WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.840 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:00:10.840 --> 00:00:12.580 align:middle line:90% Hi, everyone and welcome. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:15.610 align:middle line:84% Thank you for joining us today's program, featuring Artist, 00:00:15.610 --> 00:00:18.040 align:middle line:84% and Educator, Jodie Cavalier, presented 00:00:18.040 --> 00:00:21.010 align:middle line:84% as part of the Wignall Museum's Home Edition. 00:00:21.010 --> 00:00:23.600 align:middle line:84% Home Edition is a series of curated artist talks, 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:25.360 align:middle line:84% workshops, and discussions featuring 00:00:25.360 --> 00:00:27.530 align:middle line:90% artists and cultural workers. 00:00:27.530 --> 00:00:28.720 align:middle line:90% My name is Rebecca Trawick. 00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:31.390 align:middle line:84% And I serve as the Director and Curator of the Wignall Museum 00:00:31.390 --> 00:00:32.965 align:middle line:90% at 性视界. 00:00:32.965 --> 00:00:36.310 align:middle line:84% The Wignall Museum is a teaching museum and interdisciplinary 00:00:36.310 --> 00:00:39.470 align:middle line:84% arts space that introduces 性视界 students, 00:00:39.470 --> 00:00:42.160 align:middle line:84% faculty, staff, and community members 00:00:42.160 --> 00:00:46.250 align:middle line:84% to innovative contemporary art objects and ideas. 00:00:46.250 --> 00:00:49.700 align:middle line:84% By fostering critical thinking, visual literacy, discourse, 00:00:49.700 --> 00:00:52.150 align:middle line:84% and empathy, the museum seeks to enhance 00:00:52.150 --> 00:00:56.360 align:middle line:84% the intellectual and cultural life of our community. 00:00:56.360 --> 00:00:58.990 align:middle line:84% We want to take a moment to recognize that we are situated 00:00:58.990 --> 00:01:02.500 align:middle line:84% on the Rancho Cucamonga campus of 性视界, which 00:01:02.500 --> 00:01:05.470 align:middle line:84% resides on the traditional and unceded lands of 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--> 00:02:07.310 align:middle line:84% Rebecca and Roman with today's session. 00:02:07.310 --> 00:02:09.830 align:middle line:84% In a moment, Jodie Cavalier will present for about a half 00:02:09.830 --> 00:02:11.690 align:middle line:84% an hour or so, with the remaining 00:02:11.690 --> 00:02:14.300 align:middle line:90% time being available for Q&A. 00:02:14.300 --> 00:02:15.560 align:middle line:90% Thanks Roman and Andy. 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.020 align:middle line:84% Today, I have the honor of introducing our guest artist, 00:02:18.020 --> 00:02:19.850 align:middle line:90% Jodie Cavalier. 00:02:19.850 --> 00:02:22.100 align:middle line:84% Jodie is a project based artist, working 00:02:22.100 --> 00:02:26.810 align:middle line:84% with residuals of daily life, objects, food, and language. 00:02:26.810 --> 00:02:28.910 align:middle line:84% Cavalier earned her BA from the University 00:02:28.910 --> 00:02:33.110 align:middle line:84% of California Berkeley, and MFA from Pacific Northwest College 00:02:33.110 --> 00:02:35.240 align:middle line:90% of Art Portland, Oregon. 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:38.510 align:middle line:84% Cavalier has participated in residencies including 00:02:38.510 --> 00:02:42.020 align:middle line:84% the Center for Land Use Interpretation, Wassaic, 00:02:42.020 --> 00:02:45.760 align:middle line:84% AZ West Wagon Encampment, and ONCA. 00:02:45.760 --> 00:02:48.680 align:middle line:84% Her work has been exhibited at museums across the Pacific 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:51.620 align:middle line:84% Northwest, and California, Chicago, 00:02:51.620 --> 00:02:53.950 align:middle line:90% New York, and Frankfurt. 00:02:53.950 --> 00:02:55.630 align:middle line:84% Jodie grew up in the Inland Empire, 00:02:55.630 --> 00:02:57.820 align:middle line:84% and is a graduate of 性视界. 00:02:57.820 --> 00:03:00.820 align:middle line:84% She participated in the Student Invitational honors course 00:03:00.820 --> 00:03:03.220 align:middle line:90% and exhibition in 2008. 00:03:03.220 --> 00:03:06.220 align:middle line:84% We're thrilled to have Jodie return to the college virtually 00:03:06.220 --> 00:03:08.530 align:middle line:84% to care about her studio practice. 00:03:08.530 --> 00:03:11.710 align:middle line:84% So please join me in giving Jodie a warm, virtual welcome 00:03:11.710 --> 00:03:12.910 align:middle line:90% to Home Edition. 00:03:12.910 --> 00:03:15.700 align:middle line:90% Welcome, Jodie, and thank you. 00:03:15.700 --> 00:03:17.900 align:middle line:90% Thank you so much. 00:03:17.900 --> 00:03:23.800 align:middle line:84% It's great to be back here at 性视界, 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.910 align:middle line:90% feels really full circle for me. 00:03:27.910 --> 00:03:32.650 align:middle line:84% I really thought a lot about the type of work 00:03:32.650 --> 00:03:38.170 align:middle line:84% I wanted to share when Rebecca asked me to do this. 00:03:38.170 --> 00:03:41.800 align:middle line:84% And I make a lot of different types of things, 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:45.310 align:middle line:84% and had been working on a lot of different types of projects. 00:03:45.310 --> 00:03:50.950 align:middle line:84% But I really kept coming back to thinking about language 00:03:50.950 --> 00:03:54.040 align:middle line:84% as a type of material, and thinking about some 00:03:54.040 --> 00:03:58.360 align:middle line:84% of the projects that I had really been focusing on, 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.340 align:middle line:90% and still working on. 00:04:00.340 --> 00:04:05.500 align:middle line:84% And thinking about this last year, 00:04:05.500 --> 00:04:09.580 align:middle line:84% and how it has shifted our lives, 00:04:09.580 --> 00:04:14.770 align:middle line:84% and how these moments are really fleeting, 00:04:14.770 --> 00:04:16.510 align:middle line:90% everything is kind of fleeting. 00:04:16.510 --> 00:04:22.150 align:middle line:84% And even before we let folks into this presentation room, 00:04:22.150 --> 00:04:24.550 align:middle line:84% we were talking about time, and how 00:04:24.550 --> 00:04:27.160 align:middle line:90% time is very much a construct. 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:34.600 align:middle line:84% And how we are following a different type of time now. 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:44.970 align:middle line:84% And so I'm really thinking about my artwork 00:04:44.970 --> 00:04:47.700 align:middle line:84% that I'm about to show you as being 00:04:47.700 --> 00:04:52.440 align:middle line:84% the kind of ephemeral kind of qualities at place, 00:04:52.440 --> 00:04:59.940 align:middle line:84% and then also the artwork itself is the intangible moments. 00:04:59.940 --> 00:05:03.090 align:middle line:84% And so there's going to be a lot of text. 00:05:03.090 --> 00:05:04.260 align:middle line:90% And I'll read some of that. 00:05:04.260 --> 00:05:09.360 align:middle line:84% And there's going to be some work that is a little bit 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.397 align:middle line:90% hard to categorize. 00:05:11.397 --> 00:05:13.230 align:middle line:84% I wanted to start out with this first image, 00:05:13.230 --> 00:05:18.900 align:middle line:84% because this is actually one of the works that reconnected 00:05:18.900 --> 00:05:24.540 align:middle line:84% Rebecca and I. This piece was supposed to be in a show right 00:05:24.540 --> 00:05:31.560 align:middle line:84% before the pandemic hit the US, and closure started to happen. 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:37.200 align:middle line:84% The exhibition kind of got postponed, and inevitably, 00:05:37.200 --> 00:05:37.830 align:middle line:90% canceled. 00:05:37.830 --> 00:05:38.878 align:middle line:90% Or we don't know. 00:05:38.878 --> 00:05:39.670 align:middle line:90% We don't know what. 00:05:39.670 --> 00:05:46.020 align:middle line:84% But this piece is a real turning point for me in my practice. 00:05:46.020 --> 00:05:52.350 align:middle line:84% It was one of the pieces that overtly addressed my interest 00:05:52.350 --> 00:05:59.070 align:middle line:84% in food, food justice, and my cultural heritage. 00:05:59.070 --> 00:06:05.070 align:middle line:84% And then also a more traditional kind of art practice. 00:06:05.070 --> 00:06:08.220 align:middle line:84% So I was able to create this work 00:06:08.220 --> 00:06:13.920 align:middle line:84% while I was in residency at a place in Portland called 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:18.600 align:middle line:84% the Working Library, where I was able to learn 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:19.990 align:middle line:90% letterpress printing. 00:06:19.990 --> 00:06:23.965 align:middle line:84% And so this is part of an addition of hand letter press 00:06:23.965 --> 00:06:24.465 align:middle line:90% prints. 00:06:24.465 --> 00:06:27.690 align:middle line:90% 00:06:27.690 --> 00:06:31.950 align:middle line:84% And the language itself came actually pretty naturally, 00:06:31.950 --> 00:06:33.510 align:middle line:90% and all at once. 00:06:33.510 --> 00:06:35.880 align:middle line:90% It was included in a small zine. 00:06:35.880 --> 00:06:39.810 align:middle line:84% And there was a point in which I realized 00:06:39.810 --> 00:06:49.017 align:middle line:84% it was a lot more powerful than I initially expected 00:06:49.017 --> 00:06:50.100 align:middle line:90% when I put it in the zine. 00:06:50.100 --> 00:06:52.020 align:middle line:84% And I wanted to kind of take that out 00:06:52.020 --> 00:06:54.010 align:middle line:90% and let it have its own life. 00:06:54.010 --> 00:07:01.180 align:middle line:84% And so I made this print, which is kind of stylized to be 00:07:01.180 --> 00:07:05.250 align:middle line:90% a kind of wanted poster format. 