WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.968 align:middle line:90% [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:00:03.968 --> 00:00:11.410 align:middle line:90% 00:00:11.410 --> 00:00:12.500 align:middle line:90% Welcome, everyone. 00:00:12.500 --> 00:00:14.590 align:middle line:84% Thank you for joining us today's program 00:00:14.590 --> 00:00:16.780 align:middle line:84% featuring artist, Ann Le, presented 00:00:16.780 --> 00:00:19.480 align:middle line:84% as part of the Wignall Museum's Home Edition. 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.460 align:middle line:84% Home Edition is a series of curated artists talks, 00:00:22.460 --> 00:00:24.040 align:middle line:84% workshops, and discussions featuring 00:00:24.040 --> 00:00:26.215 align:middle line:90% artists and cultural workers. 00:00:26.215 --> 00:00:27.340 align:middle line:90% My name is Rebecca Trawick. 00:00:27.340 --> 00:00:30.820 align:middle line:84% And I serve as the Director and Curator of the Wignall Museum. 00:00:30.820 --> 00:00:33.940 align:middle line:84% The Wignall Museum is a teaching museum and interdisciplinary 00:00:33.940 --> 00:00:37.040 align:middle line:84% arts space that introduces 性视界 students, 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:39.940 align:middle line:84% faculty, staff, and community members 00:00:39.940 --> 00:00:43.310 align:middle line:84% to innovative contemporary art objects and ideas. 00:00:43.310 --> 00:00:46.880 align:middle line:84% By fostering critical thinking, visual literacy, discourse, 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:49.270 align:middle line:84% and empathy, the museum seeks to enhance 00:00:49.270 --> 00:00:52.860 align:middle line:84% the intellectual and cultural life of our community. 00:00:52.860 --> 00:00:55.280 align:middle line:84% We want to take a moment to recognize that we are situated 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:58.700 align:middle line:84% on the Rancho Cucamonga campus of 性视界, which 00:00:58.700 --> 00:01:00.950 align:middle line:84% resides on the traditional and unsuited lands 00:01:00.950 --> 00:01:02.790 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everyone. 00:01:56.340 --> 00:01:57.260 align:middle line:90% My name is Andy Hadle. 00:01:57.260 --> 00:01:59.180 align:middle line:84% I'm the Preparator at the museum. 00:01:59.180 --> 00:02:01.940 align:middle line:84% In a moment, Ann Le will present for about 30 minutes 00:02:01.940 --> 00:02:04.970 align:middle line:84% or so with our remaining time being available for Q&A. 00:02:04.970 --> 00:02:05.770 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Roman. 00:02:05.770 --> 00:02:06.470 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Andy. 00:02:06.470 --> 00:02:08.360 align:middle line:84% So today, I have the pleasure of introducing 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.400 align:middle line:90% our guest artist, Ann Le. 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:13.880 align:middle line:84% Ann Lee received a BFA from Cal State Fullerton and her MFA 00:02:13.880 --> 00:02:15.710 align:middle line:90% from Cal State Long Beach. 00:02:15.710 --> 00:02:18.950 align:middle line:84% Le's work explores identity, culture, family history, 00:02:18.950 --> 00:02:20.990 align:middle line:84% and the duality of becoming Vietnamese 00:02:20.990 --> 00:02:23.150 align:middle line:90% American in her work. 00:02:23.150 --> 00:02:26.180 align:middle line:84% Inspired by the cultural context in her life, 00:02:26.180 --> 00:02:28.790 align:middle line:84% Le correlates the artificial with remembrances 00:02:28.790 --> 00:02:30.800 align:middle line:90% of generational trauma. 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:32.930 align:middle line:84% Sentiment is vital in her work as she 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:35.090 align:middle line:84% questions her personal experiences 00:02:35.090 --> 00:02:37.660 align:middle line:90% to construct imposing art. 00:02:37.660 --> 00:02:40.660 align:middle line:84% She excavates her lineage by revisiting her family's 00:02:40.660 --> 00:02:44.200 align:middle line:84% experiences by using personal and found images 00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:47.820 align:middle line:84% to reconstruct slippages in time and history. 00:02:47.820 --> 00:02:50.500 align:middle line:84% As layers of images are stacked upon one another, 00:02:50.500 --> 00:02:52.470 align:middle line:84% Lee travels through time commenting 00:02:52.470 --> 00:02:55.800 align:middle line:84% on the idea of home displacement separation 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.810 align:middle line:84% and how we embrace and conquer loss. 00:02:58.810 --> 00:03:01.810 align:middle line:84% Tragic and poetic composites are pieced together 00:03:01.810 --> 00:03:03.760 align:middle line:84% to unravel narratives which places 00:03:03.760 --> 00:03:05.770 align:middle line:84% her Vietnamese American perspective 00:03:05.770 --> 00:03:08.470 align:middle line:90% into a contemporary landscape. 00:03:08.470 --> 00:03:10.450 align:middle line:84% Ann Le was born in San Diego, California. 00:03:10.450 --> 00:03:14.410 align:middle line:84% And currently lives and works in Los Angeles, California. 00:03:14.410 --> 00:03:18.790 align:middle line:84% So please join me in giving Ann a warm virtual welcome. 00:03:18.790 --> 00:03:21.110 align:middle line:90% Thanks, Ann. 00:03:21.110 --> 00:03:22.490 align:middle line:90% Hi. 00:03:22.490 --> 00:03:23.720 align:middle line:90% Hi. 00:03:23.720 --> 00:03:26.430 align:middle line:90% Thank you for having me today. 00:03:26.430 --> 00:03:28.050 align:middle line:84% I kind of lost my voice Wednesday. 00:03:28.050 --> 00:03:30.590 align:middle line:90% So I'm taking it easy. 00:03:30.590 --> 00:03:33.380 align:middle line:90% Hopefully the sound sounds OK. 00:03:33.380 --> 00:03:35.905 align:middle line:84% But yes, thank you for having me. 00:03:35.905 --> 00:03:37.280 align:middle line:84% I'm going to get right into this. 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:38.720 align:middle line:90% I'm going into this lecture. 00:03:38.720 --> 00:03:40.790 align:middle line:84% I don't know if it's going to be 30 minutes. 00:03:40.790 --> 00:03:41.570 align:middle line:90% I might go over. 00:03:41.570 --> 00:03:45.350 align:middle line:84% So I'll skip some slides as we go along. 00:03:45.350 --> 00:03:48.620 align:middle line:84% I always over prepare for a lot of things. 00:03:48.620 --> 00:03:50.060 align:middle line:90% So bear with me. 00:03:50.060 --> 00:03:51.170 align:middle line:90% Bear with me, please. 00:03:51.170 --> 00:03:52.840 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.750 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:03:55.750 --> 00:03:56.920 align:middle line:90% Zoom. 00:03:56.920 --> 00:03:59.560 align:middle line:90% You know, I really do love Zoom. 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.630 align:middle line:90% The platform's really cool. 00:04:01.630 --> 00:04:02.320 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:04:02.320 --> 00:04:07.360 align:middle line:84% I created this presentation about a month ago. 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.730 align:middle line:84% And I just added this slide this morning 00:04:09.730 --> 00:04:16.019 align:middle line:84% because today is a very important day 00:04:16.019 --> 00:04:18.450 align:middle line:84% in Vietnamese American history where April 30, 00:04:18.450 --> 00:04:20.610 align:middle line:90% 1975 was the fall of Saigon. 00:04:20.610 --> 00:04:25.860 align:middle line:84% And I follow this new wave documentary on social media. 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:28.980 align:middle line:84% And they just have a lot of pertinent information 00:04:28.980 --> 00:04:31.410 align:middle line:90% about Vietnamese Americans. 00:04:31.410 --> 00:04:34.150 align:middle line:84% Vietnamese that have been dispersed all over the nation. 00:04:34.150 --> 00:04:38.430 align:middle line:84% And I just wanted to share this slide with you. 00:04:38.430 --> 00:04:40.620 align:middle line:90% I'm thinking about how young-- 00:04:40.620 --> 00:04:44.730 align:middle line:84% like how young Vietnamese people are in America. 00:04:44.730 --> 00:04:48.300 align:middle line:84% We're about 46 years old in the United States. 00:04:48.300 --> 00:04:53.030 align:middle line:90% 00:04:53.030 --> 00:04:53.530 align:middle line:90% All right. 00:04:53.530 --> 00:04:58.360 align:middle line:84% So again, I created this slide, this PowerPoint, 00:04:58.360 --> 00:04:59.320 align:middle line:90% about a month ago. 00:04:59.320 --> 00:05:05.890 align:middle line:84% And I'm going to segue just directly into my most 00:05:05.890 --> 00:05:06.610 align:middle line:90% current works. 00:05:06.610 --> 00:05:13.410 align:middle line:84% And I made a few collages in response 00:05:13.410 --> 00:05:17.460 align:middle line:84% to the happenings or the shootings that happened 00:05:17.460 --> 00:05:20.580 align:middle line:90% in Atlanta with the spa. 00:05:20.580 --> 00:05:27.090 align:middle line:84% And I went on a stop Asian hate rally in West Hollywood. 00:05:27.090 --> 00:05:28.990 align:middle line:84% With the collage that I've created, 00:05:28.990 --> 00:05:32.490 align:middle line:84% which caused [INAUDIBLE] cause which picked up traction 00:05:32.490 --> 00:05:33.510 align:middle line:90% with the LA Times. 00:05:33.510 --> 00:05:37.530 align:middle line:84% So here is an image of myself and the signage 00:05:37.530 --> 00:05:42.300 align:middle line:84% that I've created with this current body of work 00:05:42.300 --> 00:05:46.322 align:middle line:90% entitled, Model Myth. 00:05:46.322 --> 00:05:50.480 align:middle line:90% 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:57.377 align:middle line:84% And I'm not the type of creative to work simultaneously 00:05:57.377 --> 00:05:59.210 align:middle line:84% with the news that's happening in the world. 