:middle line:90% But yes, I'm going to stop. 00:34:51.670 --> 00:34:53.190 align:middle line:90% I feel like I'm rambling now. 00:34:53.190 --> 00:34:56.159 align:middle line:84% No, no, actually, what you share right now 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.520 align:middle line:84% got me thinking that maybe the actual physical zine is 00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:03.150 align:middle line:90% the tangible community. 00:35:03.150 --> 00:35:07.270 align:middle line:84% And you're able to hand it out and pass it around. 00:35:07.270 --> 00:35:08.830 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Sondria. 00:35:08.830 --> 00:35:11.940 align:middle line:90% Jen, would you like to go next? 00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:12.440 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.840 align:middle line:90% The way that the zine-- 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:20.830 align:middle line:84% like zines are community for me is 00:35:20.830 --> 00:35:24.760 align:middle line:84% it's an opportunity to connect with all kinds 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.690 align:middle line:90% of different people. 00:35:26.690 --> 00:35:29.590 align:middle line:84% It's an accessible way to connect, typically, 00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:31.975 align:middle line:84% with all kinds of different people. 00:35:31.975 --> 00:35:36.550 align:middle line:90% 00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:39.300 align:middle line:84% It can be teaching moments, right? 00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:43.290 align:middle line:84% Like zines can be resources in terms 00:35:43.290 --> 00:35:54.460 align:middle line:84% of recipe sharing, herbalism, DIY stuff, 00:35:54.460 --> 00:35:57.160 align:middle line:90% political type of zines. 00:35:57.160 --> 00:36:03.470 align:middle line:84% And so it really is putting the power of communication 00:36:03.470 --> 00:36:10.780 align:middle line:84% and knowledge and art back into the community in really 00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:14.180 align:middle line:90% incredible ways, I think. 00:36:14.180 --> 00:36:19.080 align:middle line:84% It gives people that don't normally have a voice, a voice. 00:36:19.080 --> 00:36:30.090 align:middle line:84% It gives-- it's just this way to connect, to share, and to learn 00:36:30.090 --> 00:36:34.155 align:middle line:84% and listen and witness and to commune. 00:36:34.155 --> 00:36:34.655 align:middle line:90% So-- 00:36:34.655 --> 00:36:38.429 align:middle line:90% 00:36:38.429 --> 00:36:41.150 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I echo so much of what you all are saying. 00:36:41.150 --> 00:36:47.100 align:middle line:84% And I think what I want to add is 00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:51.060 align:middle line:90% that community is complicated. 00:36:51.060 --> 00:36:59.810 align:middle line:84% And a big part of what I have experienced and learned 00:36:59.810 --> 00:37:04.400 align:middle line:84% and grown from in various communities where 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:10.280 align:middle line:90% zines are a focus is a lot of-- 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.620 align:middle line:84% I've experienced a lot of painful-- 00:37:12.620 --> 00:37:15.140 align:middle line:84% personal painful learning moments. 00:37:15.140 --> 00:37:22.400 align:middle line:84% Like I have made zines that are a reflection of the space I 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.340 align:middle line:84% was-- the knowledge I had at the time, 00:37:25.340 --> 00:37:30.740 align:middle line:84% that were a reflection of the identity I held at the time. 00:37:30.740 --> 00:37:33.890 align:middle line:84% And I look back on those zines, and I'm very cringy. 00:37:33.890 --> 00:37:38.840 align:middle line:84% I'm like, wow, this is very white feminist, like-- 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.030 align:middle line:90% and I was just passing it out. 00:37:41.030 --> 00:37:42.230 align:middle line:90% Like, don't worry. 00:37:42.230 --> 00:37:43.010 align:middle line:90% It's free. 00:37:43.010 --> 00:37:45.200 align:middle line:90% Like, oh my god. 00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:47.780 align:middle line:84% I want to-- and I can't get that back. 00:37:47.780 --> 00:37:50.720 align:middle line:90% 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:53.450 align:middle line:84% It was-- that's one of the really interesting, 00:37:53.450 --> 00:37:56.000 align:middle line:84% powerful things about zines is that you 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.770 align:middle line:84% don't have an editor that's sitting there like, OK, this 00:38:00.770 --> 00:38:02.750 align:middle line:90% is problematic. 00:38:02.750 --> 00:38:06.650 align:middle line:84% A lot of times, you have to be that editor that's 00:38:06.650 --> 00:38:09.230 align:middle line:84% checking yourself, and hopefully the people around you who 00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:11.510 align:middle line:90% you share it with. 00:38:11.510 --> 00:38:14.840 align:middle line:84% And yeah, I've had to really learn, 00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:19.700 align:middle line:84% what is the responsibility I have of someone making zines 00:38:19.700 --> 00:38:21.590 align:middle line:84% if I want to share that with people? 00:38:21.590 --> 00:38:25.340 align:middle line:84% Like there's a responsibility there. 00:38:25.340 --> 00:38:27.500 align:middle line:90% And I've gotten better at it. 00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:31.040 align:middle line:84% And I've also-- yeah, I've made some zines 00:38:31.040 --> 00:38:34.145 align:middle line:84% that I wish I could make disappear. 00:38:34.145 --> 00:38:36.620 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:38:36.620 --> 00:38:40.580 align:middle line:84% But it's just a reflection of me being a complete person 00:38:40.580 --> 00:38:43.940 align:middle line:84% willing to share my journey, and that 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:48.230 align:middle line:84% is all the celebratory things and all the things about me 00:38:48.230 --> 00:38:51.710 align:middle line:84% that just make me a complicated-ass regular degular 00:38:51.710 --> 00:38:52.370 align:middle line:90% person. 00:38:52.370 --> 00:38:56.090 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:38:56.090 --> 00:38:56.930 align:middle line:90% Wonderful. 00:38:56.930 --> 00:38:57.440 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:59.510 align:middle line:84% Thank you for all of those insights. 00:38:59.510 --> 00:39:02.270 align:middle line:90% 00:39:02.270 --> 00:39:06.800 align:middle line:84% I feel like even in this panel discussion we're having now, 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.510 align:middle line:90% we're building community. 00:39:08.510 --> 00:39:12.890 align:middle line:84% Because we all came together from our network, right? 00:39:12.890 --> 00:39:17.240 align:middle line:84% And I know some of you, and some of you I don't, but now I do. 00:39:17.240 --> 00:39:21.440 align:middle line:84% And now I'm probably going to go follow you on IG after this, 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.270 align:middle line:84% and hopefully you all follow each other. 00:39:23.270 --> 00:39:26.660 align:middle line:84% And I'm so elated for our 性视界 community 00:39:26.660 --> 00:39:30.020 align:middle line:84% to see you all in the physical space next week 00:39:30.020 --> 00:39:31.340 align:middle line:90% when the Zine Fest returns. 00:39:31.340 --> 00:39:34.040 align:middle line:90% And just knowing that-- 00:39:34.040 --> 00:39:36.200 align:middle line:84% thinking about the first question of how you all 00:39:36.200 --> 00:39:40.040 align:middle line:84% got into zines, like, your zine could very well 00:39:40.040 --> 00:39:43.220 align:middle line:84% be that for a community member at 性视界. 00:39:43.220 --> 00:39:44.300 align:middle line:90% And that's incredible. 00:39:44.300 --> 00:39:46.640 align:middle line:84% So we're keeping the legacy going. 