00:07:05.250 --> 00:07:10.830 align:middle line:84% But then through this repetition of language, 00:07:10.830 --> 00:07:17.370 align:middle line:84% and somewhat of humor, you start to really understand 00:07:17.370 --> 00:07:22.060 align:middle line:84% the complexities of what is being said, 00:07:22.060 --> 00:07:29.040 align:middle line:84% which is that it's more than just about food and eating. 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.440 align:middle line:90% It's about life. 00:07:31.440 --> 00:07:34.560 align:middle line:90% It's about healing. 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:40.120 align:middle line:84% It's about so many other things in our life. 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.140 align:middle line:84% And so after this piece, I was really 00:07:43.140 --> 00:07:46.290 align:middle line:84% leaning into using language a lot more, 00:07:46.290 --> 00:07:53.820 align:middle line:84% and using a kind of more direct poetic, I guess, in my work. 00:07:53.820 --> 00:07:58.170 align:middle line:84% I was always interested in a kind of poetic approach 00:07:58.170 --> 00:08:01.080 align:middle line:84% in my art making, but never really using 00:08:01.080 --> 00:08:03.790 align:middle line:90% language in this way. 00:08:03.790 --> 00:08:07.920 align:middle line:84% And so I really, like I said, leaned into that, 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:14.950 align:middle line:84% and started to make more of this type of work. 00:08:14.950 --> 00:08:24.180 align:middle line:84% So this is one of many pieces that are essentially menus. 00:08:24.180 --> 00:08:27.180 align:middle line:84% And so I collaborated with an artist 00:08:27.180 --> 00:08:31.980 align:middle line:84% here in Portland who is actually one of my graduate advisors. 00:08:31.980 --> 00:08:33.600 align:middle line:90% Her name is M.K. Guth. 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:39.419 align:middle line:84% And we worked on a series of menus. 00:08:39.419 --> 00:08:43.380 align:middle line:84% And so we wanted to take clues and cues 00:08:43.380 --> 00:08:47.670 align:middle line:84% from restaurant and dining experiences, 00:08:47.670 --> 00:08:51.030 align:middle line:90% and use those in the work. 00:08:51.030 --> 00:08:54.060 align:middle line:84% And that was kind of the starting point. 00:08:54.060 --> 00:08:57.570 align:middle line:84% And so we made a series of these menus. 00:08:57.570 --> 00:09:01.590 align:middle line:84% And this one in particular, is one 00:09:01.590 --> 00:09:04.800 align:middle line:90% of my favorites of the series. 00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:13.590 align:middle line:84% I was thinking about it being a kind of like Gothic style. 00:09:13.590 --> 00:09:16.350 align:middle line:90% 00:09:16.350 --> 00:09:18.810 align:middle line:84% Maybe something that you would see 00:09:18.810 --> 00:09:26.520 align:middle line:84% in a funeral home with a cross between like a fancy steak 00:09:26.520 --> 00:09:27.990 align:middle line:90% house or something. 00:09:27.990 --> 00:09:30.330 align:middle line:84% And so I was really like grabbing 00:09:30.330 --> 00:09:34.860 align:middle line:84% these different kinds of inspirations, 00:09:34.860 --> 00:09:38.460 align:middle line:90% and created this piece. 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:40.380 align:middle line:90% It's called preservation. 00:09:40.380 --> 00:09:46.230 align:middle line:84% And I was thinking about a kind of preservation 00:09:46.230 --> 00:09:51.150 align:middle line:84% of self through loss, and the kind of transformation 00:09:51.150 --> 00:09:52.620 align:middle line:90% that happens. 00:09:52.620 --> 00:09:55.230 align:middle line:84% But also, thinking about food more directly. 00:09:55.230 --> 00:10:01.660 align:middle line:84% And I was researching a lot of methods of preserving food. 00:10:01.660 --> 00:10:07.260 align:middle line:84% And so there's a transformation that definitely happens 00:10:07.260 --> 00:10:14.010 align:middle line:84% there too where the food almost can almost go rotten, and then 00:10:14.010 --> 00:10:16.470 align:middle line:84% turn and be preserved in this way. 00:10:16.470 --> 00:10:22.320 align:middle line:84% So the text itself on the right side that you see, 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:23.280 align:middle line:90% I'll read that. 00:10:23.280 --> 00:10:26.640 align:middle line:84% It's broken up into courses, again, 00:10:26.640 --> 00:10:28.840 align:middle line:90% to mimic that kind of menu. 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.650 align:middle line:84% So there's a first core, second course, third course, 00:10:31.650 --> 00:10:34.440 align:middle line:90% and then the sweet. 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:40.130 align:middle line:84% And it says I have nothing against life. 00:10:40.130 --> 00:10:44.870 align:middle line:84% I watch as time has bruised the flesh. 00:10:44.870 --> 00:10:51.050 align:middle line:84% Taste it go odd, never dead, but resurrected. 00:10:51.050 --> 00:10:56.760 align:middle line:84% Nothing is stronger than what rises up from the ashes. 00:10:56.760 --> 00:11:01.040 align:middle line:84% And so again, thinking about the different ways 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:06.530 align:middle line:84% that even just the term preservation can mean, and also 00:11:06.530 --> 00:11:08.120 align:middle line:90% subversing it. 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.610 align:middle line:84% Similarly with the first piece, like thinking 00:11:10.610 --> 00:11:13.970 align:middle line:84% about the repetition of, I want food. 00:11:13.970 --> 00:11:14.490 align:middle line:90% I want food. 00:11:14.490 --> 00:11:14.990 align:middle line:90% And. 00:11:14.990 --> 00:11:17.430 align:middle line:84% Then at a certain point as you're reading through it, 00:11:17.430 --> 00:11:18.305 align:middle line:90% it kind of changes. 00:11:18.305 --> 00:11:21.110 align:middle line:90% 00:11:21.110 --> 00:11:26.690 align:middle line:84% And this piece was part of a project like I said, 00:11:26.690 --> 00:11:28.550 align:middle line:90% that was a collaboration. 00:11:28.550 --> 00:11:32.060 align:middle line:90% We created these menus. 00:11:32.060 --> 00:11:36.650 align:middle line:84% They were exhibited pretty traditionally in a gallery. 00:11:36.650 --> 00:11:40.460 align:middle line:84% There were some dining tables, which you could grab the menu, 00:11:40.460 --> 00:11:42.680 align:middle line:84% and kind of spend more time with it. 00:11:42.680 --> 00:11:45.020 align:middle line:84% But they also-- the gallery gave us 00:11:45.020 --> 00:11:52.520 align:middle line:84% an opportunity to have a dinner, basically, to host a dinner. 00:11:52.520 --> 00:11:59.210 align:middle line:84% And so in true fashion, my collaborator and I 00:11:59.210 --> 00:12:02.910 align:middle line:84% wanted to complicate this dinner process. 00:12:02.910 --> 00:12:08.300 align:middle line:84% And so we secured an off site location. 00:12:08.300 --> 00:12:15.080 align:middle line:84% And we wanted to think about, again, breaking apart 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.200 align:middle line:90% what the dining experience is. 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:24.290 align:middle line:84% And we decided that we wanted to have a multi-course dinner, 00:12:24.290 --> 00:12:30.590 align:middle line:84% but each course would be at a different site on this old camp 00:12:30.590 --> 00:12:31.670 align:middle line:90% property. 00:12:31.670 --> 00:12:34.580 align:middle line:84% And so we moved with our dinner guests 00:12:34.580 --> 00:12:38.570 align:middle line:84% to each different location, and had a bite to eat, 00:12:38.570 --> 00:12:41.360 align:middle line:84% and then ended up all in one location 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.660 align:middle line:90% at the end for the main course. 00:12:45.660 --> 00:12:53.120 align:middle line:84% And so this piece, like I said, there 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:57.560 align:middle line:84% was a text that was kind of read at each site, and then 00:12:57.560 --> 00:12:58.880 align:middle line:90% a little bite of food. 00:12:58.880 --> 00:13:00.380 align:middle line:84% And then they were kind of related, 00:13:00.380 --> 00:13:04.400 align:middle line:84% and we talked about those things before moving on 00:13:04.400 --> 00:13:06.110 align:middle line:90% to the next one. 00:13:06.110 --> 00:13:14.850 align:middle line:84% I wanted to read an excerpt from that project. 00:13:14.850 --> 00:13:16.980 align:middle line:84% I suppose I'll read two excerpts, 00:13:16.980 --> 00:13:19.830 align:middle line:84% but we'll start off with this one. 00:13:19.830 --> 00:13:25.210 align:middle line:84% So this is a kind of zoomed in map of the property. 00:13:25.210 --> 00:13:29.010 align:middle line:84% And then there's an image on the left there of me 00:13:29.010 --> 00:13:32.670 align:middle line:84% in the middle of reciting what I will share with you now. 00:13:32.670 --> 00:13:38.700 align:middle line:84% But this particular spot in the project, 00:13:38.700 --> 00:13:41.100 align:middle line:90% I'm talking about water. 