00:05:59.210 --> 00:06:02.600 align:middle line:84% But I needed to kind of like dump that energy, and that 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:06.210 align:middle line:84% like sadness, and anger from my process before starting 00:06:06.210 --> 00:06:06.710 align:middle line:90% new work. 00:06:06.710 --> 00:06:10.040 align:middle line:84% So that's the way that I process information and energy. 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:14.700 align:middle line:90% 00:06:14.700 --> 00:06:17.820 align:middle line:84% It was also printed in the LA Times the following morning. 00:06:17.820 --> 00:06:22.650 align:middle line:90% 00:06:22.650 --> 00:06:25.200 align:middle line:84% So I'm going to get into, again, my most current works. 00:06:25.200 --> 00:06:28.140 align:middle line:84% And it's 3 collages entitled Model Myth. 00:06:28.140 --> 00:06:30.330 align:middle line:90% 2021. 00:06:30.330 --> 00:06:33.450 align:middle line:84% And I'm just going to read you this information. 00:06:33.450 --> 00:06:36.720 align:middle line:84% "A model minority is a minority demographic 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.300 align:middle line:84% whether based on ethnicity, race, or religion, whose 00:06:39.300 --> 00:06:41.760 align:middle line:84% members are perceived to achieve a higher 00:06:41.760 --> 00:06:45.660 align:middle line:84% degree of socioeconomic success than the population average. 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:48.030 align:middle line:84% Thus serving as a reference group to outgroups. 00:06:48.030 --> 00:06:50.370 align:middle line:84% This success is typically measured relatively 00:06:50.370 --> 00:06:53.190 align:middle line:84% by educational attainment, representation 00:06:53.190 --> 00:06:55.530 align:middle line:84% in managerial and professional occupations, 00:06:55.530 --> 00:06:59.580 align:middle line:84% and household income, along with other socioeconomic indicators 00:06:59.580 --> 00:07:04.560 align:middle line:84% such as low criminality and high family and marital stability." 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.250 align:middle line:84% This was the first collage that was created. 00:07:08.250 --> 00:07:13.740 align:middle line:84% I make notes to myself this was made on March 17, 2021. 00:07:13.740 --> 00:07:15.870 align:middle line:84% I leave myself so many notes because I 00:07:15.870 --> 00:07:17.370 align:middle line:90% forget so many things. 00:07:17.370 --> 00:07:20.040 align:middle line:84% But this is entitled Vincent Chin. 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:21.930 align:middle line:84% And this collage is about Vincent Chin, 00:07:21.930 --> 00:07:25.530 align:middle line:84% a Chinese-American man, on June 19, 1982 00:07:25.530 --> 00:07:27.880 align:middle line:84% with beaten to death with a baseball bat in Detroit, 00:07:27.880 --> 00:07:30.900 align:middle line:84% Michigan by two white men frustrated with the US auto 00:07:30.900 --> 00:07:32.360 align:middle line:90% industry's troubles. 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:34.980 align:middle line:84% The two were sentenced to three years probation, 00:07:34.980 --> 00:07:37.530 align:middle line:84% and ordered to pay a $3,000 fine. 00:07:37.530 --> 00:07:39.840 align:middle line:84% Two civil right trials and a civil suit followed. 00:07:39.840 --> 00:07:42.630 align:middle line:90% But neither spent a day in jail. 00:07:42.630 --> 00:07:44.880 align:middle line:84% The Vincent Chin case serves as a wake up 00:07:44.880 --> 00:07:48.450 align:middle line:84% call to address anti-Asian bias and racial tolerance. 00:07:48.450 --> 00:07:50.520 align:middle line:84% As I was walking through the rally, 00:07:50.520 --> 00:07:53.570 align:middle line:84% there was this older gentleman on the sidewalk. 00:07:53.570 --> 00:07:55.910 align:middle line:84% He yells out, who is Vincent Chin? 00:07:55.910 --> 00:07:57.020 align:middle line:90% Right. 00:07:57.020 --> 00:07:59.270 align:middle line:90% And I think, oh, yes. 00:07:59.270 --> 00:08:00.437 align:middle line:90% Remember those exact words. 00:08:00.437 --> 00:08:03.020 align:middle line:84% And when you get home, Google it because there's a documentary 00:08:03.020 --> 00:08:04.799 align:middle line:90% entitled, Who's Vincent Chin. 00:08:04.799 --> 00:08:09.020 align:middle line:90% 00:08:09.020 --> 00:08:10.670 align:middle line:90% Save. 00:08:10.670 --> 00:08:13.340 align:middle line:84% Model myth, this is a socket collage entitled 00:08:13.340 --> 00:08:16.220 align:middle line:84% "Stockton Schoolyard Shooting 2021." 00:08:16.220 --> 00:08:18.980 align:middle line:84% January 1989, among the facilities 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:23.930 align:middle line:84% were Rathanar Or, age nine, Ram Chun, age eight, Sokhim An, 00:08:23.930 --> 00:08:28.595 align:middle line:84% age six, Oeun Lim, age 8, and Thuy Tran, age six. 00:08:28.595 --> 00:08:30.470 align:middle line:84% They were Cambodian and Vietnamese immigrants 00:08:30.470 --> 00:08:33.289 align:middle line:84% who came with their families to the US as refugees. 00:08:33.289 --> 00:08:35.539 align:middle line:84% The gunman, who had an extended criminal history, 00:08:35.539 --> 00:08:40.370 align:middle line:84% shot and killed 5 school children and wounded 32 others. 00:08:40.370 --> 00:08:43.640 align:middle line:84% His victims were predominantly Southeast Asian refugees. 00:08:43.640 --> 00:08:45.950 align:middle line:84% The attack was a US non-college school 00:08:45.950 --> 00:08:49.100 align:middle line:84% shooting with the highest number of fatalities and injuries 00:08:49.100 --> 00:08:51.410 align:middle line:84% until the Columbine High School massacre. 00:08:51.410 --> 00:08:53.480 align:middle line:84% Of all US school shootings in the '80s, 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:56.590 align:middle line:84% it had the largest number of victims. 00:08:56.590 --> 00:08:59.830 align:middle line:84% So these are all appropriated images from the web 00:08:59.830 --> 00:09:02.711 align:middle line:84% that I've deconstructed and reconstructed. 00:09:02.711 --> 00:09:07.040 align:middle line:90% 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:08.240 align:middle line:90% I'm going to segue. 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.700 align:middle line:84% So I'm just going to show you a few pieces 00:09:10.700 --> 00:09:11.890 align:middle line:90% from my current works. 00:09:11.890 --> 00:09:14.540 align:middle line:84% This is a body of work entitled, Loanwords. 00:09:14.540 --> 00:09:15.290 align:middle line:90% Loanwords. 00:09:15.290 --> 00:09:17.930 align:middle line:90% 00:09:17.930 --> 00:09:20.840 align:middle line:84% The adaptation of French loanwords in Vietnamese. 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.060 align:middle line:84% Due to the influence of France while Vietnam 00:09:23.060 --> 00:09:25.580 align:middle line:84% was a French colony, many French words 00:09:25.580 --> 00:09:27.290 align:middle line:84% have been adopted by the Vietnamese. 00:09:27.290 --> 00:09:31.741 align:middle line:90% 00:09:31.741 --> 00:09:35.680 align:middle line:84% I realize that I am a research type 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:42.250 align:middle line:84% of person where when an idea comes, I immediately go 00:09:42.250 --> 00:09:45.760 align:middle line:84% and research that idea before it just like leaves my mind. 00:09:45.760 --> 00:09:50.530 align:middle line:84% And most of my works are like information based, 00:09:50.530 --> 00:09:52.420 align:middle line:90% and then the collage comes. 00:09:52.420 --> 00:09:59.140 align:middle line:84% So this image is entitled Bom, Bombe, Bomb in Vietnamese 00:09:59.140 --> 00:10:01.760 align:middle line:90% French and English. 00:10:01.760 --> 00:10:05.240 align:middle line:84% And this here is note to self tight timeline of colonization 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:07.670 align:middle line:84% and war, and thinking about my parents. 00:10:07.670 --> 00:10:11.750 align:middle line:84% And I feel like the majority of my work 00:10:11.750 --> 00:10:14.210 align:middle line:84% is made through thinking about my mom, 00:10:14.210 --> 00:10:17.090 align:middle line:84% thinking about my parents, thinking about all 00:10:17.090 --> 00:10:20.090 align:middle line:84% of the Vietnamese refugee families that have been 00:10:20.090 --> 00:10:23.530 align:middle line:90% dispersed all over the nation. 00:10:23.530 --> 00:10:27.760 align:middle line:84% So the French occupied Vietnam from 1887 to 1954. 00:10:27.760 --> 00:10:31.930 align:middle line:84% Vietnam was a part of a French colony called French Indochina. 00:10:31.930 --> 00:10:36.250 align:middle line:84% The Vietnam US War started in '61 and ended in '75. 00:10:36.250 --> 00:10:40.330 align:middle line:84% My parents were born in Can Tho, Vietnam in 1950 where 00:10:40.330 --> 00:10:42.280 align:middle line:84% they spend their first four years of life 00:10:42.280 --> 00:10:44.140 align:middle line:90% under French rule. 00:10:44.140 --> 00:10:47.950 align:middle line:84% From 11 to 25 years old, my parents lived through the war. 00:10:47.950 --> 00:10:51.640 align:middle line:84% And at 29, they fled Vietnam with a three-year-old daughter. 00:10:51.640 --> 00:10:54.820 align:middle line:84% So that's my process on again making the work. 00:10:54.820 --> 00:10:58.430 align:middle line:84% Like envisioning myself through this journey. 00:10:58.430 --> 00:11:02.170 align:middle line:84% So this body of work, Loanwords, was created in 2015. 