00:39:46.640 --> 00:39:47.605 align:middle line:90% And I was just like-- 00:39:47.605 --> 00:39:48.980 align:middle line:84% hearing what you were all saying, 00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:52.490 align:middle line:84% like what Jen was talking about, I just-- it 00:39:52.490 --> 00:39:57.020 align:middle line:84% gave me this idea that zine fests are kind of like farmers 00:39:57.020 --> 00:39:59.270 align:middle line:90% markets for ideas. 00:39:59.270 --> 00:39:59.900 align:middle line:90% You know? 00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:04.910 align:middle line:84% And I just think that's so-- that feels very communal to me. 00:40:04.910 --> 00:40:09.280 align:middle line:84% And you all talked a lot about the idea of the tangible, 00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:10.400 align:middle line:90% like Sandra said. 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.620 align:middle line:90% The idea of the tangible zine-- 00:40:12.620 --> 00:40:14.990 align:middle line:84% and we're talking about a physical space 00:40:14.990 --> 00:40:16.910 align:middle line:90% and going to a zine fest. 00:40:16.910 --> 00:40:22.790 align:middle line:84% And then when we think about that for this next question, 00:40:22.790 --> 00:40:24.800 align:middle line:84% this technological moment that we've 00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:28.700 align:middle line:84% been in now for the better part of two-- 00:40:28.700 --> 00:40:32.510 align:middle line:84% almost two decades now with social media, 00:40:32.510 --> 00:40:36.260 align:middle line:84% where does zine culture fit with social media? 00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:39.230 align:middle line:84% How and why do you feel like zines are still 00:40:39.230 --> 00:40:40.925 align:middle line:84% relevant in the age of social media? 00:40:40.925 --> 00:40:45.210 align:middle line:90% 00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:47.790 align:middle line:90% I can take this, please, ASAP. 00:40:47.790 --> 00:40:48.990 align:middle line:90% I love paper. 00:40:48.990 --> 00:40:50.760 align:middle line:90% I love paper. 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.490 align:middle line:84% It does not matter how fast the phone moves. 00:40:53.490 --> 00:40:56.430 align:middle line:84% It doesn't matter how long the battery lasts. 00:40:56.430 --> 00:40:58.530 align:middle line:90% I fucking hate screens so bad. 00:40:58.530 --> 00:41:02.730 align:middle line:84% [LAUGHS] So to me, aesthetically, 00:41:02.730 --> 00:41:07.320 align:middle line:84% like that human thing that I have, I feel like it's not-- 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:08.970 align:middle line:90% I'm not alone in that thing. 00:41:08.970 --> 00:41:14.040 align:middle line:84% And zines may be the last fucking standing 00:41:14.040 --> 00:41:18.000 align:middle line:84% thing we have that's still paper because everything-- you know, 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.860 align:middle line:84% like the Boston Globe shut down, man. 00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:22.260 align:middle line:90% The Globe. 00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.750 align:middle line:84% Print is dead, you know what I'm saying? 00:41:24.750 --> 00:41:29.060 align:middle line:84% But zines are going to zombie that shit because zines 00:41:29.060 --> 00:41:31.720 align:middle line:84% ain't never going to let print die because that's their level. 00:41:31.720 --> 00:41:33.580 align:middle line:90% It's this hand-to-hand. 00:41:33.580 --> 00:41:35.590 align:middle line:90% It's part of the code. 00:41:35.590 --> 00:41:36.280 align:middle line:90% You know? 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.788 align:middle line:90% And I feel like that is the-- 00:41:38.788 --> 00:41:41.570 align:middle line:90% 00:41:41.570 --> 00:41:43.610 align:middle line:84% I like to call it like guerrilla publication, 00:41:43.610 --> 00:41:47.840 align:middle line:84% but it's like the street version of things. 00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.050 align:middle line:84% And the street version don't go out of style. 00:41:51.050 --> 00:41:51.980 align:middle line:90% It always sells. 00:41:51.980 --> 00:41:53.990 align:middle line:84% You can have as many dispensaries as you want. 00:41:53.990 --> 00:41:56.030 align:middle line:90% I bet you you still got a plug. 00:41:56.030 --> 00:41:57.890 align:middle line:90% So yeah. 00:41:57.890 --> 00:42:03.120 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:07.560 align:middle line:84% I want to say something around that, too. 00:42:07.560 --> 00:42:09.480 align:middle line:90% I love what you said, Sondria. 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.850 align:middle line:90% It is like a-- 00:42:11.850 --> 00:42:14.580 align:middle line:84% it's a physical connection, right? 00:42:14.580 --> 00:42:16.320 align:middle line:90% It's a way to connect. 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.050 align:middle line:84% My friend, Laurent Corralez, is really 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:26.120 align:middle line:84% expanding my idea around that in terms of accessibility. 00:42:26.120 --> 00:42:30.592 align:middle line:84% One of the things that he does is 00:42:30.592 --> 00:42:33.910 align:middle line:84% has like the paper format of zines, 00:42:33.910 --> 00:42:38.920 align:middle line:84% but then also records them and does like an audio zine, 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:46.480 align:middle line:84% and also scans them and has like the digital zine as a way 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:50.290 align:middle line:84% to circulate that information in-- 00:42:50.290 --> 00:42:52.330 align:middle line:90% with the tools that we have now. 00:42:52.330 --> 00:42:57.670 align:middle line:84% But also still doing the paper zine, right? 00:42:57.670 --> 00:43:01.880 align:middle line:84% Because that's becoming a lost art. 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.100 align:middle line:84% And when we don't have the internet anymore, 00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:08.830 align:middle line:90% we're going to have that paper. 00:43:08.830 --> 00:43:11.560 align:middle line:84% [LAUGHS] So that's exactly what you're talking about, 00:43:11.560 --> 00:43:12.430 align:middle line:90% and I feel that. 00:43:12.430 --> 00:43:16.610 align:middle line:90% Like yes, absolutely. 00:43:16.610 --> 00:43:19.470 align:middle line:84% I'm just going to piggyback off you guys. 00:43:19.470 --> 00:43:24.870 align:middle line:84% It's a romanticized idea of when the internet is gone 00:43:24.870 --> 00:43:26.640 align:middle line:84% and we're all reading by candlelight, 00:43:26.640 --> 00:43:29.280 align:middle line:84% but that we would still have something physical 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:33.360 align:middle line:84% to hold and to read and that information that you associate 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.030 align:middle line:84% with a certain time or memory in your own life, 00:43:36.030 --> 00:43:38.550 align:middle line:84% or an idea that sparked something in you years 00:43:38.550 --> 00:43:42.210 align:middle line:84% and years before is still there without electricity 00:43:42.210 --> 00:43:44.610 align:middle line:84% or batteries or anything needed, and that you 00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:45.760 align:middle line:90% can hold that in your hand. 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.940 align:middle line:84% And it might just be a crazy idea, 00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:53.350 align:middle line:84% but you never know what's going to happen. 00:43:53.350 --> 00:43:55.410 align:middle line:90% We live in a crazy world, right? 00:43:55.410 --> 00:43:57.870 align:middle line:84% So if everything was to shut down, 00:43:57.870 --> 00:44:02.310 align:middle line:84% at least we could bunker up and read all our books and zines 00:44:02.310 --> 00:44:05.320 align:middle line:84% and remember what we felt like when we got them. 