00:13:41.100 --> 00:13:45.180 align:middle line:84% And so we were thinking about the elements that 00:13:45.180 --> 00:13:48.710 align:middle line:90% were present in this location. 00:13:48.710 --> 00:13:55.675 align:middle line:84% So I'll read you a short excerpt from this particular section. 00:13:55.675 --> 00:13:58.840 align:middle line:90% 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:03.520 align:middle line:84% "There are two creeks that run through this property. 00:14:03.520 --> 00:14:08.740 align:middle line:84% They are known today as Bee Creek and Canyon Creek. 00:14:08.740 --> 00:14:12.034 align:middle line:90% They intersect over there. 00:14:12.034 --> 00:14:18.000 align:middle line:84% The water that fills this small lake is from Bee Creek. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.560 align:middle line:84% At one time, there were a number of Native salmon fish that 00:14:22.560 --> 00:14:25.620 align:middle line:90% made their home in this Creek. 00:14:25.620 --> 00:14:28.870 align:middle line:90% They are no longer there. 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:31.910 align:middle line:90% Maybe they will return. 00:14:31.910 --> 00:14:35.710 align:middle line:84% Maybe something else will take their place. 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:37.760 align:middle line:90% The creeks keep moving. 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:41.250 align:middle line:90% And they are never still. 00:14:41.250 --> 00:14:42.120 align:middle line:90% Close your eyes. 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:45.410 align:middle line:90% 00:14:45.410 --> 00:14:51.520 align:middle line:84% I like to imagine those fish as ghosts. 00:14:51.520 --> 00:14:55.270 align:middle line:84% And if those ghost fish were a light, 00:14:55.270 --> 00:14:58.750 align:middle line:84% this whole lake would glow and illuminate 00:14:58.750 --> 00:15:01.590 align:middle line:84% everything in the dark, everything 00:15:01.590 --> 00:15:05.970 align:middle line:84% down there in the water, and everything around us 00:15:05.970 --> 00:15:08.980 align:middle line:90% up here in the air. 00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:11.650 align:middle line:84% We would see everything differently. 00:15:11.650 --> 00:15:14.350 align:middle line:84% Imagine seeing everything differently 00:15:14.350 --> 00:15:16.700 align:middle line:90% than how we see it now. 00:15:16.700 --> 00:15:17.780 align:middle line:90% You can open your eyes." 00:15:17.780 --> 00:15:26.620 align:middle line:90% 00:15:26.620 --> 00:15:30.910 align:middle line:84% This is another site on the property. 00:15:30.910 --> 00:15:38.700 align:middle line:84% And this particular location, I was really drawn to-- well, 00:15:38.700 --> 00:15:40.920 align:middle line:84% the name of this location on the property 00:15:40.920 --> 00:15:42.670 align:middle line:90% is called Cedar Circle. 00:15:42.670 --> 00:15:44.100 align:middle line:84% And there's a bunch of cedar trees 00:15:44.100 --> 00:15:48.720 align:middle line:84% that kind of make this opening in this kind 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:54.960 align:middle line:84% of really lush and densely populated with trees area. 00:15:54.960 --> 00:16:01.400 align:middle line:84% And so I knew that I wanted to write 00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:04.490 align:middle line:90% about the trees in some fashion. 00:16:04.490 --> 00:16:09.500 align:middle line:84% And at that time, I was also doing a lot of research 00:16:09.500 --> 00:16:12.830 align:middle line:90% on Mexican healing practices. 00:16:12.830 --> 00:16:18.500 align:middle line:84% And so it really was a kind of nice moment 00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:21.530 align:middle line:84% where I could insert some of my research, 00:16:21.530 --> 00:16:28.820 align:middle line:84% and also talk about the actual kind of ingredient, 00:16:28.820 --> 00:16:34.400 align:middle line:84% or material that was present surrounding us. 00:16:34.400 --> 00:16:42.550 align:middle line:84% And so I'll read you an excerpt from this particular location. 00:16:42.550 --> 00:16:47.590 align:middle line:84% And then this is the last I'll share of this project. 00:16:47.590 --> 00:16:55.313 align:middle line:84% But it definitely starts to feed into a lot 00:16:55.313 --> 00:16:56.230 align:middle line:90% of the other projects. 00:16:56.230 --> 00:17:00.800 align:middle line:90% 00:17:00.800 --> 00:17:01.300 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:17:01.300 --> 00:17:05.740 align:middle line:90% 00:17:05.740 --> 00:17:10.900 align:middle line:84% "Cedar bark was once used in the production of rope, mats, 00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:14.319 align:middle line:84% and basketry, often combined with other elements 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.300 align:middle line:84% of the cedar, such as limbs, roots, 00:17:17.300 --> 00:17:22.190 align:middle line:84% bows, used your strength or decoration. 00:17:22.190 --> 00:17:24.710 align:middle line:84% In the past, cedar bark was the main material used 00:17:24.710 --> 00:17:27.470 align:middle line:84% in the production of clothing for the Sto:lo people 00:17:27.470 --> 00:17:30.560 align:middle line:84% in British Columbia, and other tribes in the Pacific 00:17:30.560 --> 00:17:32.530 align:middle line:90% Northwest." 00:17:32.530 --> 00:17:36.840 align:middle line:84% Which is where this took place, which is where I live. 00:17:36.840 --> 00:17:40.740 align:middle line:84% "After the bark was peeled into long strips from the trees, 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:45.750 align:middle line:84% the outer layer split away, and the flexible inner layer 00:17:45.750 --> 00:17:48.150 align:middle line:90% was shredded and processed. 00:17:48.150 --> 00:17:50.790 align:middle line:84% The resulting felted strips of bark 00:17:50.790 --> 00:17:53.040 align:middle line:84% were soft, and could be sewn or woven 00:17:53.040 --> 00:17:54.510 align:middle line:90% into a variety of fabrics. 00:17:54.510 --> 00:18:00.530 align:middle line:90% 00:18:00.530 --> 00:18:04.690 align:middle line:84% My great aunt practiced Mexican healing methods. 00:18:04.690 --> 00:18:08.110 align:middle line:90% She passed away a few years ago. 00:18:08.110 --> 00:18:09.880 align:middle line:84% There's an ailment in Mexican culture 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.790 align:middle line:84% that's not easily translated into English. 00:18:12.790 --> 00:18:16.210 align:middle line:90% Susto is what it's called. 00:18:16.210 --> 00:18:19.750 align:middle line:84% It's something you can see in a person, and maybe have felt, 00:18:19.750 --> 00:18:23.080 align:middle line:84% but there's no language, no words to fully describe it. 00:18:23.080 --> 00:18:27.300 align:middle line:84% It's not recognized in Western medicine. 00:18:27.300 --> 00:18:31.240 align:middle line:84% Susto is the loss of spirit, a loss of soul, 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.270 align:middle line:90% a magical fright, a trauma. 00:18:33.270 --> 00:18:36.760 align:middle line:90% 00:18:36.760 --> 00:18:38.770 align:middle line:84% The children held in detention centers 00:18:38.770 --> 00:18:42.430 align:middle line:84% at the border that can't remember their own mothers, 00:18:42.430 --> 00:18:45.540 align:middle line:90% this is susto. 00:18:45.540 --> 00:18:51.190 align:middle line:84% A ritual using cedar is used to help cure susto. 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:54.120 align:middle line:84% Bark and branches are gathered to make a broom. 00:18:54.120 --> 00:18:58.870 align:middle line:84% The cedar broom is used on the body as if to sweep 00:18:58.870 --> 00:19:02.570 align:middle line:90% the susto away from the surface. 00:19:02.570 --> 00:19:05.630 align:middle line:90% The cedar tree is generous. 00:19:05.630 --> 00:19:08.975 align:middle line:84% Maybe learn from the generosity of these kinds of trees." 00:19:08.975 --> 00:19:16.820 align:middle line:90% 00:19:16.820 --> 00:19:23.640 align:middle line:84% So this next project, I was invited 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:30.660 align:middle line:84% to meet the curatorial committee at a middle school 00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:32.160 align:middle line:90% here in Portland. 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:38.940 align:middle line:84% And it's a project, a social practice project, 00:19:38.940 --> 00:19:44.220 align:middle line:84% a contemporary art museum housed inside the middle school. 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:47.490 align:middle line:84% And it's called KSMoCA, the King School 00:19:47.490 --> 00:19:51.240 align:middle line:90% Museum of Contemporary Art. 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.960 align:middle line:84% And the curatorial committee is made up 00:19:54.960 --> 00:20:01.230 align:middle line:84% of 4th graders and 5th graders, I think. 00:20:01.230 --> 00:20:03.870 align:middle line:90% 00:20:03.870 --> 00:20:09.630 align:middle line:84% And the group invited me in with their advisor, Ross Cruz, 00:20:09.630 --> 00:20:12.820 align:middle line:84% who's pictured here in the center of the image. 