00:11:02.170 --> 00:11:06.150 align:middle line:84% But visually, then the work didn't make sense to me. 00:11:06.150 --> 00:11:11.180 align:middle line:84% So I went back into my archive to rework this body. 00:11:11.180 --> 00:11:15.580 align:middle line:90% 00:11:15.580 --> 00:11:18.640 align:middle line:90% This is entitled "Baton." 00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:20.830 align:middle line:90% So ba-toong, baton, baton. 00:11:20.830 --> 00:11:23.830 align:middle line:84% Again, Vietnamese, French, English. 00:11:23.830 --> 00:11:25.770 align:middle line:84% And when I go into my collages, I 00:11:25.770 --> 00:11:29.790 align:middle line:84% give myself really strict rules of, is it 00:11:29.790 --> 00:11:30.820 align:middle line:90% a two layered collage? 00:11:30.820 --> 00:11:32.490 align:middle line:90% Is it a three layered collage? 00:11:32.490 --> 00:11:34.020 align:middle line:90% Where does the text live? 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:40.000 align:middle line:84% And I feel like by giving myself those rules I don't trail off 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:43.580 align:middle line:84% into a segue that wouldn't make sense for me. 00:11:43.580 --> 00:11:48.570 align:middle line:84% Foreground image, tactical squad marching through park blocks 00:11:48.570 --> 00:11:52.130 align:middle line:90% during 1970 students strike. 00:11:52.130 --> 00:11:55.670 align:middle line:84% And this here is just the information on a baton, 00:11:55.670 --> 00:11:59.450 align:middle line:84% also known as a nightstick, and its history. 00:11:59.450 --> 00:12:02.030 align:middle line:84% But I'm going to read you this last paragraph here. 00:12:02.030 --> 00:12:05.300 align:middle line:84% "On May 4, 1970, members of the Ohio National Guard 00:12:05.300 --> 00:12:07.370 align:middle line:84% fired into a crowd of demonstrators 00:12:07.370 --> 00:12:09.080 align:middle line:90% at Kent State University. 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:12.300 align:middle line:84% Four people were killed, and another nine were wounded. 00:12:12.300 --> 00:12:15.620 align:middle line:84% The group was mostly students protesting the Vietnam War 00:12:15.620 --> 00:12:19.010 align:middle line:84% and America's intention to expand the conflict by sending 00:12:19.010 --> 00:12:20.650 align:middle line:90% troops into neutral Cambodia." 00:12:20.650 --> 00:12:27.060 align:middle line:90% 00:12:27.060 --> 00:12:30.740 align:middle line:84% This image is entitled Et-Xang Essence, Gasoline. 00:12:30.740 --> 00:12:33.710 align:middle line:90% 00:12:33.710 --> 00:12:37.980 align:middle line:84% Vietnamese, French, and English for the word gasoline. 00:12:37.980 --> 00:12:40.400 align:middle line:84% Quote, "No news picture in history 00:12:40.400 --> 00:12:43.470 align:middle line:84% has generated so much emotion around the world as that one." 00:12:43.470 --> 00:12:44.780 align:middle line:90% JFK. 00:12:44.780 --> 00:12:49.700 align:middle line:84% So this image here is a very famous image. 00:12:49.700 --> 00:12:51.800 align:middle line:90% This is Thich Quang Duc. 00:12:51.800 --> 00:12:54.800 align:middle line:84% He was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist monk 00:12:54.800 --> 00:12:58.370 align:middle line:84% who burned himself to death at a busy Saigon road intersection 00:12:58.370 --> 00:13:01.160 align:middle line:90% on the 11th of June '63. 00:13:01.160 --> 00:13:03.200 align:middle line:84% He was protesting the persecution of Buddhists 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.230 align:middle line:84% by the South Vietnamese Roman Catholic government. 00:13:06.230 --> 00:13:08.960 align:middle line:84% Duc is doused with gasoline while calmly sitting down 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.860 align:middle line:84% in the traditional Buddhist meditative lotus position. 00:13:12.860 --> 00:13:14.300 align:middle line:90% Photographed by Malcolm Brown. 00:13:14.300 --> 00:13:17.240 align:middle line:90% 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:22.595 align:middle line:84% So I feel like there are about five of these colleges so far. 00:13:22.595 --> 00:13:24.470 align:middle line:84% I needed to take a break from them because it 00:13:24.470 --> 00:13:27.090 align:middle line:90% was just overwhelming research. 00:13:27.090 --> 00:13:30.170 align:middle line:84% So a lot of my works are works in progress. 00:13:30.170 --> 00:13:31.932 align:middle line:90% But the ideas is fully there. 00:13:31.932 --> 00:13:32.765 align:middle line:90% It's fully finished. 00:13:32.765 --> 00:13:35.740 align:middle line:90% 00:13:35.740 --> 00:13:37.240 align:middle line:90% Skip that one. 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:39.220 align:middle line:84% I'm going to segue into this body of work 00:13:39.220 --> 00:13:44.400 align:middle line:84% that I created last summer in June entitled, Tear x 00:13:44.400 --> 00:13:47.870 align:middle line:90% Scape/Terrorscape. 00:13:47.870 --> 00:13:50.690 align:middle line:84% This touches on weapons of warfare used on the landscape 00:13:50.690 --> 00:13:51.620 align:middle line:90% globally. 00:13:51.620 --> 00:13:55.070 align:middle line:84% Tear gas was first used in World War I in chemical warfare. 00:13:55.070 --> 00:13:57.800 align:middle line:84% In 1925, the Geneva Convention categorized 00:13:57.800 --> 00:14:00.140 align:middle line:84% tear gas as a chemical warfare agent, 00:14:00.140 --> 00:14:02.270 align:middle line:84% and banned its use during wartime. 00:14:02.270 --> 00:14:06.480 align:middle line:84% But its use by police in the US is still legal. 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.030 align:middle line:84% And these are just the titles of each piece. 00:14:09.030 --> 00:14:13.540 align:middle line:84% And they're numbered by when they were finished. 00:14:13.540 --> 00:14:15.870 align:middle line:84% So this image on the left was the first 00:14:15.870 --> 00:14:19.890 align:middle line:84% from this body of work entitled, Jungle Orange Green. 00:14:19.890 --> 00:14:23.100 align:middle line:84% Image on the right is entitled Green Monster. 00:14:23.100 --> 00:14:24.990 align:middle line:90% And this is a two layered image. 00:14:24.990 --> 00:14:28.590 align:middle line:84% The background image is a straight photo. 00:14:28.590 --> 00:14:32.842 align:middle line:84% And the foreground image are appropriated images of tear gas 00:14:32.842 --> 00:14:33.675 align:middle line:90% that I found online. 00:14:33.675 --> 00:14:38.770 align:middle line:90% 00:14:38.770 --> 00:14:41.080 align:middle line:84% Today, tear gas is the most commonly used form 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:42.610 align:middle line:84% of what's known in law enforcement 00:14:42.610 --> 00:14:44.980 align:middle line:90% jargon as less lethal force. 00:14:44.980 --> 00:14:47.750 align:middle line:84% Journalists file news stories of tear gas deployment 00:14:47.750 --> 00:14:49.990 align:middle line:84% so regularly that pictures of smoke 00:14:49.990 --> 00:14:52.750 align:middle line:84% filled streets have come to feel like stock photography. 00:14:52.750 --> 00:14:55.840 align:middle line:84% A theatrical backdrop of protests. 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:57.100 align:middle line:90% Banyan Blue. 00:14:57.100 --> 00:14:58.599 align:middle line:90% Palm Orange. 00:14:58.599 --> 00:15:04.830 align:middle line:90% 00:15:04.830 --> 00:15:06.990 align:middle line:90% Image on the left, Purple Haze. 00:15:06.990 --> 00:15:09.090 align:middle line:90% Image on the right, White. 00:15:09.090 --> 00:15:18.500 align:middle line:84% So this body of work was actually a response to a video 00:15:18.500 --> 00:15:23.600 align:middle line:84% that I saw during the BLM uprisings in LA. 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:28.040 align:middle line:84% And it was this video from downtown LA 00:15:28.040 --> 00:15:32.330 align:middle line:90% where there were protesters. 00:15:32.330 --> 00:15:36.020 align:middle line:84% And they were kind of trapped against a fence. 00:15:36.020 --> 00:15:37.250 align:middle line:90% They had nowhere to go. 00:15:37.250 --> 00:15:40.815 align:middle line:84% But they were being horribly tear gassed. 00:15:40.815 --> 00:15:42.690 align:middle line:84% There was just like so much smoke everywhere. 00:15:42.690 --> 00:15:44.460 align:middle line:84% They were being tear gassed by the police. 00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:47.850 align:middle line:90% And I wanted to-- 00:15:47.850 --> 00:15:49.960 align:middle line:84% I didn't want to envision that in a landscape. 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:53.160 align:middle line:84% But thinking about my practice where I do 00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:56.130 align:middle line:84% talk a lot about my Vietnamese-Americaness, 00:15:56.130 --> 00:15:58.830 align:middle line:84% what would that look like in a landscape? 00:15:58.830 --> 00:16:02.400 align:middle line:84% So thinking about those folks in downtown la 00:16:02.400 --> 00:16:05.430 align:middle line:84% being gassed in the city, and then thinking 00:16:05.430 --> 00:16:10.200 align:middle line:84% about the families that were gassed in their home provinces 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.200 align:middle line:84% and small towns in Vietnam, and this body of work 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:15.105 align:middle line:90% emerged from those concepts. 00:16:15.105 --> 00:16:20.520 align:middle line:90% 00:16:20.520 --> 00:16:23.020 align:middle line:90% Pho x Scape, 2020. 00:16:23.020 --> 00:16:23.860 align:middle line:90% Ongoing. 00:16:23.860 --> 00:16:26.740 align:middle line:84% All of my works are ongoing until I stop working on them. 00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:30.160 align:middle line:84% So this is a statement for Pho x Scape. 