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:09.580 align:middle line:90% 00:44:09.580 --> 00:44:16.780 align:middle line:84% I think one thing I will add to that is just 00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:24.040 align:middle line:84% thinking about surveillance, and you can certainly 00:44:24.040 --> 00:44:25.960 align:middle line:84% make a paper zine and pass it around. 00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:32.320 align:middle line:84% And there's surveillance cultures present in IRL spaces, 00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:34.420 align:middle line:90% of course. 00:44:34.420 --> 00:44:40.680 align:middle line:84% But yeah, there's just something about the-- 00:44:40.680 --> 00:44:45.980 align:middle line:84% yeah, just like the relationship to digital identities 00:44:45.980 --> 00:44:50.360 align:middle line:84% and the encouragement of us to be surveilling one another all 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:56.390 align:middle line:84% the time that I have found solace in in a zine, 00:44:56.390 --> 00:44:58.460 align:middle line:84% even if it's just making like a poetry zine 00:44:58.460 --> 00:44:59.705 align:middle line:90% that I give to five people. 00:44:59.705 --> 00:45:02.360 align:middle line:90% 00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:07.100 align:middle line:84% There's just, yeah, something special about that. 00:45:07.100 --> 00:45:10.910 align:middle line:84% Now that you've all shared your wealth of knowledge 00:45:10.910 --> 00:45:14.170 align:middle line:84% that you have gathered throughout the years, 00:45:14.170 --> 00:45:16.670 align:middle line:84% I'm going to ask the final official question, 00:45:16.670 --> 00:45:19.190 align:middle line:84% and then we're going to go ahead and open up to the Q&A 00:45:19.190 --> 00:45:21.440 align:middle line:84% with the audience, as well as the panelists 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:25.580 align:middle line:84% want to also ask each other a question, go for it. 00:45:25.580 --> 00:45:28.880 align:middle line:84% But what advice do you have to offer for people 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:32.840 align:middle line:90% getting started in zines? 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:35.280 align:middle line:84% I would say just do as much as you can. 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.980 align:middle line:90% There's no wrong way to do it. 00:45:36.980 --> 00:45:40.400 align:middle line:84% If you like what you're doing, if you're having fun making it, 00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:41.900 align:middle line:90% whatever you want to do, do it. 00:45:41.900 --> 00:45:44.300 align:middle line:84% I know, to call back a little bit of what 00:45:44.300 --> 00:45:47.890 align:middle line:84% Rhea said about looking back and seeing it-- maybe 00:45:47.890 --> 00:45:51.830 align:middle line:84% it was a little cringy and stuff that you wouldn't 100% 00:45:51.830 --> 00:45:53.855 align:middle line:90% write now or do now. 00:45:53.855 --> 00:45:55.230 align:middle line:84% It's in the moment, and we're all 00:45:55.230 --> 00:45:56.580 align:middle line:90% growing all the time, right? 00:45:56.580 --> 00:45:58.320 align:middle line:84% We're only getting-- we can only strive 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.480 align:middle line:84% to be better than we were in the past, right? 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.880 align:middle line:84% So it's like with every new project 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.100 align:middle line:84% you do and every new thing you approach, 00:46:07.100 --> 00:46:08.490 align:middle line:84% you're going to get better at it. 00:46:08.490 --> 00:46:10.790 align:middle line:84% But you're not going to get anywhere if you don't try 00:46:10.790 --> 00:46:12.230 align:middle line:90% or if you're scared to try. 00:46:12.230 --> 00:46:14.600 align:middle line:90% So just make as much as you can. 00:46:14.600 --> 00:46:15.680 align:middle line:90% Throw it out there. 00:46:15.680 --> 00:46:17.900 align:middle line:84% I mean, every artist could tell you, 00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:20.480 align:middle line:84% we look back on our songs and drawings and paintings 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.310 align:middle line:90% and we're like, man, it sucks. 00:46:22.310 --> 00:46:25.460 align:middle line:84% But you only get better by making shitty paintings. 00:46:25.460 --> 00:46:32.680 align:middle line:84% And that's as much as I can add, but just encourage yourself. 00:46:32.680 --> 00:46:34.090 align:middle line:90% I mean, encourage your friends. 00:46:34.090 --> 00:46:35.140 align:middle line:90% Build a community. 00:46:35.140 --> 00:46:36.850 align:middle line:90% Get people together. 00:46:36.850 --> 00:46:39.460 align:middle line:84% Be the one to be the catalyst that you want to see. 00:46:39.460 --> 00:46:43.040 align:middle line:90% 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:48.790 align:middle line:84% If it's your first time making zines, my advice would be, 00:46:48.790 --> 00:46:51.520 align:middle line:84% just know that your imagination is the limit. 00:46:51.520 --> 00:46:55.300 align:middle line:84% Even if you've seen all the zines, 00:46:55.300 --> 00:46:59.380 align:middle line:84% you haven't made yours yet, so you haven't seen all the zines. 00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:03.160 align:middle line:84% [LAUGHS] And I think that's something to consider. 00:47:03.160 --> 00:47:05.020 align:middle line:84% Whatever you want to bring to a zine 00:47:05.020 --> 00:47:08.870 align:middle line:84% is what will be now be a part of the zine community. 00:47:08.870 --> 00:47:10.990 align:middle line:84% That's how much effect you have and how much 00:47:10.990 --> 00:47:13.090 align:middle line:90% you matter within that space. 00:47:13.090 --> 00:47:17.500 align:middle line:84% You're not just anybody in that space. 00:47:17.500 --> 00:47:19.780 align:middle line:84% You're one of many, and you're one. 00:47:19.780 --> 00:47:21.400 align:middle line:90% So I think that that is-- 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.770 align:middle line:84% I think you should be creating with that 00:47:24.770 --> 00:47:27.920 align:middle line:84% in the front of your mind, that the community 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.880 align:middle line:84% that you're creating for cares and wants 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.420 align:middle line:90% to hear what you have to say. 00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:37.680 align:middle line:84% So you don't have to convince us to listen to you. 00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:40.220 align:middle line:84% So that might help when you're making art. 00:47:40.220 --> 00:47:41.720 align:middle line:90% We already want you. 00:47:41.720 --> 00:47:43.250 align:middle line:90% Come on. 00:47:43.250 --> 00:47:43.880 align:middle line:90% I think so. 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.470 align:middle line:90% Yeah, that's my advice. 00:47:45.470 --> 00:47:51.210 align:middle line:90% 00:47:51.210 --> 00:47:53.650 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Sondria. 00:47:53.650 --> 00:47:54.150 align:middle line:90% Rhea? 00:47:54.150 --> 00:47:59.400 align:middle line:90% 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.730 align:middle line:90% I would say I have-- 00:48:02.730 --> 00:48:08.070 align:middle line:84% the majority of my friends are other neurodivergent people. 00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:12.020 align:middle line:84% And I say that because everyone I 00:48:12.020 --> 00:48:19.850 align:middle line:84% know has these brilliant obsessions with info dumping. 00:48:19.850 --> 00:48:23.990 align:middle line:84% Like my friends will have like week of, 00:48:23.990 --> 00:48:30.020 align:middle line:84% like, oh, I'm obsessed with this particular historical event. 00:48:30.020 --> 00:48:32.370 align:middle line:84% And I've learned so much about it, 00:48:32.370 --> 00:48:35.030 align:middle line:84% and I feel so guilty because it's not productive, 00:48:35.030 --> 00:48:38.480 align:middle line:84% and it's not a reflection of capitalism. 