00:20:12.820 --> 00:20:16.530 align:middle line:84% And I showed them a bunch of my work, 00:20:16.530 --> 00:20:20.250 align:middle line:84% and they decide one, if they're going 00:20:20.250 --> 00:20:26.220 align:middle line:84% to show my work in their school and their museum. 00:20:26.220 --> 00:20:30.360 align:middle line:84% And two, which of the works they might want to show. 00:20:30.360 --> 00:20:32.950 align:middle line:90% 00:20:32.950 --> 00:20:40.120 align:middle line:84% So we met on a Thursday, which is pizza day in the cafeteria. 00:20:40.120 --> 00:20:44.320 align:middle line:84% And we all got our pizzas, and went back to the room, 00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:45.850 align:middle line:84% and kind of were looking at my work. 00:20:45.850 --> 00:20:50.330 align:middle line:84% And I was talking about the work I was making. 00:20:50.330 --> 00:20:59.200 align:middle line:84% And in particular, a lot of the work that was more print based, 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.260 align:middle line:84% and then some of the work that was around these Mexican 00:21:02.260 --> 00:21:05.450 align:middle line:84% rituals that I was researching at the time. 00:21:05.450 --> 00:21:10.720 align:middle line:84% And so they were really drawn to these rituals, 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:15.550 align:middle line:84% and had all kinds of experiences of their own 00:21:15.550 --> 00:21:21.670 align:middle line:84% to share about family rituals, and different things that they 00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:24.790 align:middle line:90% would do in their own culture. 00:21:24.790 --> 00:21:29.050 align:middle line:84% And they were really jazzed about me bringing 00:21:29.050 --> 00:21:32.770 align:middle line:90% in these series of hand brooms. 00:21:32.770 --> 00:21:37.870 align:middle line:84% And so they knew they wanted to have that be part of the piece. 00:21:37.870 --> 00:21:43.720 align:middle line:84% And so instead of just having them select 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.300 align:middle line:84% works, and me installing these pieces, 00:21:46.300 --> 00:21:48.910 align:middle line:84% I decided that maybe we should collaborate on the piece 00:21:48.910 --> 00:21:50.720 align:middle line:90% together. 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:56.050 align:middle line:84% And so that's what we did for a series of a couple of months. 00:21:56.050 --> 00:21:59.890 align:middle line:84% I went to the school on pizza Thursdays, 00:21:59.890 --> 00:22:02.230 align:middle line:84% and we met, and we talked about the work 00:22:02.230 --> 00:22:05.080 align:middle line:90% that we were making together. 00:22:05.080 --> 00:22:08.620 align:middle line:84% So it started out from the broom itself, 00:22:08.620 --> 00:22:11.920 align:middle line:90% and the idea of this ritual. 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.560 align:middle line:84% And I asked the students what were 00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:19.720 align:middle line:84% the things that kind of ailed them, 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:22.240 align:middle line:84% or what were the things that worried them. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.930 align:middle line:84% And they began to share those experiences with me, 00:22:25.930 --> 00:22:28.330 align:middle line:84% and those things that they were thinking about. 00:22:28.330 --> 00:22:35.680 align:middle line:84% And I used that text to create this line drawing that 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:37.220 align:middle line:90% referenced the broom. 00:22:37.220 --> 00:22:41.050 align:middle line:84% And so what you see next to the room are two prints. 00:22:41.050 --> 00:22:43.420 align:middle line:84% One, you know, framed more traditionally, 00:22:43.420 --> 00:22:48.730 align:middle line:84% and the other one in this kind of a spiral 00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:52.690 align:middle line:84% bound format where students could 00:22:52.690 --> 00:22:56.690 align:middle line:84% rip off a copy of the print, and take it home if they wanted to. 00:22:56.690 --> 00:22:59.650 align:middle line:84% So they were really interested in the kind 00:22:59.650 --> 00:23:01.360 align:middle line:84% of interactive qualities of my work. 00:23:01.360 --> 00:23:04.240 align:middle line:84% So I wanted to make sure that those were also present 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:05.960 align:middle line:90% and included. 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:16.190 align:middle line:84% And so the text itself has, like I said, 00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:19.720 align:middle line:84% the responses to their questions, what worries them. 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:24.850 align:middle line:84% So they were talking about a really intense subject matter 00:23:24.850 --> 00:23:31.930 align:middle line:84% actually, family members getting sick, friends moving away, 00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:32.965 align:middle line:90% doing good in school. 00:23:32.965 --> 00:23:35.560 align:middle line:90% 00:23:35.560 --> 00:23:41.280 align:middle line:84% They talked about gun violence, and mass shootings in schools, 00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:51.260 align:middle line:84% and all types of things that we might not think children 00:23:51.260 --> 00:23:55.610 align:middle line:84% are processing, but they were readily 00:23:55.610 --> 00:23:58.460 align:middle line:84% available to talk about and share. 00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:04.360 align:middle line:84% And so it was a really wonderful and powerful piece 00:24:04.360 --> 00:24:05.600 align:middle line:90% that we worked on together. 00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:08.700 align:middle line:90% 00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:14.760 align:middle line:84% Here's a kind of closer up of the take away print. 00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:20.000 align:middle line:84% So you can see the text that turns into the line drawn. 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.320 align:middle line:84% And they help me choose the colors, and all of that 00:24:24.320 --> 00:24:27.319 align:middle line:90% as well, very collaborative. 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:34.030 align:middle line:90% 00:24:34.030 --> 00:24:42.940 align:middle line:84% So I have just a couple more things to share. 00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:55.670 align:middle line:84% Right before the pandemic hit, I was taking a self publishing 00:24:55.670 --> 00:25:01.460 align:middle line:84% course, and getting ready to publish 00:25:01.460 --> 00:25:04.490 align:middle line:90% a book of poetry and images. 00:25:04.490 --> 00:25:12.570 align:middle line:84% And I'm going to read a kind of excerpt from that. 00:25:12.570 --> 00:25:19.710 align:middle line:84% It's a project that I haven't continued to work on yet. 00:25:19.710 --> 00:25:24.680 align:middle line:84% I hope to, but my process is very long. 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:30.050 align:middle line:84% And this past year has been particularly challenging 00:25:30.050 --> 00:25:31.760 align:middle line:90% on my creative practice. 00:25:31.760 --> 00:25:35.560 align:middle line:90% And I haven't been able to-- 00:25:35.560 --> 00:25:39.790 align:middle line:84% I guess, more and what's happening in the world, 00:25:39.790 --> 00:25:41.140 align:middle line:90% and in my life. 00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:49.390 align:middle line:84% And I think once that happens, I might be able to work, 00:25:49.390 --> 00:25:55.620 align:middle line:84% and kind of process more through some projects I have in mind. 00:25:55.620 --> 00:25:59.320 align:middle line:84% I have lots of projects that just kind of stopped. 00:25:59.320 --> 00:26:06.190 align:middle line:84% But here is one that again, I intend 00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:09.610 align:middle line:84% to include in the publication, but I also 00:26:09.610 --> 00:26:17.980 align:middle line:84% am using as a kind of experimental presentation, 00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:20.770 align:middle line:84% or like, in a performative way, which 00:26:20.770 --> 00:26:24.430 align:middle line:84% is why you see this lovely image of water. 00:26:24.430 --> 00:26:28.990 align:middle line:90% 00:26:28.990 --> 00:26:30.610 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:26:30.610 --> 00:26:33.990 align:middle line:84% "I have a project I can't get out of my head. 00:26:33.990 --> 00:26:36.820 align:middle line:84% I think about it all of the time. 00:26:36.820 --> 00:26:39.900 align:middle line:84% But the real issue is that it refuses 00:26:39.900 --> 00:26:43.140 align:middle line:84% to move from my head to paper, and from paper 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:44.160 align:middle line:90% back to the Earth. 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.780 align:middle line:90% 00:26:46.780 --> 00:26:51.040 align:middle line:84% It's a hill in the middle of the ocean, my nephew says. 00:26:51.040 --> 00:26:52.540 align:middle line:90% It has water. 00:26:52.540 --> 00:26:55.960 align:middle line:84% It has flowers and animals on it. 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.800 align:middle line:84% The project is about islands, or a specific island, 00:26:59.800 --> 00:27:02.470 align:middle line:90% I'm not sure. 00:27:02.470 --> 00:27:04.960 align:middle line:84% How do I even write about an island? 