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:34.600 align:middle line:84% "San Diego, Boston, Berlin, Sydney, Hawaii, Paris, Ottawa. 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:37.150 align:middle line:84% The Vietnamese diaspora has established communities 00:16:37.150 --> 00:16:39.190 align:middle line:90% in every corner of the world. 00:16:39.190 --> 00:16:41.620 align:middle line:84% Some live their new lives as though they were still there. 00:16:41.620 --> 00:16:44.620 align:middle line:84% Others preserve more of a distance to their lives 00:16:44.620 --> 00:16:46.000 align:middle line:90% before exile. 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.070 align:middle line:84% The reopening of the country, Vietnam, 00:16:48.070 --> 00:16:51.280 align:middle line:84% at the beginning of the '90s many of the Viet Kieu, 00:16:51.280 --> 00:16:54.100 align:middle line:84% as the people who left are called in their home country, 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:57.070 align:middle line:90% have made the return journey. 00:16:57.070 --> 00:17:00.010 align:middle line:84% However, many still shrink back from returning. 00:17:00.010 --> 00:17:02.020 align:middle line:84% From the confrontation between their memories 00:17:02.020 --> 00:17:03.593 align:middle line:90% and the reality of the country. 00:17:03.593 --> 00:17:05.260 align:middle line:84% From the return of seeing their memories 00:17:05.260 --> 00:17:07.599 align:middle line:84% contradicted at every street corner. 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:12.660 align:middle line:84% Or of reawakening other memories carefully buried." 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:18.800 align:middle line:84% So this body of work was actually sponsored by Nikon. 00:17:18.800 --> 00:17:22.940 align:middle line:90% Like I don't get sponsored ever. 00:17:22.940 --> 00:17:28.050 align:middle line:84% But there is a branding company in LA, they saw me work, 00:17:28.050 --> 00:17:29.060 align:middle line:90% they reached out. 00:17:29.060 --> 00:17:31.160 align:middle line:90% And they wanted to like-- 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.410 align:middle line:90% Nikon had this Z Creators. 00:17:33.410 --> 00:17:36.710 align:middle line:84% And they wanted to rebrand Nikon. 00:17:36.710 --> 00:17:37.670 align:middle line:90% I made sure. 00:17:37.670 --> 00:17:41.180 align:middle line:84% I sent an email back, are you sure this is the type of work 00:17:41.180 --> 00:17:42.860 align:middle line:90% that Nikon is looking for? 00:17:42.860 --> 00:17:45.260 align:middle line:84% Because I don't only shoot straight photos. 00:17:45.260 --> 00:17:47.150 align:middle line:90% I make collages. 00:17:47.150 --> 00:17:48.710 align:middle line:90% So yeah, they are like, yes. 00:17:48.710 --> 00:17:51.260 align:middle line:90% We are looking for new voices. 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:53.030 align:middle line:90% We are looking for new folks. 00:17:53.030 --> 00:17:53.930 align:middle line:90% Let's collaborate. 00:17:53.930 --> 00:17:56.120 align:middle line:90% So I got a stipend. 00:17:56.120 --> 00:17:57.290 align:middle line:90% They sent me a camera. 00:17:57.290 --> 00:18:01.550 align:middle line:84% And I made this body of work, which is still 00:18:01.550 --> 00:18:04.140 align:middle line:90% in the realm of my voice. 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:06.290 align:middle line:84% But these images are non-appropriated. 00:18:06.290 --> 00:18:10.690 align:middle line:84% They are all shot through a Nikon Z. So imagery 00:18:10.690 --> 00:18:13.030 align:middle line:84% on the left, PHOXSCAPE Saigon Blue. 00:18:13.030 --> 00:18:15.980 align:middle line:84% Image on the right, PHOXSCAPE Cafe Plus Purple. 00:18:15.980 --> 00:18:19.510 align:middle line:84% So this is a two layered collage. 00:18:19.510 --> 00:18:22.660 align:middle line:84% And these images of the Pho storefronts 00:18:22.660 --> 00:18:25.630 align:middle line:84% were all photographed here in Koreatown, Los Angeles. 00:18:25.630 --> 00:18:31.120 align:middle line:84% And also Westminster, which has a huge Vietnamese population. 00:18:31.120 --> 00:18:36.010 align:middle line:84% But this body of work is ongoing because I feel like once-- 00:18:36.010 --> 00:18:37.530 align:middle line:90% excuse me. 00:18:37.530 --> 00:18:41.100 align:middle line:84% Once the world opens back up, I plan 00:18:41.100 --> 00:18:43.950 align:middle line:84% to travel to like Little Saigons or Little 00:18:43.950 --> 00:18:46.240 align:middle line:90% Hanois throughout the world. 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:52.100 align:middle line:84% I did a Google image map search in the Czech Republic. 00:18:52.100 --> 00:18:55.790 align:middle line:84% And there is a Little Hanoi Plaza 00:18:55.790 --> 00:18:58.770 align:middle line:84% in a small city within the Czech Republic. 00:18:58.770 --> 00:19:01.370 align:middle line:84% So I feel like, again, this body of work 00:19:01.370 --> 00:19:05.980 align:middle line:84% is ongoing because we are everywhere. 00:19:05.980 --> 00:19:08.620 align:middle line:84% So as a child of refugee immigrants, 00:19:08.620 --> 00:19:12.190 align:middle line:84% our livelihood was built upon Pho shops and restaurants. 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:13.540 align:middle line:90% A meld of my upbringing. 00:19:13.540 --> 00:19:15.970 align:middle line:84% Food, culture, land, and environment. 00:19:15.970 --> 00:19:18.130 align:middle line:84% I have fond memories of many birthday parties 00:19:18.130 --> 00:19:20.890 align:middle line:84% at my parent's pho restaurant as a kid in San Diego. 00:19:20.890 --> 00:19:23.770 align:middle line:84% This stacked scape flattens moments and environments 00:19:23.770 --> 00:19:25.844 align:middle line:90% into a reimagined landscape. 00:19:25.844 --> 00:19:29.800 align:middle line:90% 00:19:29.800 --> 00:19:32.320 align:middle line:84% And this body of where it came from-- 00:19:32.320 --> 00:19:39.940 align:middle line:84% I think it was a late night thought of how did pho happen? 00:19:39.940 --> 00:19:43.630 align:middle line:84% Who was the originator of this broth? 00:19:43.630 --> 00:19:47.890 align:middle line:84% And then I visioned this person in a hut in the jungle 00:19:47.890 --> 00:19:50.440 align:middle line:84% just kind of like throwing together these ingredients 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:51.670 align:middle line:90% and boiling water. 00:19:51.670 --> 00:19:56.180 align:middle line:84% And pho magically became a thing. 00:19:56.180 --> 00:20:00.520 align:middle line:84% So again, this is me envisioning those moments. 00:20:00.520 --> 00:20:03.510 align:middle line:84% Building that bridge between the past and the present. 00:20:03.510 --> 00:20:14.320 align:middle line:90% 00:20:14.320 --> 00:20:15.040 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:16.530 align:middle line:90% We're going to move on. 00:20:16.530 --> 00:20:21.760 align:middle line:84% Move on to a lot of candid family images. 00:20:21.760 --> 00:20:22.970 align:middle line:90% So this is going to be cute. 00:20:22.970 --> 00:20:23.470 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:20:23.470 --> 00:20:26.020 align:middle line:90% 00:20:26.020 --> 00:20:26.680 align:middle line:90% Influence. 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:28.300 align:middle line:90% Influence. 00:20:28.300 --> 00:20:32.080 align:middle line:84% I always get this question of, how do you make the work? 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:32.740 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:20:32.740 --> 00:20:34.180 align:middle line:90% It just comes. 00:20:34.180 --> 00:20:34.960 align:middle line:90% It just comes. 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:36.100 align:middle line:90% And I just run with it. 00:20:36.100 --> 00:20:43.690 align:middle line:84% So Influence: My Family Archives from San Diego to Vietnam. 00:20:43.690 --> 00:20:46.510 align:middle line:84% And I have this image on my fridge now. 00:20:46.510 --> 00:20:51.130 align:middle line:84% And I always think that it's such a funny image. 00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:55.720 align:middle line:84% And to me, it was funny then eating these banh mi's, 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:58.720 align:middle line:84% which is a Vietnamese sandwich, on the beach in San Diego is 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:02.110 align:middle line:84% because I always felt like I wanted more 00:21:02.110 --> 00:21:05.950 align:middle line:84% Americanized things like nachos, or hot dogs, or things 00:21:05.950 --> 00:21:06.460 align:middle line:90% like that. 00:21:06.460 --> 00:21:10.030 align:middle line:84% But I didn't realize what I was missing until I went back 00:21:10.030 --> 00:21:13.540 align:middle line:84% into the archive to take a look at my childhood 00:21:13.540 --> 00:21:17.740 align:middle line:84% where my parents were doing their best, 00:21:17.740 --> 00:21:22.690 align:middle line:84% and trying to figure out how to raise Vietnamese American kids 00:21:22.690 --> 00:21:25.020 align:middle line:90% in America. 00:21:25.020 --> 00:21:28.250 align:middle line:90% So this image here is-- 00:21:28.250 --> 00:21:29.870 align:middle line:90% this is my younger brother. 00:21:29.870 --> 00:21:32.540 align:middle line:84% This is myself here with the red barrettes. 00:21:32.540 --> 00:21:33.680 align:middle line:90% My older sister. 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:35.060 align:middle line:90% And this is our family friend. 00:21:35.060 --> 00:21:38.150 align:middle line:90% 00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:43.190 align:middle line:90% Mission Beach, San Diego, 1987. 