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:42.590 align:middle line:84% Or I learned so much about this particular video game history 00:48:42.590 --> 00:48:46.610 align:middle line:84% and where the soundtrack comes from, 00:48:46.610 --> 00:48:48.770 align:middle line:84% and now I just feel really bad about myself 00:48:48.770 --> 00:48:51.320 align:middle line:84% because this-- like why did I just spend 00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:53.240 align:middle line:90% so much time doing that? 00:48:53.240 --> 00:48:56.660 align:middle line:84% Any time I hear my friends guilt tripping themselves 00:48:56.660 --> 00:49:01.385 align:middle line:84% about those types of interests, I'm like, zine. 00:49:01.385 --> 00:49:03.590 align:middle line:90% Make it a zine. 00:49:03.590 --> 00:49:04.880 align:middle line:90% Put it into a zine. 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:06.740 align:middle line:90% Maybe you won't even finish it. 00:49:06.740 --> 00:49:09.230 align:middle line:84% Maybe you'll lose interest, or you'll burn out, 00:49:09.230 --> 00:49:11.670 align:middle line:84% or you'll move on to something else. 00:49:11.670 --> 00:49:15.110 align:middle line:90% But that's OK. 00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:16.430 align:middle line:90% It's worthy. 00:49:16.430 --> 00:49:20.990 align:middle line:90% Like those-- it's a worthy-- 00:49:20.990 --> 00:49:22.790 align:middle line:90% a worthy experience to have. 00:49:22.790 --> 00:49:27.220 align:middle line:90% 00:49:27.220 --> 00:49:35.250 align:middle line:84% Yeah, I guess my sort of advice would be, zines can literally 00:49:35.250 --> 00:49:39.740 align:middle line:90% be about any topic. 00:49:39.740 --> 00:49:42.080 align:middle line:84% There probably might be a zine about a topic 00:49:42.080 --> 00:49:45.540 align:middle line:84% you want to do already, but it's not your perspective. 00:49:45.540 --> 00:49:47.990 align:middle line:90% So do it. 00:49:47.990 --> 00:49:51.380 align:middle line:90% 00:49:51.380 --> 00:49:54.830 align:middle line:84% There's so many different ways to also create a zine. 00:49:54.830 --> 00:49:59.240 align:middle line:84% You could go the cut and paste route. 00:49:59.240 --> 00:50:05.960 align:middle line:84% You could do digital layouts if you have tools like that. 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.393 align:middle line:84% If you're like Matt said, you have your sketchbooks, 00:50:10.393 --> 00:50:11.810 align:middle line:84% and you're going to pull stuff out 00:50:11.810 --> 00:50:15.950 align:middle line:84% of there, if you're pulling stuff out of your journals. 00:50:15.950 --> 00:50:18.020 align:middle line:84% There's so many different ways to do it. 00:50:18.020 --> 00:50:20.730 align:middle line:90% 00:50:20.730 --> 00:50:23.130 align:middle line:84% There could be ways that we haven't even thought of 00:50:23.130 --> 00:50:23.820 align:middle line:90% and you did. 00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:27.400 align:middle line:84% And that's why this is so important. 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:31.400 align:middle line:90% That's why this is like-- 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:32.510 align:middle line:90% it's sacred. 00:50:32.510 --> 00:50:37.820 align:middle line:84% This is our way to connect on our own terms 00:50:37.820 --> 00:50:45.338 align:middle line:84% and to learn from each other and to just connect. 00:50:45.338 --> 00:50:46.630 align:middle line:90% And that's what it's all about. 00:50:46.630 --> 00:50:48.615 align:middle line:84% So that's-- yeah, that's my advice. 00:50:48.615 --> 00:50:51.600 align:middle line:90% 00:50:51.600 --> 00:50:55.450 align:middle line:84% One more thing I wanted to add because I have the zine making 00:50:55.450 --> 00:50:58.980 align:middle line:84% advice, but I wanted to add for just going to experience Zine 00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:04.350 align:middle line:84% Fest in itself, to experience different parts of the Zine 00:51:04.350 --> 00:51:07.560 align:middle line:84% Fest, making zines, and like Rhea said, Rhea's experience is 00:51:07.560 --> 00:51:12.030 align:middle line:84% heavy on the organizing side because I've gotten to do I 00:51:12.030 --> 00:51:15.510 align:middle line:84% feel like almost every job at the fest. 00:51:15.510 --> 00:51:19.230 align:middle line:84% And it's let me know what things are my strong points. 00:51:19.230 --> 00:51:21.540 align:middle line:84% Even as much as I love the LA Zine Fest, 00:51:21.540 --> 00:51:23.040 align:middle line:90% I'm not a strong organizer. 00:51:23.040 --> 00:51:24.360 align:middle line:90% That's not my shit. 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.140 align:middle line:90% You know? 00:51:25.140 --> 00:51:28.200 align:middle line:84% I love doing the application reviews 00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:30.130 align:middle line:90% on that level of organizing it. 00:51:30.130 --> 00:51:32.365 align:middle line:84% But logistics about where it's going to be 00:51:32.365 --> 00:51:33.990 align:middle line:84% and all that stuff, that's not my shit. 00:51:33.990 --> 00:51:36.032 align:middle line:84% I don't get excited about that part of Zine Fest. 00:51:36.032 --> 00:51:40.690 align:middle line:84% So I would focus on the part that gets you all tingly. 00:51:40.690 --> 00:51:41.190 align:middle line:90% Awesome. 00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:42.540 align:middle line:90% Thank you for that, Sondria. 00:51:42.540 --> 00:51:43.450 align:middle line:90% And thank you all. 00:51:43.450 --> 00:51:46.650 align:middle line:84% And Jen, I loved how you described it as sacred work 00:51:46.650 --> 00:51:49.020 align:middle line:90% because it really is. 00:51:49.020 --> 00:51:52.320 align:middle line:84% You can put out a zine on a perspective 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.740 align:middle line:84% that may resonate with others and may inspire others, 00:51:55.740 --> 00:52:00.300 align:middle line:84% or that's how you connect and you create community. 00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:02.370 align:middle line:84% And going off of what Sondria said, 00:52:02.370 --> 00:52:08.070 align:middle line:84% definitely go and participate and see a zine fest. 00:52:08.070 --> 00:52:12.880 align:middle line:90% 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.730 align:middle line:84% OK, so I'm going to go ahead and read one of the questions. 00:52:16.730 --> 00:52:18.340 align:middle line:90% Let me quickly go up to it. 00:52:18.340 --> 00:52:21.700 align:middle line:90% 00:52:21.700 --> 00:52:25.350 align:middle line:84% OK, so there's a question for Sondria from Jen. 00:52:25.350 --> 00:52:29.400 align:middle line:84% Sondria, can you talk about your Afrofuturistic short story 00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.285 align:middle line:90% and art series? 00:52:30.285 --> 00:52:34.410 align:middle line:90% 00:52:34.410 --> 00:52:39.660 align:middle line:90% OK, so Afrofuturism, yes. 00:52:39.660 --> 00:52:44.250 align:middle line:84% My first Afrofuturistic story and my first sci-fi story 00:52:44.250 --> 00:52:47.040 align:middle line:84% was "Fight in Heels," which was a fan fiction 00:52:47.040 --> 00:52:52.200 align:middle line:84% story based on my #SNATCHPOWER collective members. 00:52:52.200 --> 00:52:56.100 align:middle line:84% And that became what is now my writing style, which 00:52:56.100 --> 00:52:58.900 align:middle line:84% will probably be my writing style forever, 00:52:58.900 --> 00:53:02.430 align:middle line:84% which is a mixture of sci-fi and erotica. 00:53:02.430 --> 00:53:08.370 align:middle line:84% And I think that Jen is talking about The Carverians, which 00:53:08.370 --> 00:53:11.370 align:middle line:90% The Carverians is a series. 00:53:11.370 --> 00:53:14.640 align:middle line:84% It has three parts, two collections of short stories, 00:53:14.640 --> 00:53:17.040 align:middle line:84% and the final one, Carverians 2, that comes out 00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:18.450 align:middle line:90% this summer is a novel. 