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.270 align:middle line:90% And why do I even care? 00:27:08.270 --> 00:27:12.670 align:middle line:84% I grew up in the Mojave Desert, flat, dry land 00:27:12.670 --> 00:27:15.190 align:middle line:84% as far as you can see, and as far 00:27:15.190 --> 00:27:18.550 align:middle line:90% as you can possibly imagine. 00:27:18.550 --> 00:27:22.770 align:middle line:84% The only water I saw were mirages. 00:27:22.770 --> 00:27:24.420 align:middle line:90% Can you see it? 00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:27.120 align:middle line:84% Do you see it too, my sister would say, 00:27:27.120 --> 00:27:31.650 align:middle line:84% as she knocked her fist against my arm. 00:27:31.650 --> 00:27:35.430 align:middle line:84% An optical phenomenon in which light rays 00:27:35.430 --> 00:27:40.530 align:middle line:84% bend to produce a displaced image of distant objects, 00:27:40.530 --> 00:27:43.310 align:middle line:90% or the sky. 00:27:43.310 --> 00:27:50.180 align:middle line:84% The word comes from mirari, meaning to look at, to wonder. 00:27:50.180 --> 00:27:54.810 align:middle line:84% This is the same root as for mirror and to admire. 00:27:54.810 --> 00:27:57.640 align:middle line:90% 00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:00.350 align:middle line:90% My grandmother is an island. 00:28:00.350 --> 00:28:07.700 align:middle line:84% I look at her from peer, from my body with admiration. 00:28:07.700 --> 00:28:15.720 align:middle line:90% 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:20.700 align:middle line:84% My grandfather says, I know your grandmother is not well. 00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:24.340 align:middle line:90% She repeats things all the time. 00:28:24.340 --> 00:28:26.710 align:middle line:84% But I just got to go with the flow, mija. 00:28:26.710 --> 00:28:30.430 align:middle line:90% I just got to go with the flow. 00:28:30.430 --> 00:28:37.030 align:middle line:84% My grandmother is an island, the water washing away her memory. 00:28:37.030 --> 00:28:40.000 align:middle line:84% My grandmother, my grandmother is an island. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:29:13.730 align:middle line:90% 00:29:13.730 --> 00:29:16.130 align:middle line:84% And then this is the last piece I'll show. 00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:19.430 align:middle line:84% It is a piece I made this past year. 00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:25.790 align:middle line:84% The same gallery who invited me to work with my collaborator 00:29:25.790 --> 00:29:29.480 align:middle line:84% on the series of menus commissioned 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:37.720 align:middle line:84% me to revisit this piece that was a version of one 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:38.980 align:middle line:90% of the menus from before. 00:29:38.980 --> 00:29:45.190 align:middle line:84% But I made a different kind of version of it 00:29:45.190 --> 00:29:50.170 align:middle line:84% that really kind of referenced my life 00:29:50.170 --> 00:29:56.990 align:middle line:84% in that moment mid-pandemic almost 00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:59.650 align:middle line:90% about this time last year. 00:29:59.650 --> 00:30:02.770 align:middle line:84% And so it has that same kind of repeating quality. 00:30:02.770 --> 00:30:05.920 align:middle line:90% It's called Waiting For. 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:10.510 align:middle line:84% And it always starts with waiting for, 00:30:10.510 --> 00:30:12.170 align:middle line:84% "Waiting for something to happen, 00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:16.330 align:middle line:84% waiting for time to hold still, waiting for water to boil, 00:30:16.330 --> 00:30:19.030 align:middle line:84% waiting for the words to lose meaning, 00:30:19.030 --> 00:30:22.660 align:middle line:84% waiting for memories to fade, waiting for things to blow 00:30:22.660 --> 00:30:23.980 align:middle line:90% over. 00:30:23.980 --> 00:30:27.640 align:middle line:84% Waiting to work again, waiting for wisdom, 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.480 align:middle line:84% waiting for the struggle to end." 00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:32.190 align:middle line:90% And it goes on and on and on. 00:30:32.190 --> 00:30:35.970 align:middle line:84% And it's this combination of really mundane things 00:30:35.970 --> 00:30:40.650 align:middle line:84% that happen in our lives, like, waiting for the laundry to dry, 00:30:40.650 --> 00:30:42.390 align:middle line:84% bumped up against things that are really 00:30:42.390 --> 00:30:47.230 align:middle line:84% happening in that moment, waiting for the election, 00:30:47.230 --> 00:30:49.900 align:middle line:84% waiting for these moments of peace. 00:30:49.900 --> 00:30:52.500 align:middle line:90% 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:57.580 align:middle line:84% You know, especially during a time with so much upheaval, 00:30:57.580 --> 00:31:06.070 align:middle line:84% and Portland being one of the city centers of resistance 00:31:06.070 --> 00:31:07.370 align:middle line:90% in the country. 00:31:07.370 --> 00:31:13.210 align:middle line:84% And so there was so much happening then. 00:31:13.210 --> 00:31:17.290 align:middle line:84% It was hard not to have these mundane things in your life 00:31:17.290 --> 00:31:22.190 align:middle line:84% get butt up against very, very serious things as well. 00:31:22.190 --> 00:31:26.950 align:middle line:84% So this was a kind of piece that reflected that. 00:31:26.950 --> 00:31:30.560 align:middle line:90% 00:31:30.560 --> 00:31:34.360 align:middle line:90% And that's what I have for you. 00:31:34.360 --> 00:31:35.610 align:middle line:90% Thanks for bearing with me. 00:31:35.610 --> 00:31:40.664 align:middle line:84% I'm recovering from a sinus infection. 00:31:40.664 --> 00:31:43.270 align:middle line:90% 00:31:43.270 --> 00:31:44.790 align:middle line:90% Thank you, Jodie. 00:31:44.790 --> 00:31:47.190 align:middle line:84% I know you're an artist who uses language and text, 00:31:47.190 --> 00:31:50.670 align:middle line:84% but now I see you're also a poet and writer. 00:31:50.670 --> 00:31:51.780 align:middle line:90% So thank you. 00:31:51.780 --> 00:31:56.290 align:middle line:84% A menu for waiting is so poignant in these times 00:31:56.290 --> 00:31:56.970 align:middle line:90% particularly. 00:31:56.970 --> 00:31:59.170 align:middle line:90% So thank you so much. 00:31:59.170 --> 00:32:01.920 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.570 align:middle line:84% I loved that you talked about the KSMoCA program. 00:32:06.570 --> 00:32:08.580 align:middle line:90% I'm a huge fan of that program. 00:32:08.580 --> 00:32:13.530 align:middle line:84% And love that the students, they do all the work themselves. 00:32:13.530 --> 00:32:16.590 align:middle line:84% They consist of the curatorial committee. 00:32:16.590 --> 00:32:19.410 align:middle line:90% And I just think it's brilliant. 00:32:19.410 --> 00:32:22.870 align:middle line:84% So I love that you were able to collaborate with them. 00:32:22.870 --> 00:32:25.470 align:middle line:84% And I love that you talked about that you really approached it 00:32:25.470 --> 00:32:27.420 align:middle line:90% as a collaboration. 00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:29.400 align:middle line:84% A collaboration is one of these things 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:34.320 align:middle line:84% that seems really mysterious, and kind of magical to people. 00:32:34.320 --> 00:32:36.510 align:middle line:84% And so rarely do I hear discussions 00:32:36.510 --> 00:32:39.300 align:middle line:84% about what collaborations look like, what 00:32:39.300 --> 00:32:43.210 align:middle line:84% it means, what it constitutes, a successful collaboration. 00:32:43.210 --> 00:32:45.210 align:middle line:84% So maybe you could talk about how you approached 00:32:45.210 --> 00:32:47.430 align:middle line:84% collaborations, and you could use KSMoCA 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:51.210 align:middle line:84% as the sort of test case, or talk 00:32:51.210 --> 00:32:54.490 align:middle line:84% about any of the collaborations that you've done. 00:32:54.490 --> 00:32:57.450 align:middle line:90% Yeah, that's a hard one. 00:32:57.450 --> 00:33:09.820 align:middle line:84% I think, I can say coming from maybe a pretty large family, 00:33:09.820 --> 00:33:13.610 align:middle line:90% that definitely-- 00:33:13.610 --> 00:33:16.360 align:middle line:90% 00:33:16.360 --> 00:33:17.612 align:middle line:90% that's my nephew talking. 00:33:17.612 --> 00:33:20.710 align:middle line:90% 00:33:20.710 --> 00:33:23.350 align:middle line:84% That definitely has affected the way 00:33:23.350 --> 00:33:25.160 align:middle line:90% I think about collaboration. 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:30.430 align:middle line:84% I think so much about art making is authorship. 00:33:30.430 --> 00:33:32.770 align:middle line:84% And with collaboration, I think you 00:33:32.770 --> 00:33:35.590 align:middle line:84% have to let a lot of that authorship go. 00:33:35.590 --> 00:33:42.160 align:middle line:84% And you have to think about the collaboration, at least for me, 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:46.880 align:middle line:84% I can speak to my own collaboration experiences. 