00:21:43.190 --> 00:21:45.200 align:middle line:84% My parents also owned a pho restaurant 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:47.480 align:middle line:84% in the mid '80s early '90s in San Diego 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:50.780 align:middle line:84% where there was a large Vietnamese community. 00:21:50.780 --> 00:21:54.020 align:middle line:84% A lot of partying, drinking, laughing just 00:21:54.020 --> 00:21:56.610 align:middle line:90% like coming together. 00:21:56.610 --> 00:21:57.990 align:middle line:90% A lot of beer. 00:21:57.990 --> 00:22:02.350 align:middle line:84% A lot of Budweiser, Sunkist, roasted pig. 00:22:02.350 --> 00:22:06.340 align:middle line:84% This is myself here in the foreground circa 1984. 00:22:06.340 --> 00:22:08.850 align:middle line:84% This person here with this striped top is my mom. 00:22:08.850 --> 00:22:13.802 align:middle line:90% 00:22:13.802 --> 00:22:17.320 align:middle line:84% I grew up in a city called City Heights, also known 00:22:17.320 --> 00:22:19.570 align:middle line:90% as East San Diego. 00:22:19.570 --> 00:22:21.730 align:middle line:84% And I didn't realize, again, that it 00:22:21.730 --> 00:22:24.140 align:middle line:84% was ranked number four in the nation of having 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:28.930 align:middle line:84% the most Vietnamese Americans in the United States. 00:22:28.930 --> 00:22:32.170 align:middle line:84% So this image on the left is an image of my dad. 00:22:32.170 --> 00:22:36.490 align:middle line:84% And this is in front of an Asian cinema in City Heights. 00:22:36.490 --> 00:22:39.820 align:middle line:84% And this was an image of my dad's pho restaurant 00:22:39.820 --> 00:22:47.420 align:middle line:90% grand opening March 4, 1988. 00:22:47.420 --> 00:22:49.580 align:middle line:84% Family Portrait San Diego to Vietnam. 00:22:49.580 --> 00:22:52.610 align:middle line:84% Just making note on the similarities and differences 00:22:52.610 --> 00:22:54.560 align:middle line:84% within environments, and questioning 00:22:54.560 --> 00:22:56.930 align:middle line:90% everything as an adult now. 00:22:56.930 --> 00:23:01.100 align:middle line:84% Trying to figure out how we landed in the states, 00:23:01.100 --> 00:23:05.370 align:middle line:84% and why I am here now making this work. 00:23:05.370 --> 00:23:08.330 align:middle line:84% So this is a portrait of my family here on the left. 00:23:08.330 --> 00:23:10.890 align:middle line:90% San Diego State, 1982. 00:23:10.890 --> 00:23:17.330 align:middle line:84% This is an image of my uncle, my mom's younger brother, 00:23:17.330 --> 00:23:20.990 align:middle line:90% and his family same time frame. 00:23:20.990 --> 00:23:21.740 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:24.683 align:middle line:84% So this is myself here being held as a baby. 00:23:24.683 --> 00:23:26.600 align:middle line:84% And this is my cousin, and we're the same age, 00:23:26.600 --> 00:23:29.180 align:middle line:90% but the image is completely-- 00:23:29.180 --> 00:23:32.720 align:middle line:84% to me, it just feels so detached. 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:35.870 align:middle line:84% I didn't understand all of this foliage. 00:23:35.870 --> 00:23:38.060 align:middle line:90% It didn't make sense to me. 00:23:38.060 --> 00:23:40.940 align:middle line:84% The clothes didn't make sense to me. 00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:44.120 align:middle line:84% There was like a lot of photos of my extended family Vietnam 00:23:44.120 --> 00:23:44.690 align:middle line:90% barefoot. 00:23:44.690 --> 00:23:47.840 align:middle line:84% And I just thought that it was such a vintage old image. 00:23:47.840 --> 00:23:49.685 align:middle line:84% But it was around the same time period. 00:23:49.685 --> 00:24:02.670 align:middle line:90% 00:24:02.670 --> 00:24:07.640 align:middle line:84% So far for this lecture, I never knew 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:12.380 align:middle line:84% how to describe this word which is nhau, nhau. 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:15.050 align:middle line:84% What is Vietnamese drinking and eating with friends and family 00:24:15.050 --> 00:24:15.950 align:middle line:90% called? 00:24:15.950 --> 00:24:19.650 align:middle line:84% And I just always remember this word because as a kid, 00:24:19.650 --> 00:24:22.010 align:middle line:84% my dad would say, oh, our friends are 00:24:22.010 --> 00:24:23.360 align:middle line:90% going to come over to nhau. 00:24:23.360 --> 00:24:25.700 align:middle line:84% And I had no idea what that meant. 00:24:25.700 --> 00:24:29.750 align:middle line:84% Even when I would visit Vietnam, my family members we like 00:24:29.750 --> 00:24:30.590 align:middle line:90% gather. 00:24:30.590 --> 00:24:32.240 align:middle line:90% It's a huge family. 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:33.470 align:middle line:90% Everyone cooks. 00:24:33.470 --> 00:24:35.900 align:middle line:90% There's a lot of beer drinking. 00:24:35.900 --> 00:24:40.250 align:middle line:84% So now I can kind of share this information with you all. 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:42.620 align:middle line:84% Again, image on the left, San Diego. 00:24:42.620 --> 00:24:44.555 align:middle line:84% Image on the right, my uncles in Vietnam. 00:24:44.555 --> 00:24:56.630 align:middle line:90% 00:24:56.630 --> 00:25:00.830 align:middle line:84% So my mom was a seamstress most of my life. 00:25:00.830 --> 00:25:03.710 align:middle line:84% And a lot of our clothes were sewn. 00:25:03.710 --> 00:25:06.050 align:middle line:90% Like hand sewn by my mom. 00:25:06.050 --> 00:25:09.740 align:middle line:84% Bottom left image is a candid of my sister and myself. 00:25:09.740 --> 00:25:12.510 align:middle line:84% And we had a lot of matching outfits. 00:25:12.510 --> 00:25:14.000 align:middle line:90% And I used to be so embarrassed. 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.590 align:middle line:90% But it made sense. 00:25:15.590 --> 00:25:16.490 align:middle line:90% It was cheap. 00:25:16.490 --> 00:25:17.930 align:middle line:90% We needed to save money. 00:25:17.930 --> 00:25:20.323 align:middle line:84% And now like looking back on it, I would wear that. 00:25:20.323 --> 00:25:21.740 align:middle line:84% That looks like great lounge wear. 00:25:21.740 --> 00:25:22.823 align:middle line:90% I would wear that at home. 00:25:22.823 --> 00:25:23.780 align:middle line:90% It looks cozy. 00:25:23.780 --> 00:25:25.500 align:middle line:90% It's probably cotton. 00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:26.970 align:middle line:90% It's good for your skin. 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:32.780 align:middle line:84% But I think as a kid, you just like so embarrassed. 00:25:32.780 --> 00:25:34.735 align:middle line:84% I wasn't embarrassed of my culture. 00:25:34.735 --> 00:25:35.360 align:middle line:90% It wasn't that. 00:25:35.360 --> 00:25:38.730 align:middle line:84% It's just I didn't know what my culture was. 00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:42.960 align:middle line:84% Image on the right, in every home we lived in San Diego 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:45.810 align:middle line:84% my dad would hang this flag, which 00:25:45.810 --> 00:25:47.520 align:middle line:90% is a South Vietnamese flag. 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:50.998 align:middle line:84% South Vietnamese freedom flag for all 00:25:50.998 --> 00:25:52.290 align:middle line:90% of the South Vietnamese people. 00:25:52.290 --> 00:25:53.790 align:middle line:84% And I didn't realize what that was 00:25:53.790 --> 00:25:56.970 align:middle line:84% until I went back into the archives to do that research, 00:25:56.970 --> 00:25:59.760 align:middle line:84% and kind of like teach myself that information. 00:25:59.760 --> 00:26:08.020 align:middle line:90% 00:26:08.020 --> 00:26:09.840 align:middle line:90% So this is how the work happens. 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:15.820 align:middle line:84% I sit, I look through images, I ask a lot of questions. 00:26:15.820 --> 00:26:17.160 align:middle line:90% I talk to my parents. 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.870 align:middle line:90% I ask them about their journey. 00:26:18.870 --> 00:26:20.330 align:middle line:90% What it was like back home. 00:26:20.330 --> 00:26:23.280 align:middle line:90% 00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:24.840 align:middle line:90% Portrait of my dad. 00:26:24.840 --> 00:26:26.400 align:middle line:90% Portrait of my grandfathers. 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:30.570 align:middle line:90% 00:26:30.570 --> 00:26:33.510 align:middle line:84% Image on the left, mom posing in front yard in front 00:26:33.510 --> 00:26:34.950 align:middle line:90% of structures. 00:26:34.950 --> 00:26:36.990 align:middle line:84% This is my mom's mom here on the right. 00:26:36.990 --> 00:26:42.890 align:middle line:90% 00:26:42.890 --> 00:26:46.900 align:middle line:84% Image of my mom on the left in San Diego. 00:26:46.900 --> 00:26:50.480 align:middle line:84% Also living in a lot of apartments in San Diego, 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.010 align:middle line:84% my dad would build all of these like structures 00:26:54.010 --> 00:26:56.180 align:middle line:90% to grow vegetables. 00:26:56.180 --> 00:26:57.880 align:middle line:90% And it would just grow. 00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.400 align:middle line:84% So I feel like a lot of Vietnamese people 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.555 align:middle line:84% have that like green thumb to just grow anything anywhere. 00:27:03.555 --> 00:27:13.960 align:middle line:90% 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.510 align:middle line:84% Again, a lot of just researching, 00:27:16.510 --> 00:27:17.950 align:middle line:90% and a lot of looking. 