00:53:18.450 --> 00:53:24.870 align:middle line:84% And it's a sci-fi and erotic collection loosely based 00:53:24.870 --> 00:53:27.150 align:middle line:84% on the teachings of George Washington Carver. 00:53:27.150 --> 00:53:32.670 align:middle line:84% So there's studies about George Washington Carver. 00:53:32.670 --> 00:53:35.070 align:middle line:84% He's not just-- it's not just peanuts with this guy. 00:53:35.070 --> 00:53:38.880 align:middle line:84% He has over 600 botanical inventions, 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.470 align:middle line:84% and he created this rare color of purple. 00:53:41.470 --> 00:53:45.120 align:middle line:84% And so I started this series based on these people that 00:53:45.120 --> 00:53:46.890 align:middle line:90% follow the teachings of Carver. 00:53:46.890 --> 00:53:48.690 align:middle line:84% That's why they're called The Carverians. 00:53:48.690 --> 00:53:50.070 align:middle line:90% They talk to plants. 00:53:50.070 --> 00:53:51.745 align:middle line:90% They procreate with plants. 00:53:51.745 --> 00:53:52.620 align:middle line:90% It's the whole thing. 00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:54.870 align:middle line:90% It's a whole Carveraverse. 00:53:54.870 --> 00:53:58.440 align:middle line:84% But yes, the Afrofuturism in my-- 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.350 align:middle line:84% that's my main art thing, is bringing 00:54:01.350 --> 00:54:03.240 align:middle line:90% Blackness to everything. 00:54:03.240 --> 00:54:07.110 align:middle line:84% Even though I love standard American English-- 00:54:07.110 --> 00:54:08.940 align:middle line:90% that's my shit-- 00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:11.880 align:middle line:84% I'm heavy on colloquialisms and making sure 00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:14.790 align:middle line:84% that the boom bap is included in the dialogue of everything 00:54:14.790 --> 00:54:18.000 align:middle line:84% that I write and emphasizing the intellect that's 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.840 align:middle line:84% found in our communities over institutional intellect, 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:28.300 align:middle line:84% especially where those things conflict, and one of them 00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:29.893 align:middle line:84% fed you, and the other one is just 00:54:29.893 --> 00:54:31.060 align:middle line:90% telling you that it's right. 00:54:31.060 --> 00:54:34.570 align:middle line:84% So yeah, that's kind of what my fiction ends up 00:54:34.570 --> 00:54:37.150 align:middle line:90% being based around. 00:54:37.150 --> 00:54:41.770 align:middle line:84% I don't think I can go into how I do that right now, 00:54:41.770 --> 00:54:44.740 align:middle line:90% but yeah, I always think-- 00:54:44.740 --> 00:54:48.640 align:middle line:90% for me, future, we don't-- 00:54:48.640 --> 00:54:51.430 align:middle line:84% in my culture, we don't think linearly anyway. 00:54:51.430 --> 00:54:52.360 align:middle line:90% It's a circle. 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:56.080 align:middle line:84% So the future is the past, and the past is the present. 00:54:56.080 --> 00:54:58.780 align:middle line:84% Any unfinished business gets done the next time 00:54:58.780 --> 00:54:59.866 align:middle line:90% around type vibe. 00:54:59.866 --> 00:55:04.720 align:middle line:84% So it is the future, like Jen said, 00:55:04.720 --> 00:55:10.840 align:middle line:84% but it's also a imagination of George Washington Carver. 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.460 align:middle line:84% So it's kind of like a past thing too. 00:55:12.460 --> 00:55:15.370 align:middle line:90% So yeah, man, that. 00:55:15.370 --> 00:55:16.330 align:middle line:90% I love that shit. 00:55:16.330 --> 00:55:17.650 align:middle line:90% We can talk about that all day. 00:55:17.650 --> 00:55:20.880 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:21.420 align:middle line:90% Nice. 00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:23.010 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much, Sondria. 00:55:23.010 --> 00:55:25.050 align:middle line:90% And we do have another question. 00:55:25.050 --> 00:55:27.390 align:middle line:90% I'm just going in the order. 00:55:27.390 --> 00:55:29.760 align:middle line:84% Rebecca asked, do any of you have 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:32.760 align:middle line:84% thoughts regarding analog versus digital for you 00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:34.230 align:middle line:90% and your own zine practice? 00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:36.950 align:middle line:90% 00:55:36.950 --> 00:55:41.180 align:middle line:84% And any one of you can just chime in. 00:55:41.180 --> 00:55:43.430 align:middle line:84% I'm going to pop in real quick just because I struggle 00:55:43.430 --> 00:55:47.030 align:middle line:84% with this one in my own art making constantly 00:55:47.030 --> 00:55:49.520 align:middle line:84% because everything is so digitalized, 00:55:49.520 --> 00:55:53.127 align:middle line:84% and it kind of has to be, to a certain extent. 00:55:53.127 --> 00:55:55.460 align:middle line:84% When you're working with people from around the country, 00:55:55.460 --> 00:55:59.480 align:middle line:84% it's a lot harder to send original artwork. 00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.490 align:middle line:90% Sometimes people don't want to. 00:56:01.490 --> 00:56:04.410 align:middle line:84% Some-- they'd rather send you a scan or do something like that. 00:56:04.410 --> 00:56:05.910 align:middle line:84% So when you're collabing with people 00:56:05.910 --> 00:56:10.190 align:middle line:84% or you're doing an anthology, a lot of it's based digitally. 00:56:10.190 --> 00:56:13.520 align:middle line:84% In my own personal work, I hate digital. 00:56:13.520 --> 00:56:17.180 align:middle line:84% Like, I would rather just put pen to paper, 00:56:17.180 --> 00:56:19.370 align:middle line:90% put a paint brush on a canvas. 00:56:19.370 --> 00:56:22.460 align:middle line:84% Whatever it is, it's a physical act to me 00:56:22.460 --> 00:56:26.990 align:middle line:84% that is so much more rewarding than doing something 00:56:26.990 --> 00:56:29.750 align:middle line:90% in Photoshop or Illustrator. 00:56:29.750 --> 00:56:33.800 align:middle line:84% Even though I utilize those tools and I have to, I just-- 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:36.770 align:middle line:84% for me, I would always go physical over digital 00:56:36.770 --> 00:56:40.400 align:middle line:90% if I had the chance to do so. 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:44.180 align:middle line:84% But it's almost a necessity that you can't just 00:56:44.180 --> 00:56:48.000 align:middle line:90% do something one way. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.660 align:middle line:84% I've been thinking about this for next week at the fest 00:56:51.660 --> 00:56:58.000 align:middle line:84% because the zines that Uhuru and I make together 00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:03.040 align:middle line:84% that I think Ace was barking during me talking about them, 00:57:03.040 --> 00:57:07.840 align:middle line:84% but there are two zines that we've made together so far. 00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:11.800 align:middle line:84% And I've been trying to decide whether-- 00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:21.670 align:middle line:84% like, I can go to Kinko's, get the print that looks-- 00:57:21.670 --> 00:57:24.130 align:middle line:84% and I don't say Kinko's because that's my preferred place 00:57:24.130 --> 00:57:25.480 align:middle line:90% to make a copy. 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:29.110 align:middle line:84% But it's like, sometimes that's just where you have to go, 00:57:29.110 --> 00:57:34.210 align:middle line:84% and you can't scam them anymore, which is kind of-- it's a pain. 00:57:34.210 --> 00:57:35.320 align:middle line:90% It's such a pain. 00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:37.990 align:middle line:84% But yeah, just making that decision 00:57:37.990 --> 00:57:42.640 align:middle line:84% of whether you can upfront the cost of making 00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:47.950 align:middle line:84% a particular number of copies of the zines that you make. 00:57:47.950 --> 00:57:51.610 align:middle line:84% And the zines that we made together are in color, 00:57:51.610 --> 00:57:53.440 align:middle line:84% and I really like that they're in color. 