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:52.060 align:middle line:84% But for me, collaboration is more about that relationship 00:33:52.060 --> 00:33:53.900 align:middle line:90% than it is about the outcome. 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:57.580 align:middle line:84% And so when I keep thinking about that, 00:33:57.580 --> 00:34:01.400 align:middle line:84% and prioritizing that, then it helps 00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.410 align:middle line:84% to make decisions about what is best 00:34:05.410 --> 00:34:08.230 align:middle line:90% for that particular situation. 00:34:08.230 --> 00:34:09.639 align:middle line:84% Every collaboration is different. 00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:14.020 align:middle line:84% And then working with youth is very different than working 00:34:14.020 --> 00:34:16.600 align:middle line:90% and collaborating with adults. 00:34:16.600 --> 00:34:23.710 align:middle line:84% So yeah, with the KSMoCA crew, you know, 00:34:23.710 --> 00:34:27.250 align:middle line:84% they had been working with artists for a while, 00:34:27.250 --> 00:34:33.139 align:middle line:84% and having KSMoCA be in their school for quite some time. 00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:36.610 align:middle line:84% And so they were already used to what 00:34:36.610 --> 00:34:41.290 align:middle line:84% relationships look like with artists from the outside. 00:34:41.290 --> 00:34:46.389 align:middle line:84% And so you know, I just leaned into what 00:34:46.389 --> 00:34:48.159 align:middle line:90% they were wanting and thinking. 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:51.820 align:middle line:90% And that helped drive it. 00:34:51.820 --> 00:34:58.600 align:middle line:84% And they were eager and open to hear what I had to say, 00:34:58.600 --> 00:35:03.940 align:middle line:84% but also, had their own ideas as well. 00:35:03.940 --> 00:35:12.440 align:middle line:84% And so for me, it's just with KSMoCA also, 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:17.090 align:middle line:84% I just feel really grateful that they invited me in. 00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:20.840 align:middle line:84% It's such a well-known project across the country. 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:28.310 align:middle line:84% And even though there's seemingly a lot at stake, 00:35:28.310 --> 00:35:31.100 align:middle line:90% it also didn't feel like that. 00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:32.690 align:middle line:90% It felt really comfortable. 00:35:32.690 --> 00:35:35.870 align:middle line:84% And it felt like we could do whatever we wanted to do. 00:35:35.870 --> 00:35:44.290 align:middle line:84% Because they were always pushing up against the kind of rules. 00:35:44.290 --> 00:35:47.790 align:middle line:84% And so we just kind of went with it. 00:35:47.790 --> 00:35:50.540 align:middle line:90% 00:35:50.540 --> 00:35:56.250 align:middle line:84% So you grew up in Inland Empire, and you're 00:35:56.250 --> 00:35:57.960 align:middle line:90% an alumni of 性视界. 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.950 align:middle line:84% So I'm wondering if you have any advice for students 00:36:01.950 --> 00:36:04.140 align:middle line:84% who might be interested in a career in the arts, 00:36:04.140 --> 00:36:07.890 align:middle line:90% or are looking for-- 00:36:07.890 --> 00:36:10.200 align:middle line:84% or just have a future in the arts in general. 00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:15.280 align:middle line:84% I wonder if you had any advice for them. 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:19.380 align:middle line:84% And it's funny, because we were talking before folks entered 00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:25.920 align:middle line:84% the room, but I was saying that initially, I 00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:29.430 align:middle line:84% wanted to go to culinary school before I went to college. 00:36:29.430 --> 00:36:33.280 align:middle line:90% And didn't go down that path. 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.610 align:middle line:84% But then while I was in school, I 00:36:35.610 --> 00:36:37.650 align:middle line:84% studied so many different things, 00:36:37.650 --> 00:36:44.340 align:middle line:84% because I really didn't see a way that I could be an artist, 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:47.730 align:middle line:84% and maintain like a career doing that. 00:36:47.730 --> 00:36:50.220 align:middle line:84% Like, I always knew that I would make art, 00:36:50.220 --> 00:36:55.800 align:middle line:84% but I didn't think that I could have a career doing that. 00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.840 align:middle line:84% And I was saying, I didn't feel pressured by anyone. 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.880 align:middle line:84% I just had that kind of thought in my head. 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.450 align:middle line:84% And I kept taking art classes anyway. 00:37:06.450 --> 00:37:11.100 align:middle line:84% And I took a lot of other courses, which 00:37:11.100 --> 00:37:16.150 align:middle line:84% is the reason I think so much of my work 00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:21.610 align:middle line:84% is interdisciplinary, because it is influenced by psychology, 00:37:21.610 --> 00:37:24.850 align:middle line:84% and sociology, and all these other classes 00:37:24.850 --> 00:37:28.880 align:middle line:90% that I took over the years. 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:33.700 align:middle line:84% And so my advice is like a long winded response. 00:37:33.700 --> 00:37:42.380 align:middle line:84% But I guess my advice is that if you're 00:37:42.380 --> 00:37:47.690 align:middle line:84% continuing to take art classes, even though you don't think-- 00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:49.370 align:middle line:84% maybe you felt similarly, you didn't 00:37:49.370 --> 00:37:52.790 align:middle line:84% think that it was possible to have a career. 00:37:52.790 --> 00:37:55.850 align:middle line:84% You've got to maybe listen to yourself a little bit more 00:37:55.850 --> 00:37:57.420 align:middle line:90% and pursue that. 00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:01.280 align:middle line:90% But it isn't easy, obviously. 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:05.780 align:middle line:84% And I had plenty of faculty over the years 00:38:05.780 --> 00:38:12.680 align:middle line:84% give me statistics about how many artists don't make it. 00:38:12.680 --> 00:38:19.550 align:middle line:84% And so the way that you can become successful 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:24.650 align:middle line:84% is just continuing to make, talking to your faculty, 00:38:24.650 --> 00:38:28.280 align:middle line:84% really developing relationships with your teachers, 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.220 align:middle line:90% and they're your community. 00:38:32.220 --> 00:38:37.740 align:middle line:84% And then being really engaged in any kind of other clubs 00:38:37.740 --> 00:38:45.810 align:middle line:84% or collectives, or any other extracurricular things that 00:38:45.810 --> 00:38:48.720 align:middle line:90% you can be a part of. 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:54.120 align:middle line:84% Because it's less hard when you're doing it together, 00:38:54.120 --> 00:38:56.580 align:middle line:90% when you're sharing resources. 00:38:56.580 --> 00:39:01.620 align:middle line:84% As I think a lot of folks have experienced this past year, 00:39:01.620 --> 00:39:06.900 align:middle line:90% it takes working together. 00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:10.070 align:middle line:84% It takes a village to make things happen. 00:39:10.070 --> 00:39:15.920 align:middle line:84% And that's how I was able to kind 00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:23.180 align:middle line:84% of navigate through school, and starting an art practice, 00:39:23.180 --> 00:39:26.190 align:middle line:84% and kind of really seeing it through. 00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:31.040 align:middle line:90% And it's also a lifelong thing. 00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:33.440 align:middle line:84% I think so many folks are eager to be 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:37.860 align:middle line:84% successful at every kind of step of the way. 00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:39.450 align:middle line:90% And that's not realistic. 00:39:39.450 --> 00:39:42.890 align:middle line:90% And that's how you burn out. 00:39:42.890 --> 00:39:45.950 align:middle line:84% I think of my art practice as a lifelong practice. 00:39:45.950 --> 00:39:47.900 align:middle line:84% And you know, there's these moments 00:39:47.900 --> 00:39:51.050 align:middle line:84% that are punctuated where I have these great opportunities, 00:39:51.050 --> 00:39:54.560 align:middle line:84% and work with some amazing artists, and gets shown, 00:39:54.560 --> 00:39:55.610 align:middle line:90% or whatever. 