00:27:17.950 --> 00:27:23.455 align:middle line:84% A lot of looking at portraits, candids, foliage. 00:27:23.455 --> 00:27:32.680 align:middle line:90% 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.530 align:middle line:84% So my dad was a portrait photographer in Saigon 00:27:35.530 --> 00:27:37.600 align:middle line:90% before the fall. 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:40.360 align:middle line:84% And when the fall happened, the Viet Cong 00:27:40.360 --> 00:27:41.920 align:middle line:90% took over his portrait studio. 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.070 align:middle line:84% And then naturally my parents fled on boat. 00:27:48.070 --> 00:27:52.670 align:middle line:84% I think they fled to Malaysia, to Canada, to California. 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:57.233 align:middle line:84% So when we settled in San Diego, my dad 00:27:57.233 --> 00:27:58.275 align:middle line:90% still picked up a camera. 00:27:58.275 --> 00:28:00.990 align:middle line:90% 00:28:00.990 --> 00:28:04.720 align:middle line:84% That's why we have so many candids of my childhood, which 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:06.370 align:middle line:84% is really fortunate because there 00:28:06.370 --> 00:28:10.090 align:middle line:84% are a lot of other Vietnamese American people my age 00:28:10.090 --> 00:28:12.340 align:middle line:84% that don't have the luxuries of looking back 00:28:12.340 --> 00:28:15.350 align:middle line:90% into their archives. 00:28:15.350 --> 00:28:19.580 align:middle line:84% So in terms of also influence, yes, the candid images 00:28:19.580 --> 00:28:22.550 align:middle line:84% really influence and like sparked curiosity. 00:28:22.550 --> 00:28:24.200 align:middle line:84% But I think this is like the number one 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:28.340 align:middle line:84% image that sparked curiosity for me was this single image here. 00:28:28.340 --> 00:28:31.730 align:middle line:84% Actually, I have this framed in my home. 00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:35.430 align:middle line:84% And this image is of my mom and my older sister. 00:28:35.430 --> 00:28:38.330 align:middle line:84% And this is an image of them at a refugee 00:28:38.330 --> 00:28:41.180 align:middle line:90% camp in Malaysia in 1978. 00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:45.830 align:middle line:84% And on the back of this image it reads, "In Malaysia." 00:28:45.830 --> 00:28:49.370 align:middle line:84% So from there, I assume that this was a portrait of, again, 00:28:49.370 --> 00:28:51.630 align:middle line:90% my sister, my mom in Malaysia. 00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:57.200 align:middle line:84% And I would go back and ask my parents about their journey. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.120 align:middle line:84% And then from there, I would reconstruct a visual narrative 00:29:02.120 --> 00:29:08.720 align:middle line:84% on how to tell this oral story that my parents have given me. 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.620 align:middle line:90% Yeah it's a lot. 00:29:09.620 --> 00:29:12.230 align:middle line:90% I do have a lot of research. 00:29:12.230 --> 00:29:14.470 align:middle line:84% You just learned so much about yourself. 00:29:14.470 --> 00:29:18.968 align:middle line:84% So here is a postcard that is addressed to my dad. 00:29:18.968 --> 00:29:20.510 align:middle line:84% And this was when they were sponsored 00:29:20.510 --> 00:29:23.220 align:middle line:84% by a church in White Rock, Canada. 00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:27.050 align:middle line:84% And this is dated February 26, 1980. 00:29:27.050 --> 00:29:30.020 align:middle line:90% It reads, "Dear, everyone. 00:29:30.020 --> 00:29:34.090 align:middle line:84% Greetings from Barbados where it's warm and sunny 85 degrees. 00:29:34.090 --> 00:29:37.090 align:middle line:84% I swim in the sea every day, and really enjoying. 00:29:37.090 --> 00:29:40.670 align:middle line:84% Will be back in White Rock around 8th of March. 00:29:40.670 --> 00:29:42.880 align:middle line:84% Hope all is well with you, and that you are keeping 00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:44.800 align:middle line:90% well and learning English fast. 00:29:44.800 --> 00:29:45.700 align:middle line:90% Susie. 00:29:45.700 --> 00:29:49.385 align:middle line:84% So Susie was my parent's host person. 00:29:49.385 --> 00:29:53.230 align:middle line:90% 00:29:53.230 --> 00:29:56.710 align:middle line:84% Before the pandemic, I went to Vancouver for the first time. 00:29:56.710 --> 00:29:59.890 align:middle line:84% And Vancouver is about an hour from White Rock. 00:29:59.890 --> 00:30:02.680 align:middle line:90% And I Googled the image. 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.930 align:middle line:90% I went to go look at the house. 00:30:04.930 --> 00:30:06.550 align:middle line:90% I drove in front of the house. 00:30:06.550 --> 00:30:08.200 align:middle line:84% And I just sat there for a second. 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:09.880 align:middle line:90% But it was just way too dark. 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:13.780 align:middle line:84% Way too late for a stranger to knock on a stranger's door. 00:30:13.780 --> 00:30:15.730 align:middle line:84% So I'll leave that to another time. 00:30:15.730 --> 00:30:18.283 align:middle line:84% It would just be another body of work. 00:30:18.283 --> 00:30:19.700 align:middle line:84% But again, I think this is just so 00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:22.940 align:middle line:90% important in terms of research. 00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:26.210 align:middle line:84% We would get a lot of mail with this like specific envelopes. 00:30:26.210 --> 00:30:29.450 align:middle line:84% And I thought every person in America had these envelopes. 00:30:29.450 --> 00:30:32.690 align:middle line:84% But it was just really specific to families 00:30:32.690 --> 00:30:34.440 align:middle line:90% that had families overseas. 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:36.500 align:middle line:90% I didn't realize that as a kid. 00:30:36.500 --> 00:30:39.340 align:middle line:90% 00:30:39.340 --> 00:30:39.840 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:30:39.840 --> 00:30:42.840 align:middle line:90% How many slides do I have left? 00:30:42.840 --> 00:30:44.160 align:middle line:90% 55 slides. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.030 align:middle line:90% 15 more slides. 00:30:47.030 --> 00:30:48.590 align:middle line:90% A portrait of my father. 00:30:48.590 --> 00:30:49.580 align:middle line:90% A portrait of my mom. 00:30:49.580 --> 00:30:53.740 align:middle line:90% 00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:57.430 align:middle line:84% This is a body of work inside of Portrait Bomb. 00:30:57.430 --> 00:30:59.410 align:middle line:90% Image on the left Mother Lotus. 00:30:59.410 --> 00:31:02.080 align:middle line:84% Image on the right, Father Chrysanthemum. 00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:04.780 align:middle line:90% 00:31:04.780 --> 00:31:08.770 align:middle line:84% So there's a huge collaboration with the archive, my dad's 00:31:08.770 --> 00:31:09.340 align:middle line:90% archive. 00:31:09.340 --> 00:31:12.610 align:middle line:84% And kind of like repurposing those images. 00:31:12.610 --> 00:31:16.140 align:middle line:90% 00:31:16.140 --> 00:31:19.650 align:middle line:84% This one's entitled Agent Bomb on the left. 00:31:19.650 --> 00:31:22.050 align:middle line:84% Image on the right is the original portrait of my mom. 00:31:22.050 --> 00:31:28.830 align:middle line:90% 00:31:28.830 --> 00:31:30.720 align:middle line:84% So the image that was appropriated 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:36.000 align:middle line:84% is Four Ranch Hand C-123 Aircraft Spraying Liquid Agent 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.275 align:middle line:84% Orange Defoliant in South Vietnam. 00:31:38.275 --> 00:31:41.600 align:middle line:90% 00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:42.770 align:middle line:90% Portrait Bomb. 00:31:42.770 --> 00:31:43.996 align:middle line:90% Field Bomb. 00:31:43.996 --> 00:31:47.470 align:middle line:90% 00:31:47.470 --> 00:31:50.350 align:middle line:84% There's this body of work entitled, World Wars, which 00:31:50.350 --> 00:31:54.970 align:middle line:90% I created in 2019-20. 00:31:54.970 --> 00:31:57.820 align:middle line:84% And it is documentations of families, soldiers, 00:31:57.820 --> 00:32:00.310 align:middle line:84% and individuals in Vietnam during the War 00:32:00.310 --> 00:32:03.640 align:middle line:84% with family photographs of my own mother and siblings. 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:05.860 align:middle line:84% The cumulative effect of this imagery 00:32:05.860 --> 00:32:08.020 align:middle line:84% evokes the importance of personal and collective 00:32:08.020 --> 00:32:09.310 align:middle line:90% remembrance. 00:32:09.310 --> 00:32:12.640 align:middle line:84% By digitally rebuilding temporal and historical disruptions, 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.150 align:middle line:84% I comment on the idea of home displacement separation 00:32:16.150 --> 00:32:18.580 align:middle line:84% and how we embrace and conquer loss. 00:32:18.580 --> 00:32:21.160 align:middle line:84% Tragic and poetic composites unravel narratives, 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.650 align:middle line:84% and place my Vietnamese American perspective 00:32:23.650 --> 00:32:25.720 align:middle line:90% into a contemporary landscape. 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.530 align:middle line:84% This image here is personally entitled, World War Mothers. 