00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:57.770 align:middle line:84% But if I bring them to the fest, I'm going to have to-- 00:57:57.770 --> 00:58:01.520 align:middle line:84% each zine would maybe cost me like $10 to print. 00:58:01.520 --> 00:58:03.470 align:middle line:90% And is that worth it? 00:58:03.470 --> 00:58:06.320 align:middle line:84% Because then what would I have to charge someone? 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.470 align:middle line:84% When really all I want is them to just get this information. 00:58:09.470 --> 00:58:14.520 align:middle line:84% So yeah, I might try out, for example, 00:58:14.520 --> 00:58:17.360 align:middle line:84% making some black and white copies 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:19.820 align:middle line:84% and having a little QR code for folks 00:58:19.820 --> 00:58:22.190 align:middle line:84% to scan it and get a digital version. 00:58:22.190 --> 00:58:24.890 align:middle line:90% 00:58:24.890 --> 00:58:25.850 align:middle line:90% So yeah, I have been-- 00:58:25.850 --> 00:58:28.560 align:middle line:84% I've been going back and forth about that. 00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:31.590 align:middle line:84% Because you have to upfront the costs when you're going 00:58:31.590 --> 00:58:37.190 align:middle line:90% to table at a fist, so yeah. 00:58:37.190 --> 00:58:39.440 align:middle line:90% I can go next. 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:40.490 align:middle line:90% And yes, Rhea, facts. 00:58:40.490 --> 00:58:42.500 align:middle line:84% I'd already know about the SNATCH zines, 00:58:42.500 --> 00:58:45.910 align:middle line:90% and yes, they be $20 zines. 00:58:45.910 --> 00:58:50.420 align:middle line:84% [LAUGHS] Like, we have to charge $20 to cover the printing 00:58:50.420 --> 00:58:53.030 align:middle line:90% costs, so I already know. 00:58:53.030 --> 00:58:57.220 align:middle line:84% But yeah, for me, the beginning-- the whole beginning 00:58:57.220 --> 00:59:00.370 align:middle line:84% of my writing career, I would not 00:59:00.370 --> 00:59:03.670 align:middle line:84% provide digital or audio versions of my books. 00:59:03.670 --> 00:59:08.530 align:middle line:84% So my first three collections, everything before Carverians 2, 00:59:08.530 --> 00:59:10.870 align:middle line:84% which is the last-- the fourth book that I wrote 00:59:10.870 --> 00:59:12.460 align:middle line:84% and the last thing that came out, 00:59:12.460 --> 00:59:16.120 align:middle line:84% nothing had audiobooks and stuff like that 00:59:16.120 --> 00:59:17.800 align:middle line:84% until after that one was coming out. 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:21.130 align:middle line:84% Because I was just so violently opposed to it. 00:59:21.130 --> 00:59:24.250 align:middle line:84% I'm like, well, if I wanted you to-- if I 00:59:24.250 --> 00:59:26.320 align:middle line:84% wanted it to be audible, I would have made music. 00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.910 align:middle line:84% Or if I wanted you to-- type vibe. 00:59:28.910 --> 00:59:33.220 align:middle line:84% And I think that now, I'm not so precious with that thing. 00:59:33.220 --> 00:59:38.040 align:middle line:90% I'm more like, the paper exists. 00:59:38.040 --> 00:59:42.060 align:middle line:84% Me making-- me releasing Carverians 2 on Kindle 00:59:42.060 --> 00:59:45.150 align:middle line:84% or making the audiobook version doesn't change that. 00:59:45.150 --> 00:59:48.390 align:middle line:84% And it also gives me an opportunity to present it, 00:59:48.390 --> 00:59:50.260 align:middle line:84% to present the material in a different way. 00:59:50.260 --> 00:59:52.710 align:middle line:84% Like on the audiobook, I get to do voices, 00:59:52.710 --> 00:59:55.798 align:middle line:84% and I get to do adlibs and stuff like that that I 00:59:55.798 --> 00:59:57.090 align:middle line:90% don't get to bring to the book. 00:59:57.090 --> 01:00:01.750 align:middle line:84% So I just started kind of having reverence 01:00:01.750 --> 01:00:04.420 align:middle line:84% for presenting the printed work in another way 01:00:04.420 --> 01:00:06.100 align:middle line:84% that I didn't have respect for before. 01:00:06.100 --> 01:00:08.020 align:middle line:84% But yeah, I'm definitely pro paper, 01:00:08.020 --> 01:00:10.990 align:middle line:84% especially because everything-- everything 01:00:10.990 --> 01:00:12.010 align:middle line:90% wants to not be paper. 01:00:12.010 --> 01:00:12.730 align:middle line:90% Books too? 01:00:12.730 --> 01:00:13.570 align:middle line:90% That's ridiculous. 01:00:13.570 --> 01:00:15.040 align:middle line:84% It's fucking ridiculous, you know? 01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:15.970 align:middle line:90% Like in my mind. 01:00:15.970 --> 01:00:19.150 align:middle line:84% Like I'm like, at the very least, let books stay paper. 01:00:19.150 --> 01:00:20.620 align:middle line:90% Let everything else go digital. 01:00:20.620 --> 01:00:24.550 align:middle line:90% But yeah, that's my thing. 01:00:24.550 --> 01:00:25.750 align:middle line:90% All right. 01:00:25.750 --> 01:00:31.540 align:middle line:84% I wanted to pop in with, when we opened the Q&A for everybody 01:00:31.540 --> 01:00:33.790 align:middle line:84% viewing, we got a couple not questions 01:00:33.790 --> 01:00:36.700 align:middle line:84% but comments that I just wanted to read to our panelists. 01:00:36.700 --> 01:00:39.970 align:middle line:84% So Ashlyn, they said, "No questions, but just want 01:00:39.970 --> 01:00:43.120 align:middle line:84% to thank all of the speakers for your insight." 01:00:43.120 --> 01:00:47.110 align:middle line:84% And Rosario said, "Loved hearing from everybody." 01:00:47.110 --> 01:00:51.140 align:middle line:84% But we do have a couple more questions. 01:00:51.140 --> 01:00:57.600 align:middle line:84% I'll let Sandra read mine, but I have another one from Rebecca, 01:00:57.600 --> 01:00:58.560 align:middle line:90% and it's for Sandra. 01:00:58.560 --> 01:01:01.430 align:middle line:90% 01:01:01.430 --> 01:01:05.990 align:middle line:84% You had mentioned Wolverine and zines. 01:01:05.990 --> 01:01:10.630 align:middle line:84% And is that a practice that you two do together? 01:01:10.630 --> 01:01:13.450 align:middle line:90% Wolverine is our baby. 01:01:13.450 --> 01:01:16.330 align:middle line:84% Wolverine was in the womb at Zine Fest. 01:01:16.330 --> 01:01:18.520 align:middle line:84% Wolverine within the stroller at Zine Fest. 01:01:18.520 --> 01:01:20.860 align:middle line:90% And yeah, when I started-- 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:22.480 align:middle line:84% as soon as I got pregnant, I actually 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.420 align:middle line:84% started working on this project, which I think that next week is 01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:28.000 align:middle line:84% going to be the first time I get to present it anywhere, 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:31.060 align:middle line:84% called Oh Shit, I'm Mom, which is 01:01:31.060 --> 01:01:35.080 align:middle line:84% like a collection of just kind of my maternal experience 01:01:35.080 --> 01:01:37.297 align:middle line:90% when I was becoming a mom. 01:01:37.297 --> 01:01:39.130 align:middle line:84% And I'm like, who's going to even be write-- 01:01:39.130 --> 01:01:40.000 align:middle line:90% like I'm not going to-- 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.290 align:middle line:84% people-- it was so funny because people were like, 01:01:41.290 --> 01:01:43.623 align:middle line:84% you're not going to be able to keep up with these notes. 01:01:43.623 --> 01:01:46.090 align:middle line:84% [GRUMBLING] And it was just like, no. 01:01:46.090 --> 01:01:47.080 align:middle line:90% I totally kept up. 01:01:47.080 --> 01:01:50.860 align:middle line:84% Like, I got seven years' worth of fucking shit to share. 