00:39:55.610 --> 00:40:01.350 align:middle line:84% But there's still a lot of life left. 00:40:01.350 --> 00:40:07.730 align:middle line:84% And so I'm not so worried, or I try 00:40:07.730 --> 00:40:14.720 align:middle line:84% not to get worried about who gets more attention, 00:40:14.720 --> 00:40:17.960 align:middle line:84% who is a younger artists with more accolades, 00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.030 align:middle line:90% or what have you. 00:40:20.030 --> 00:40:27.790 align:middle line:84% I can only worry about myself, and do what I can do. 00:40:27.790 --> 00:40:29.740 align:middle line:84% We've got a question from Evelyn. 00:40:29.740 --> 00:40:31.630 align:middle line:84% What does your creative process look like? 00:40:31.630 --> 00:40:36.710 align:middle line:84% Do you have a very specific way to go about ideas or projects? 00:40:36.710 --> 00:40:40.640 align:middle line:84% My process is very research based. 00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:43.820 align:middle line:84% I start with a set of ideas or concerns, 00:40:43.820 --> 00:40:47.300 align:middle line:84% and really will go down a rabbit hole 00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:52.250 align:middle line:90% of just kind of researching. 00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:56.780 align:middle line:84% And you know, messing with-- if it's a material, 00:40:56.780 --> 00:41:00.080 align:middle line:84% or if there's a material that's related to the idea, 00:41:00.080 --> 00:41:05.280 align:middle line:84% then I might experiment with that. 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:12.170 align:middle line:84% A lot of it is kind of wandering for a long period of time. 00:41:12.170 --> 00:41:17.630 align:middle line:84% I do spend a lot of time just thinking, which 00:41:17.630 --> 00:41:20.750 align:middle line:84% took me a long time to get used to, 00:41:20.750 --> 00:41:25.610 align:middle line:90% or to even be able to admit. 00:41:25.610 --> 00:41:28.040 align:middle line:84% You know, I would spend time in the studio 00:41:28.040 --> 00:41:31.580 align:middle line:84% just like sitting on a couch just kind 00:41:31.580 --> 00:41:35.300 align:middle line:84% of staring blankly off, and trying to make sense of things 00:41:35.300 --> 00:41:38.150 align:middle line:84% in my head, where maybe other people 00:41:38.150 --> 00:41:40.740 align:middle line:84% might be sketching or something like that. 00:41:40.740 --> 00:41:44.300 align:middle line:84% But I'm really thinking about how 00:41:44.300 --> 00:41:54.310 align:middle line:84% I can envision a certain set of ideas being communicated. 00:41:54.310 --> 00:42:00.920 align:middle line:84% I also think a lot about how the work communicates 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.950 align:middle line:90% to non artists. 00:42:03.950 --> 00:42:07.850 align:middle line:84% And I think that that influences a lot of the work 00:42:07.850 --> 00:42:10.310 align:middle line:90% that I make as well. 00:42:10.310 --> 00:42:13.140 align:middle line:90% 00:42:13.140 --> 00:42:18.920 align:middle line:84% So a lot of sitting around and doing nothing for a long time 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:25.110 align:middle line:84% before I start to see some of the things come together. 00:42:25.110 --> 00:42:28.130 align:middle line:84% I also usually like to do a kind of-- 00:42:28.130 --> 00:42:31.760 align:middle line:84% I guess what you would maybe think of as a mind map, 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.180 align:middle line:84% and start to group some of and ideas and materials together 00:42:35.180 --> 00:42:41.060 align:middle line:84% on paper, and then start to see how that might move things 00:42:41.060 --> 00:42:42.910 align:middle line:90% forward. 00:42:42.910 --> 00:42:47.840 align:middle line:84% Once I get into production, it's usually really fast. 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.490 align:middle line:84% And that's because I have spent so much time already thinking 00:42:52.490 --> 00:42:57.110 align:middle line:84% about what it is I want to say, and what materials I 00:42:57.110 --> 00:42:58.730 align:middle line:90% want to use. 00:42:58.730 --> 00:43:00.740 align:middle line:84% Thinking about materials, a question 00:43:00.740 --> 00:43:02.960 align:middle line:90% from Kimberly in the chat. 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:05.210 align:middle line:84% Do you have an overall media preference, 00:43:05.210 --> 00:43:08.910 align:middle line:84% or process that has been your favorite to work with? 00:43:08.910 --> 00:43:10.060 align:middle line:90% I do love sculpture. 00:43:10.060 --> 00:43:15.420 align:middle line:84% I didn't show any sculpture really in this presentation. 00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:19.440 align:middle line:84% I think that part of that is just using your hands, 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.550 align:middle line:90% and building. 00:43:20.550 --> 00:43:23.610 align:middle line:90% And I do love that. 00:43:23.610 --> 00:43:30.380 align:middle line:84% But I don't think I have a preference necessarily. 00:43:30.380 --> 00:43:34.250 align:middle line:84% A lot of the projects include a variety of media. 00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:39.650 align:middle line:84% And so I'm able to kind of pick and choose things 00:43:39.650 --> 00:43:46.760 align:middle line:84% that I think are communicating the message. 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:55.520 align:middle line:84% More recently, I've been working with printmaking, which I enjoy 00:43:55.520 --> 00:43:58.940 align:middle line:90% the process of printmaking. 00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:02.120 align:middle line:84% But I also think some of that had to do with the fact 00:44:02.120 --> 00:44:05.510 align:middle line:84% that there was a period of time where I 00:44:05.510 --> 00:44:08.520 align:middle line:90% didn't have an artist's studio. 00:44:08.520 --> 00:44:13.460 align:middle line:84% And so I was working, and went to work at a print shop. 00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:17.600 align:middle line:84% And so that kind of influenced the work 00:44:17.600 --> 00:44:22.410 align:middle line:84% that I was making, because I had access to a print shop. 00:44:22.410 --> 00:44:26.220 align:middle line:90% So yeah. 00:44:26.220 --> 00:44:29.660 align:middle line:90% 00:44:29.660 --> 00:44:35.730 align:middle line:84% I mean, I tend to enjoy all of the things that I work with. 00:44:35.730 --> 00:44:37.950 align:middle line:84% And for every project, to kind of just-- 00:44:37.950 --> 00:44:40.950 align:middle line:90% 00:44:40.950 --> 00:44:49.950 align:middle line:84% I really think about what is it that the project-- 00:44:49.950 --> 00:44:53.680 align:middle line:90% 00:44:53.680 --> 00:44:55.570 align:middle line:84% just going back to the KSMoCA that 00:44:55.570 --> 00:44:59.940 align:middle line:84% had multiple interactive qualities. 00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:01.900 align:middle line:90% It started out with the broom. 00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:05.320 align:middle line:84% I knew I wanted to include the broom because the students were 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.970 align:middle line:84% so drawn to it, and they wanted to include the broom. 00:45:09.970 --> 00:45:16.615 align:middle line:84% And then so much of what we were doing we were just talking. 00:45:16.615 --> 00:45:19.270 align:middle line:90% 00:45:19.270 --> 00:45:23.200 align:middle line:84% Me and the youth were just having conversations about art, 00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:31.330 align:middle line:84% about different cultural healing practices, and superstitions, 00:45:31.330 --> 00:45:33.260 align:middle line:90% and different things. 00:45:33.260 --> 00:45:35.560 align:middle line:84% And so I knew that there had to be 00:45:35.560 --> 00:45:37.810 align:middle line:90% a sort of storytelling element. 00:45:37.810 --> 00:45:42.230 align:middle line:84% And so language just became like the way to do that. 00:45:42.230 --> 00:45:45.100 align:middle line:84% And so then that led to printmaking. 00:45:45.100 --> 00:45:48.370 align:middle line:84% And so I really just kind of try to go back 00:45:48.370 --> 00:45:52.620 align:middle line:84% to the original idea, and see what serves it. 00:45:52.620 --> 00:45:55.045 align:middle line:84% So you talked about the value of research in your practice 00:45:55.045 --> 00:45:58.410 align:middle line:84% as sort of like the early stages, right, so research, 00:45:58.410 --> 00:46:02.520 align:middle line:84% experimentation, which all requires time, right. 00:46:02.520 --> 00:46:03.510 align:middle line:90% Can you talk about-- 00:46:03.510 --> 00:46:07.350 align:middle line:84% I mean, you've had some really amazing residencies. 00:46:07.350 --> 00:46:09.240 align:middle line:84% Can you talk about how residencies 00:46:09.240 --> 00:46:14.590 align:middle line:84% fit into your practice, and that research phase potentially? 00:46:14.590 --> 00:46:16.630 align:middle line:84% I have had the opportunity to have 00:46:16.630 --> 00:46:20.770 align:middle line:90% some pretty cool residencies. 00:46:20.770 --> 00:46:22.480 align:middle line:84% I would say, it took me some time 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:28.690 align:middle line:84% to figure out how to use residencies to my advantage. 00:46:28.690 --> 00:46:33.340 align:middle line:84% The first couple of residencies I went on I 00:46:33.340 --> 00:46:35.950 align:middle line:84% over-packed and brought all these materials, 00:46:35.950 --> 00:46:37.450 align:middle line:84% and had all these ideas, and thought 00:46:37.450 --> 00:46:41.530 align:middle line:84% I was going to make a certain set of things. 