00:32:29.530 --> 00:32:31.210 align:middle line:84% Background image, a single mother 00:32:31.210 --> 00:32:33.340 align:middle line:84% with her three children in between boat rescue. 00:32:33.340 --> 00:32:38.140 align:middle line:90% 00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:41.140 align:middle line:84% This one is entitled, World War Apartment. 00:32:41.140 --> 00:32:44.110 align:middle line:84% Mom and daughters after being rescued from a Naval ship. 00:32:44.110 --> 00:32:50.560 align:middle line:90% 00:32:50.560 --> 00:32:52.270 align:middle line:90% World War Backyard. 00:32:52.270 --> 00:32:55.210 align:middle line:84% US military and fields of color coded pink smoke. 00:32:55.210 --> 00:33:01.570 align:middle line:90% 00:33:01.570 --> 00:33:03.190 align:middle line:90% World War Beach. 00:33:03.190 --> 00:33:06.670 align:middle line:84% Top image, Vietnamese family hiding from gunfire. 00:33:06.670 --> 00:33:09.325 align:middle line:84% Bottom image, military coming upon shore with weapons. 00:33:09.325 --> 00:33:13.378 align:middle line:90% 00:33:13.378 --> 00:33:15.420 align:middle line:84% I think this is going to be the last body of work 00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:17.160 align:middle line:84% that I'm going to show or talk about. 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.780 align:middle line:90% 00:33:19.780 --> 00:33:22.300 align:middle line:84% So this body of work is entitled, 00:33:22.300 --> 00:33:23.900 align:middle line:90% Home: Faux Family Album. 00:33:23.900 --> 00:33:27.790 align:middle line:84% And I started this in 2011 while in grad school. 00:33:27.790 --> 00:33:31.900 align:middle line:84% But it did my advisors were not into this I was working 00:33:31.900 --> 00:33:35.185 align:middle line:90% on another body of work. 00:33:35.185 --> 00:33:37.090 align:middle line:84% I hit a wall with the other body of work. 00:33:37.090 --> 00:33:38.710 align:middle line:90% So I needed to take a break. 00:33:38.710 --> 00:33:40.330 align:middle line:84% I started on this new body of work 00:33:40.330 --> 00:33:44.650 align:middle line:84% just to dump some, process some of information. 00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:46.330 align:middle line:84% Yeah, it didn't sit well with them. 00:33:46.330 --> 00:33:47.980 align:middle line:90% I stopped working on the work. 00:33:47.980 --> 00:33:52.342 align:middle line:84% Then I picked up the work back in 2019. 00:33:52.342 --> 00:33:53.800 align:middle line:84% And this body of work [INAUDIBLE],, 00:33:53.800 --> 00:33:56.290 align:middle line:84% I created a series of faux family portraits. 00:33:56.290 --> 00:33:59.740 align:middle line:84% I scanned in old family photographs of my relatives 00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:02.800 align:middle line:84% in Vietnam, and paired them with images of family homes 00:34:02.800 --> 00:34:04.840 align:middle line:84% I photographed throughout Los Angeles. 00:34:04.840 --> 00:34:08.739 align:middle line:84% By doing this, I'm fabricating a substitute family photo album 00:34:08.739 --> 00:34:10.600 align:middle line:84% thinking of the many displaced families 00:34:10.600 --> 00:34:13.210 align:middle line:84% and individuals that have escaped in search of asylum. 00:34:13.210 --> 00:34:18.190 align:middle line:84% The language in my work touches on separation and bridges 00:34:18.190 --> 00:34:20.725 align:middle line:84% the question of what came before and what's to follow. 00:34:20.725 --> 00:34:24.260 align:middle line:90% 00:34:24.260 --> 00:34:27.889 align:middle line:84% So I don't share the original candids often. 00:34:27.889 --> 00:34:31.070 align:middle line:84% So image on the right is the original candid. 00:34:31.070 --> 00:34:33.770 align:middle line:84% And I love that like in every culture 00:34:33.770 --> 00:34:38.780 align:middle line:84% we have our family photos in front of the home, in the yard, 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:40.070 align:middle line:90% in front of a structure. 00:34:40.070 --> 00:34:45.540 align:middle line:90% 00:34:45.540 --> 00:34:48.104 align:middle line:84% This is my grandmother in the center with her sisters. 00:34:48.104 --> 00:34:59.350 align:middle line:90% 00:34:59.350 --> 00:35:02.345 align:middle line:84% These are my maternal grandparents. 00:35:02.345 --> 00:35:05.200 align:middle line:90% 00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:05.710 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:35:05.710 --> 00:35:06.730 align:middle line:90% So influence. 00:35:06.730 --> 00:35:09.670 align:middle line:90% Influence. 00:35:09.670 --> 00:35:11.680 align:middle line:84% I just wanted to share this stack of books 00:35:11.680 --> 00:35:15.670 align:middle line:90% as like my current influences. 00:35:15.670 --> 00:35:18.880 align:middle line:90% And I feel as an artist-- 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.100 align:middle line:84% when I was a new artist just like making work, 00:35:21.100 --> 00:35:24.550 align:middle line:90% I didn't realize that there-- 00:35:24.550 --> 00:35:26.110 align:middle line:84% it didn't feel like there were a lot 00:35:26.110 --> 00:35:28.780 align:middle line:84% of Vietnamese American artists making work. 00:35:28.780 --> 00:35:31.420 align:middle line:84% But now I see that there are more emerging. 00:35:31.420 --> 00:35:36.920 align:middle line:84% So here are a few artists, creatives, 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:38.840 align:middle line:90% that influence my work. 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.060 align:middle line:90% Thui Bui, graphic novelist. 00:35:41.060 --> 00:35:42.920 align:middle line:90% Ocean Vuong, writer. 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:44.990 align:middle line:90% Viet Thanh Nguyen, writer. 00:35:44.990 --> 00:35:48.410 align:middle line:84% Quyen Nguyen-Le, young Vietnamese filmmaker. 00:35:48.410 --> 00:35:50.930 align:middle line:84% And I came across this young Vietnamese French collage 00:35:50.930 --> 00:35:53.990 align:middle line:84% artist Prune Phi in social media. 00:35:53.990 --> 00:35:57.410 align:middle line:84% The current films that I think about often 00:35:57.410 --> 00:35:58.820 align:middle line:90% are In the Mood For Love. 00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:01.970 align:middle line:84% I think the cinematography is just so beautiful. 00:36:01.970 --> 00:36:04.220 align:middle line:84% Current, current , current film, Minari. 00:36:04.220 --> 00:36:06.170 align:middle line:84% I love a good coming of age drama. 00:36:06.170 --> 00:36:10.220 align:middle line:90% 00:36:10.220 --> 00:36:11.760 align:middle line:90% This is my last slide. 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.110 align:middle line:84% This is an image of myself and my mom last year in La Jolla. 00:36:15.110 --> 00:36:18.830 align:middle line:84% And this is an image of myself and my mom from 1982 00:36:18.830 --> 00:36:20.420 align:middle line:90% at San Diego State. 00:36:20.420 --> 00:36:24.140 align:middle line:90% So I'm going to end my share. 00:36:24.140 --> 00:36:29.930 align:middle line:84% Ann, I'm curious to know is your family comfortable-- 00:36:29.930 --> 00:36:30.740 align:middle line:90% I assume they are. 00:36:30.740 --> 00:36:32.323 align:middle line:84% But are they comfortable with the fact 00:36:32.323 --> 00:36:34.670 align:middle line:84% that you use their archives, and use their likeness, 00:36:34.670 --> 00:36:36.320 align:middle line:90% and their images in your work? 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.290 align:middle line:84% Or have you ever bumped up against any sort 00:36:39.290 --> 00:36:41.120 align:middle line:90% of tension over that issue? 00:36:41.120 --> 00:36:46.420 align:middle line:84% I feel like when my mom and my dad 00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:52.310 align:middle line:84% first saw my work in a postcard, it was for a show. 00:36:52.310 --> 00:36:57.200 align:middle line:84% And they did it data understand what was happening because it's 00:36:57.200 --> 00:36:59.630 align:middle line:90% not like a traditional image. 00:36:59.630 --> 00:37:01.640 align:middle line:84% It's like an image that has been manipulated. 00:37:01.640 --> 00:37:07.630 align:middle line:84% So at first, they're questioning why is this mass produced? 00:37:07.630 --> 00:37:09.850 align:middle line:90% Why is this mass produced? 00:37:09.850 --> 00:37:13.660 align:middle line:84% They questioned why is it important. 00:37:13.660 --> 00:37:16.050 align:middle line:84% I think the huge part of it was just confusion. 00:37:16.050 --> 00:37:16.550 align:middle line:90% Right. 00:37:16.550 --> 00:37:18.870 align:middle line:84% And I think my parents' generation 00:37:18.870 --> 00:37:22.710 align:middle line:84% where they came to America to survive, 00:37:22.710 --> 00:37:26.340 align:middle line:84% and the next generation, which is my generation, 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:31.200 align:middle line:84% we do have that luxury to research and make the work. 00:37:31.200 --> 00:37:34.050 align:middle line:84% So I don't think they were like any heads that were bumped. 00:37:34.050 --> 00:37:36.570 align:middle line:90% It's more so I need to-- 00:37:36.570 --> 00:37:38.070 align:middle line:90% I've sat down with them. 00:37:38.070 --> 00:37:42.510 align:middle line:84% I had to slowly tell them what I do. 00:37:42.510 --> 00:37:44.010 align:middle line:84% And there's also a language barrier. 00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:45.510 align:middle line:84% My Vietnamese is not all that great. 00:37:45.510 --> 00:37:47.770 align:middle line:84% And they're English is not all that great. 00:37:47.770 --> 00:37:52.360 align:middle line:84% So I had to slowly tell them, hey, this is my practice. 