01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:53.770 align:middle line:84% And for Wolverine's zines, it's dope 01:01:53.770 --> 01:01:56.830 align:middle line:84% because he didn't pick up on reading and writing 01:01:56.830 --> 01:01:59.290 align:middle line:84% as fast as I thought he would or as fast as I did as a kid. 01:01:59.290 --> 01:02:01.510 align:middle line:84% He's more into drawing and puzzles. 01:02:01.510 --> 01:02:06.100 align:middle line:84% So his zines are dope because they're picture stories. 01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:08.200 align:middle line:90% And then now he's adding words. 01:02:08.200 --> 01:02:10.220 align:middle line:90% So I like that a lot. 01:02:10.220 --> 01:02:13.630 align:middle line:84% And then the thing that I call the Wolverine Zine is the Oh 01:02:13.630 --> 01:02:16.360 align:middle line:84% Shit, I'm Mom zine because that's the Wolverine Zine 01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.300 align:middle line:90% kind of dedication vibe. 01:02:19.300 --> 01:02:20.500 align:middle line:90% I think that I've actually-- 01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:24.340 align:middle line:84% I think the first ##SNATCHPOWER zine actually in 2016 has 01:02:24.340 --> 01:02:28.095 align:middle line:84% a couple of excerpts from Oh Shit, I'm Mom, actually. 01:02:28.095 --> 01:02:29.470 align:middle line:84% So that-- but this is going to be 01:02:29.470 --> 01:02:32.390 align:middle line:84% the first time I get to present it as a completed collection. 01:02:32.390 --> 01:02:35.050 align:middle line:84% So yeah, Wolverine learns everything from me. 01:02:35.050 --> 01:02:37.510 align:middle line:84% Wolverine is homeschooled, so Wolverine 01:02:37.510 --> 01:02:39.180 align:middle line:90% goes to the hip hop shows. 01:02:39.180 --> 01:02:40.240 align:middle line:90% Wolverine's out here. 01:02:40.240 --> 01:02:42.870 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 01:02:42.870 --> 01:02:44.750 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to ask the question Adam 01:02:44.750 --> 01:02:48.140 align:middle line:84% had for any or all of the panelists. 01:02:48.140 --> 01:02:50.630 align:middle line:84% Can you talk about your zine name slash 01:02:50.630 --> 01:02:52.730 align:middle line:84% a favorite title of a zine you've made? 01:02:52.730 --> 01:02:56.480 align:middle line:90% What's the story behind it? 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.720 align:middle line:84% I do an ongoing series of sketchbook zines 01:02:59.720 --> 01:03:01.190 align:middle line:90% called Sick in Bed. 01:03:01.190 --> 01:03:03.350 align:middle line:90% And that was just from-- 01:03:03.350 --> 01:03:05.060 align:middle line:90% it started just like that. 01:03:05.060 --> 01:03:05.840 align:middle line:90% I was sick. 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:10.340 align:middle line:84% I had got like a weird flu years ago and laid out 01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:11.840 align:middle line:84% for the first time in my adult life. 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.100 align:middle line:84% This is pre-COVID where you're like, 01:03:14.100 --> 01:03:15.620 align:middle line:90% what the hell is happening? 01:03:15.620 --> 01:03:17.390 align:middle line:84% I haven't been sick since I was a kid. 01:03:17.390 --> 01:03:19.130 align:middle line:90% And all I did was just-- 01:03:19.130 --> 01:03:21.470 align:middle line:84% all I could do was sit around and draw. 01:03:21.470 --> 01:03:24.680 align:middle line:84% And the first little zine I put together in that series 01:03:24.680 --> 01:03:27.770 align:middle line:84% came from that week of being sick in bed. 01:03:27.770 --> 01:03:31.730 align:middle line:84% So I've got eight out right now, and I'm 01:03:31.730 --> 01:03:35.240 align:middle line:84% planning on putting a ninth one together for Zine Fest 01:03:35.240 --> 01:03:36.830 align:middle line:90% next week. 01:03:36.830 --> 01:03:42.250 align:middle line:84% So that's an ongoing series, probably the most consistent 01:03:42.250 --> 01:03:42.750 align:middle line:90% one. 01:03:42.750 --> 01:03:45.440 align:middle line:84% And then stuff I've done in the past 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.840 align:middle line:84% is called Milk and Cookies just because I 01:03:47.840 --> 01:03:49.190 align:middle line:90% thought it was a fun name. 01:03:49.190 --> 01:03:51.907 align:middle line:84% And-- [LAUGHS] now I have the Rat Nest zine. 01:03:51.907 --> 01:03:54.115 align:middle line:84% We did the first issue of that one with this business 01:03:54.115 --> 01:03:55.880 align:middle line:90% that I'm running now. 01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.210 align:middle line:84% But I think Sick in Bed is probably my favorite. 01:03:59.210 --> 01:04:02.440 align:middle line:84% That's my little baby, is my sketchbook zine. 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:03.160 align:middle line:90% Oh, yeah. 01:04:03.160 --> 01:04:04.060 align:middle line:90% Real quick. 01:04:04.060 --> 01:04:05.170 align:middle line:90% Unthinkable Act. 01:04:05.170 --> 01:04:07.315 align:middle line:84% Unthinkable Act, that's my favorite zine 01:04:07.315 --> 01:04:09.700 align:middle line:84% name just because it was my first sci-fi. 01:04:09.700 --> 01:04:12.520 align:middle line:84% And so a lot of the stuff I wrote about was kind of like, 01:04:12.520 --> 01:04:14.480 align:middle line:90% you can't do that on television. 01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:15.910 align:middle line:90% So that's my favorite one. 01:04:15.910 --> 01:04:18.450 align:middle line:90% 01:04:18.450 --> 01:04:20.250 align:middle line:90% Hairy Femme Mother. 01:04:20.250 --> 01:04:26.530 align:middle line:84% It's basically a basic play on fairy godmother, 01:04:26.530 --> 01:04:33.150 align:middle line:84% but the reason why it's important to me 01:04:33.150 --> 01:04:39.590 align:middle line:84% is because there is a certain brilliance 01:04:39.590 --> 01:04:49.500 align:middle line:84% and gift of knowledge from queer femmes 01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:53.610 align:middle line:84% that not everybody has access to. 01:04:53.610 --> 01:04:57.385 align:middle line:90% And it's kind of like-- 01:04:57.385 --> 01:04:59.995 align:middle line:90% 01:04:59.995 --> 01:05:05.296 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] queer femmes can like-- 01:05:05.296 --> 01:05:09.150 align:middle line:84% I don't even know how to explain the magic and the power 01:05:09.150 --> 01:05:12.300 align:middle line:90% behind it. 01:05:12.300 --> 01:05:13.950 align:middle line:84% Almost like you don't necessarily 01:05:13.950 --> 01:05:18.145 align:middle line:84% know how to explain the magic behind a fairy godmother, 01:05:18.145 --> 01:05:18.645 align:middle line:90% right? 01:05:18.645 --> 01:05:21.280 align:middle line:90% 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.440 align:middle line:90% But it's real. 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:28.270 align:middle line:90% And so yeah, so that's why-- 01:05:28.270 --> 01:05:31.470 align:middle line:84% that's where that name came from. 01:05:31.470 --> 01:05:33.870 align:middle line:90% Rebecca has another question. 01:05:33.870 --> 01:05:36.600 align:middle line:84% And this is if you could recommend 01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:40.020 align:middle line:84% a zine maker or a specific zine that you 01:05:40.020 --> 01:05:42.840 align:middle line:84% would recommend for us all to check out, 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:45.590 align:middle line:90% or that you're excited about. 01:05:45.590 --> 01:05:48.470 align:middle line:84% Lawrence Lindell, that is an artist 01:05:48.470 --> 01:05:51.320 align:middle line:90% that I met through La Zine Fest. 01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:55.070 align:middle line:90% And Lawrence does a lot of-- 01:05:55.070 --> 01:05:57.500 align:middle line:84% it's comic book style zines, and there 01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:01.220 align:middle line:84% are a lot of mental health-based stuff, 01:06:01.220 --> 01:06:05.360 align:middle line:84% a lot of masculine mental health stuff, a lot of Black people 01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:06.540 align:middle line:90% mental health stuff. 