00:46:41.530 --> 00:46:48.170 align:middle line:84% And then I realized now, and unless I 00:46:48.170 --> 00:46:52.100 align:middle line:84% have like a project or a deadline I'm working on, 00:46:52.100 --> 00:46:54.750 align:middle line:84% I usually don't bring that much anymore. 00:46:54.750 --> 00:46:59.960 align:middle line:84% And really, it for me, is about the place that I'm going to, 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:03.590 align:middle line:84% and really like being open and listening to that space, 00:47:03.590 --> 00:47:07.700 align:middle line:84% and seeing if there's any crossover into the things I'm 00:47:07.700 --> 00:47:10.710 align:middle line:84% already interested in, or thinking about. 00:47:10.710 --> 00:47:19.250 align:middle line:84% And it allows me the time to kind of see 00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:22.980 align:middle line:84% that work, or those ideas from a different perspective. 00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:27.080 align:middle line:84% And so I think that that's one of the main ways 00:47:27.080 --> 00:47:30.080 align:middle line:84% that the residences have functioned for me. 00:47:30.080 --> 00:47:36.090 align:middle line:84% And then I think about the location itself 00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:38.830 align:middle line:90% and what it has to offer. 00:47:38.830 --> 00:47:47.760 align:middle line:84% So the last residency I did was in February of last year. 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:53.850 align:middle line:84% I went to Brighton, England actually, 00:47:53.850 --> 00:47:58.260 align:middle line:84% and shot a lot of footage of the water there. 00:47:58.260 --> 00:48:04.500 align:middle line:84% My studio was actually on a large barge 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:12.570 align:middle line:84% that was kind of parked in the dock there. 00:48:12.570 --> 00:48:18.120 align:middle line:84% And so I knew that residency was going to be very like water 00:48:18.120 --> 00:48:19.360 align:middle line:90% centered. 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.780 align:middle line:84% And so I was thinking about that. 00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:25.740 align:middle line:84% And I shot a lot of footage, and I wasn't sure 00:48:25.740 --> 00:48:27.180 align:middle line:90% what I was going to do with it. 00:48:27.180 --> 00:48:29.835 align:middle line:84% But it keeps creeping up in these different ways. 00:48:29.835 --> 00:48:32.680 align:middle line:90% 00:48:32.680 --> 00:48:35.340 align:middle line:84% And so I do revisit some of that. 00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:44.155 align:middle line:84% When I did the residency in Joshua Tree at AZ West, 00:48:44.155 --> 00:48:45.780 align:middle line:84% you know, I'm familiar with the desert, 00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:47.190 align:middle line:90% because I grew up there. 00:48:47.190 --> 00:48:50.290 align:middle line:84% That site is not far from where I grew up. 00:48:50.290 --> 00:48:54.270 align:middle line:84% And you know, I knew that the sun 00:48:54.270 --> 00:48:57.240 align:middle line:84% was going to be one of the elements that was just 00:48:57.240 --> 00:49:00.310 align:middle line:90% going to be beating down on us. 00:49:00.310 --> 00:49:04.830 align:middle line:84% And so I took a lot of materials where 00:49:04.830 --> 00:49:08.490 align:middle line:84% I could make cyanotype prints, similar to the ones behind me 00:49:08.490 --> 00:49:13.650 align:middle line:84% here, and using the sun to develop these really 00:49:13.650 --> 00:49:18.810 align:middle line:84% archaic kind of photography prints while I was out there. 00:49:18.810 --> 00:49:26.430 align:middle line:84% And so yeah, I'll usually bring like one kind of element, 00:49:26.430 --> 00:49:29.490 align:middle line:84% or let's think about one element that place has to offer, 00:49:29.490 --> 00:49:31.230 align:middle line:90% the landscape has to offer. 00:49:31.230 --> 00:49:35.850 align:middle line:84% And kind of have that in my back pocket, 00:49:35.850 --> 00:49:39.300 align:middle line:84% but really use the time and space to think about 00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:44.610 align:middle line:84% what's there, and how that place can make me 00:49:44.610 --> 00:49:47.610 align:middle line:84% think about my ideas differently. 00:49:47.610 --> 00:49:50.670 align:middle line:84% And then of course, connection to other people. 00:49:50.670 --> 00:49:52.650 align:middle line:84% I mean, that's a huge part of residences 00:49:52.650 --> 00:49:57.330 align:middle line:84% as well is making connections with the other residents, 00:49:57.330 --> 00:50:02.377 align:middle line:84% with the people who are running the place, and all of that. 00:50:02.377 --> 00:50:03.960 align:middle line:84% Is there anything that you're reading, 00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:07.970 align:middle line:84% watching, looking at, artists work who is really inspiring 00:50:07.970 --> 00:50:08.480 align:middle line:90% you? 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.660 align:middle line:84% Like, what's inspiring you, and sort 00:50:12.660 --> 00:50:15.810 align:middle line:84% of getting you through this difficult pandemic world we 00:50:15.810 --> 00:50:17.670 align:middle line:90% live in? 00:50:17.670 --> 00:50:22.680 align:middle line:84% I've been reading a lot of Ocean Vuong's work, a poet. 00:50:22.680 --> 00:50:25.680 align:middle line:90% 00:50:25.680 --> 00:50:28.240 align:middle line:90% It's quite sad. 00:50:28.240 --> 00:50:35.640 align:middle line:90% But I do enjoy reading his work. 00:50:35.640 --> 00:50:39.100 align:middle line:84% I'm trying to get back into writing. 00:50:39.100 --> 00:50:43.560 align:middle line:84% So I think that a lot of what I'm reading 00:50:43.560 --> 00:50:45.510 align:middle line:90% is poetry right now. 00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:49.300 align:middle line:90% 00:50:49.300 --> 00:50:57.380 align:middle line:84% Tommy Pico's work also is really great. 00:50:57.380 --> 00:51:07.500 align:middle line:84% And then yeah, I mean, I just listen to a lot of music also. 00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:15.750 align:middle line:84% And so that also helps me kind of get through things, 00:51:15.750 --> 00:51:21.620 align:middle line:84% and try to get moving a little bit in the studio. 00:51:21.620 --> 00:51:24.950 align:middle line:84% We had another question pop up in the chat from Matt, 00:51:24.950 --> 00:51:26.450 align:middle line:90% in the chat. 00:51:26.450 --> 00:51:33.290 align:middle line:84% How has living in the Pacific Northwest influenced your work? 00:51:33.290 --> 00:51:35.710 align:middle line:84% I'm sure it's influenced my work a ton. 00:51:35.710 --> 00:51:42.560 align:middle line:90% 00:51:42.560 --> 00:51:45.300 align:middle line:84% One of their early opportunities I got for a residency 00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:53.070 align:middle line:84% was to go to Utah for the Center for Land Use Interpretation. 00:51:53.070 --> 00:51:56.600 align:middle line:84% And you know, growing up, I always 00:51:56.600 --> 00:51:59.090 align:middle line:84% wanted to just like leave the desert. 00:51:59.090 --> 00:52:07.630 align:middle line:84% And it was just such a rural like wasteland to me 00:52:07.630 --> 00:52:09.880 align:middle line:84% in my mind, like, growing up there. 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:16.140 align:middle line:84% And when I did that residency, it 00:52:16.140 --> 00:52:17.550 align:middle line:90% was a different type of desert. 00:52:17.550 --> 00:52:22.020 align:middle line:84% It was very harsh, and it's in the middle of nowhere. 00:52:22.020 --> 00:52:28.200 align:middle line:84% And I gained a new appreciation for the desert. 00:52:28.200 --> 00:52:31.700 align:middle line:84% And so I guess the more time I spend away 00:52:31.700 --> 00:52:36.050 align:middle line:84% from the place I grew up, the more appreciation 00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:41.510 align:middle line:84% I have for the landscape itself when I go visit. 00:52:41.510 --> 00:52:48.040 align:middle line:84% I find myself like taking photos of the epic sunsets there, 00:52:48.040 --> 00:52:50.330 align:middle line:90% or what have you. 00:52:50.330 --> 00:52:54.080 align:middle line:84% There's just so much to appreciate 00:52:54.080 --> 00:53:05.890 align:middle line:84% that I didn't see growing up an angsty kid there when I was. 00:53:05.890 --> 00:53:08.030 align:middle line:84% Where you grew up it stays with you, doesn't it? 00:53:08.030 --> 00:53:09.760 align:middle line:90% Yes. 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:13.610 align:middle line:84% Well, huge thanks to you, Jodie, for your generosity today. 00:53:13.610 --> 00:53:16.240 align:middle line:84% It was great to see a little bit of your practice. 00:53:16.240 --> 00:53:19.010 align:middle line:84% And we appreciate your time and energy. 00:53:19.010 --> 00:53:20.650 align:middle line:90% So thanks so much. 00:53:20.650 --> 00:53:22.720 align:middle line:84% And thanks to all of you who spent a little bit 00:53:22.720 --> 00:53:23.930 align:middle line:90% of your afternoon with us. 00:53:23.930 --> 00:53:25.000 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