01:06:06.540 --> 01:06:07.955 align:middle line:90% And so I would highly recommend. 01:06:07.955 --> 01:06:10.080 align:middle line:84% I don't know if Lawrence is still making new zines, 01:06:10.080 --> 01:06:12.590 align:middle line:84% but if you can get your hands on Lawrence Lindell-- 01:06:12.590 --> 01:06:20.120 align:middle line:84% I-N-D-E-L-L, I believe-- zines, definitely there's a lot 01:06:20.120 --> 01:06:24.080 align:middle line:84% of good dope mental health things in those zines that can 01:06:24.080 --> 01:06:27.140 align:middle line:84% kind of start conversations in communities where mental health 01:06:27.140 --> 01:06:29.540 align:middle line:84% may not be a priority or may be difficult to talk about. 01:06:29.540 --> 01:06:32.690 align:middle line:90% 01:06:32.690 --> 01:06:33.600 align:middle line:90% I'll go real quick. 01:06:33.600 --> 01:06:35.600 align:middle line:84% Like I said in the beginning, Slingshot is still 01:06:35.600 --> 01:06:36.650 align:middle line:90% around out of Berkeley. 01:06:36.650 --> 01:06:39.560 align:middle line:84% They do really cool activism stuff. 01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:44.420 align:middle line:84% A lot of just reader-submitted content. 01:06:44.420 --> 01:06:47.270 align:middle line:84% And like I said, it's $4 for a year. 01:06:47.270 --> 01:06:50.420 align:middle line:90% You get one every three months. 01:06:50.420 --> 01:06:52.910 align:middle line:84% And then I work with a lot of comic artists 01:06:52.910 --> 01:06:54.410 align:middle line:90% and like art zines. 01:06:54.410 --> 01:06:56.300 align:middle line:84% If you're into comic art and art zines, 01:06:56.300 --> 01:06:59.030 align:middle line:84% check out Charles Glaubitz, Jonathan McBurnie, Christopher 01:06:59.030 --> 01:07:01.400 align:middle line:90% Sperandio, Brian McCray. 01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.880 align:middle line:84% All those guys make really, really cool, fun bootleg zines 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:08.630 align:middle line:84% and some political stuff, some sci-fi, 01:07:08.630 --> 01:07:12.470 align:middle line:84% some psychedelic, but really, really great artists, 01:07:12.470 --> 01:07:15.230 align:middle line:90% really great artwork. 01:07:15.230 --> 01:07:18.950 align:middle line:84% I'm going to recommend the zine that 01:07:18.950 --> 01:07:26.120 align:middle line:84% was mentioned in my bio, which is Learning Good Consent, 01:07:26.120 --> 01:07:30.320 align:middle line:90% and it's edited by Cindy Crabb. 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:38.180 align:middle line:84% At this point, it's kind of all been compiled into a book form. 01:07:38.180 --> 01:07:42.920 align:middle line:84% And if you do check it-- it's in a lot of libraries, 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:47.540 align:middle line:90% and AK Press sells it. 01:07:47.540 --> 01:07:57.030 align:middle line:84% And it is-- the focus of it is preventing sexual violence 01:07:57.030 --> 01:07:59.790 align:middle line:84% and consent within sexual relationships. 01:07:59.790 --> 01:08:04.290 align:middle line:84% But I have found that it has been extremely beneficial 01:08:04.290 --> 01:08:08.520 align:middle line:84% for just the expansive understanding of consent 01:08:08.520 --> 01:08:11.875 align:middle line:90% in all relationships. 01:08:11.875 --> 01:08:13.500 align:middle line:84% And it's one-- yeah, it's one that I've 01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:18.550 align:middle line:84% given to a lot of people and that I constantly buy copies 01:08:18.550 --> 01:08:20.649 align:middle line:90% of again just to hand them out. 01:08:20.649 --> 01:08:23.910 align:middle line:90% So I would recommend that. 01:08:23.910 --> 01:08:29.970 align:middle line:84% I would recommend zines that folks from the Los Angeles 01:08:29.970 --> 01:08:33.189 align:middle line:90% Spoonie Collective put out. 01:08:33.189 --> 01:08:38.660 align:middle line:84% And I think some of them are going to be at the Zine Fest, 01:08:38.660 --> 01:08:43.990 align:middle line:84% including Laurent Corralez, Corralez' zines. 01:08:43.990 --> 01:08:49.210 align:middle line:84% I would also say Tasha Fierce's zine is a cool one to pick up. 01:08:49.210 --> 01:08:58.279 align:middle line:84% Tasha does some transition work, whether it's death, 01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:04.720 align:middle line:84% whether it's just change, transitions in life. 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:08.800 align:middle line:84% And you can find them at Liberated Transitions 01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:10.090 align:middle line:90% is their-- 01:09:10.090 --> 01:09:18.700 align:middle line:84% yeah, is their business, project, organization work. 01:09:18.700 --> 01:09:20.130 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 01:09:20.130 --> 01:09:21.700 align:middle line:90% And yeah, thanks, Rebecca. 01:09:21.700 --> 01:09:23.680 align:middle line:84% Tasha's zine is called How to Breathe Fire. 01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:24.969 align:middle line:90% It's amazing. 01:09:24.969 --> 01:09:28.229 align:middle line:90% 01:09:28.229 --> 01:09:36.029 align:middle line:84% And I would also recommend Lilac Vylette Maldonado's zines. 01:09:36.029 --> 01:09:43.420 align:middle line:84% Lilac does a lot of work around disability activism, 01:09:43.420 --> 01:09:51.059 align:middle line:84% the Latina culture, some pretty cool work, some pretty cool 01:09:51.059 --> 01:09:51.559 align:middle line:90% art. 01:09:51.559 --> 01:09:55.290 align:middle line:90% 01:09:55.290 --> 01:09:57.180 align:middle line:84% Yeah, those are who I would recommend. 01:09:57.180 --> 01:10:02.160 align:middle line:90% 01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:04.510 align:middle line:84% I just want to say thank you all so much. 01:10:04.510 --> 01:10:07.920 align:middle line:84% I cannot wait to see your work in real life next week 01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:11.027 align:middle line:84% and actually get to feel the paper, right? 01:10:11.027 --> 01:10:12.360 align:middle line:90% We're talking about paper a lot. 01:10:12.360 --> 01:10:14.775 align:middle line:84% So excited to see your faces and your paper. 01:10:14.775 --> 01:10:18.330 align:middle line:90% 01:10:18.330 --> 01:10:20.460 align:middle line:84% And we do ask that before you head out, 01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:22.470 align:middle line:84% if you can complete a brief survey. 01:10:22.470 --> 01:10:24.420 align:middle line:84% And Rebecca promises that it's short. 01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:26.070 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHS] 01:10:26.070 --> 01:10:28.740 align:middle line:90% I swear. 01:10:28.740 --> 01:10:30.900 align:middle line:84% It helps us a lot to evaluate what we're doing 01:10:30.900 --> 01:10:32.530 align:middle line:90% and helps us in the future. 01:10:32.530 --> 01:10:35.610 align:middle line:84% So if you have a moment, we appreciate you. 01:10:35.610 --> 01:10:37.720 align:middle line:90% But thank you all so much. 01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:41.620 align:middle line:84% I hope to see many of you, a lot of you next week. 01:10:41.620 --> 01:10:44.340 align:middle line:84% And if not next week, then we'll catch you next time. 01:10:44.340 --> 01:10:47.580 align:middle line:84% We're-- zine happenings, it's something we're committed 01:10:47.580 --> 01:10:51.090 align:middle line:84% to at the college, a whole group of us, the library, the museum, 01:10:51.090 --> 01:10:52.960 align:middle line:90% equity. 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.530 align:middle line:84% And so look for more in the future. 01:10:55.530 --> 01:10:58.660 align:middle line:90% We'd love to see you there. 01:10:58.660 --> 01:10:59.160 align:middle line:90% Thanks, all. 01:10:59.160 --> 01:11:02.220 align:middle line:90% Have a great night. 01:11:02.220 --> 01:11:05.570 align:middle line:90% [AUDIO LOGO] 01:11:05.570 --> 01:11:17.000 align:middle line:90%