00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:53.520 align:middle line:90% This is what I teach. 00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:55.230 align:middle line:90% This is what I talk about. 00:37:55.230 --> 00:37:59.280 align:middle line:84% It's important because there's not 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.380 align:middle line:84% a lot of people who are talking about this now. 00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:03.420 align:middle line:84% And if I don't talk about it, then it 00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:06.220 align:middle line:84% might be like lost in the next generations. 00:38:06.220 --> 00:38:09.450 align:middle line:84% So I think right now in terms of are 00:38:09.450 --> 00:38:12.400 align:middle line:84% they OK with seeing their likeness out in the world? 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:13.710 align:middle line:90% I think right now it's neutral. 00:38:13.710 --> 00:38:16.230 align:middle line:84% I think I will always have that conversation with them 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:20.000 align:middle line:90% on why I'm using the archives. 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.580 align:middle line:84% Here's something in the chat from Cindy. 00:38:22.580 --> 00:38:24.080 align:middle line:90% Can read that. 00:38:24.080 --> 00:38:27.983 align:middle line:84% The World War images remind me of Martha-- 00:38:27.983 --> 00:38:29.150 align:middle line:90% I'm going to say this wrong. 00:38:29.150 --> 00:38:30.950 align:middle line:90% Oh, Martha Rosler. 00:38:30.950 --> 00:38:35.180 align:middle line:84% With the mixing of war and domestic imagery, 00:38:35.180 --> 00:38:37.490 align:middle line:84% do you consider your work in conversation 00:38:37.490 --> 00:38:42.200 align:middle line:84% with the history of feminist art? 00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:44.060 align:middle line:90% Yes, indeed. 00:38:44.060 --> 00:38:45.650 align:middle line:90% I think so. 00:38:45.650 --> 00:38:46.540 align:middle line:90% I think so. 00:38:46.540 --> 00:38:50.440 align:middle line:84% I think there are a few works that do touch 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.360 align:middle line:90% on the history of feminism. 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:55.390 align:middle line:84% And also like the political nature of work. 00:38:55.390 --> 00:38:58.975 align:middle line:84% But also, again, I'm thinking about my mom a lot 00:38:58.975 --> 00:38:59.850 align:middle line:90% when I make the work. 00:38:59.850 --> 00:39:07.390 align:middle line:84% So it's going to always have that sentiment. 00:39:07.390 --> 00:39:07.920 align:middle line:90% So yes. 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:11.680 align:middle line:90% 00:39:11.680 --> 00:39:15.880 align:middle line:84% You mentioned that you have visited Vietnam at least once. 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.130 align:middle line:90% Probably more. 00:39:18.130 --> 00:39:20.380 align:middle line:84% I think it's interesting how you talked about the fact 00:39:20.380 --> 00:39:25.960 align:middle line:84% that for a lot of your family the idea of returning 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.640 align:middle line:90% is such a mixed bag. 00:39:27.640 --> 00:39:29.470 align:middle line:84% It's so full of fear, and trauma, 00:39:29.470 --> 00:39:32.560 align:middle line:84% and the sort of sadness about the way things have changed. 00:39:32.560 --> 00:39:35.230 align:middle line:84% So you are obviously the family historian 00:39:35.230 --> 00:39:37.300 align:middle line:90% in addition to being an artist. 00:39:37.300 --> 00:39:41.290 align:middle line:84% You're obviously very connected to the family archives. 00:39:41.290 --> 00:39:42.820 align:middle line:84% So I'm curious to know if you had 00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:47.710 align:middle line:84% any of that same kind of reaction when you went back? 00:39:47.710 --> 00:39:50.240 align:middle line:84% I know you didn't have those memories necessarily. 00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:52.240 align:middle line:84% But you're still carrying that imagery with you. 00:39:52.240 --> 00:39:55.040 align:middle line:84% So I'm curious to know what that experience was like. 00:39:55.040 --> 00:40:03.390 align:middle line:84% My first trip back to Vietnam was I think in 2004, 2005. 00:40:03.390 --> 00:40:06.540 align:middle line:84% And I definitely did want to go back. 00:40:06.540 --> 00:40:10.680 align:middle line:84% But there were other chances to go back as a teenager. 00:40:10.680 --> 00:40:14.340 align:middle line:84% But I don't know why I was fighting the 15 hour 00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:15.780 align:middle line:90% flight as a teenager. 00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:18.840 align:middle line:84% So I didn't go the first time around. 00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:24.230 align:middle line:84% But my first trip in the early 2000s I 00:40:24.230 --> 00:40:26.040 align:middle line:90% didn't have any expectations. 00:40:26.040 --> 00:40:28.700 align:middle line:90% Right. 00:40:28.700 --> 00:40:36.730 align:middle line:84% And I wanted to understand more of the culture, and my family, 00:40:36.730 --> 00:40:40.000 align:middle line:84% and how they couldn't flee or they couldn't leave. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.290 align:middle line:90% And now they're just-- 00:40:41.290 --> 00:40:42.040 align:middle line:90% they're not stuck. 00:40:42.040 --> 00:40:43.790 align:middle line:84% I don't want to call it stuck because they 00:40:43.790 --> 00:40:46.900 align:middle line:90% love their lives here. 00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:50.350 align:middle line:84% But I think as the next generation, 00:40:50.350 --> 00:40:54.130 align:middle line:84% we are so curious on what it's like. 00:40:54.130 --> 00:40:55.450 align:middle line:90% What is our homeland like? 00:40:55.450 --> 00:40:56.690 align:middle line:90% What is the motherland like? 00:40:56.690 --> 00:40:58.570 align:middle line:90% What does it smell like? 00:40:58.570 --> 00:41:00.560 align:middle line:90% How will people perceive you? 00:41:00.560 --> 00:41:03.490 align:middle line:84% So as a curious person, I was kind of 00:41:03.490 --> 00:41:06.520 align:middle line:84% open to all of that information with open arms. 00:41:06.520 --> 00:41:09.040 align:middle line:84% I'm going to embrace everything and take a lot of notes. 00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:11.230 align:middle line:84% But I think that first time back, 00:41:11.230 --> 00:41:14.480 align:middle line:90% I wasn't really making collages. 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.260 align:middle line:84% I took a lot of portraits of my family, 00:41:17.260 --> 00:41:19.840 align:middle line:84% and a lot of images of landscape. 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.770 align:middle line:84% But I've been back a total of three times. 00:41:23.770 --> 00:41:26.140 align:middle line:84% And I feel like every time I'm like learning 00:41:26.140 --> 00:41:29.870 align:middle line:90% more and more about the space. 00:41:29.870 --> 00:41:32.710 align:middle line:84% But I think for my parents, it was just hard for them 00:41:32.710 --> 00:41:34.420 align:middle line:84% because they lived through it all that. 00:41:34.420 --> 00:41:39.820 align:middle line:84% And also like talking to my peers that 00:41:39.820 --> 00:41:41.470 align:middle line:84% are the same age that are talking 00:41:41.470 --> 00:41:44.890 align:middle line:84% about this type of information and their artworks, 00:41:44.890 --> 00:41:46.720 align:middle line:90% their parents feel the same way. 00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:49.750 align:middle line:84% They never want to go back because they have this idea 00:41:49.750 --> 00:41:51.400 align:middle line:90% of what it was when they left. 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.170 align:middle line:84% So the change was really hard for them. 00:41:53.170 --> 00:41:54.462 align:middle line:90% The change was hard for my dad. 00:41:54.462 --> 00:41:58.570 align:middle line:90% He was very like mad. 00:41:58.570 --> 00:42:00.730 align:middle line:84% They're like certain words that you can't say. 00:42:00.730 --> 00:42:04.390 align:middle line:84% You can't say-- you shouldn't say Viet Cong in Vietnam 00:42:04.390 --> 00:42:06.020 align:middle line:84% because it's supposed to be negative. 00:42:06.020 --> 00:42:08.400 align:middle line:84% So you're supposed to call them the police. 00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:11.230 align:middle line:84% My dad was like, they're not the police. 00:42:11.230 --> 00:42:12.232 align:middle line:90% They harmed us. 00:42:12.232 --> 00:42:13.190 align:middle line:90% They are the Viet Cong. 00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:15.130 align:middle line:84% So it's hard to go back with my dad 00:42:15.130 --> 00:42:17.530 align:middle line:90% because he will cause ruckus. 00:42:17.530 --> 00:42:21.190 align:middle line:84% And we have to be there to like, OK, dad. 00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:23.460 align:middle line:84% We don't want you to get stuck here. 00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:25.330 align:middle line:84% You need to come back to the States 00:42:25.330 --> 00:42:27.650 align:middle line:90% after our holiday is over. 00:42:27.650 --> 00:42:32.240 align:middle line:84% So there are a lot of things that are happening, 00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:34.580 align:middle line:90% I have a question for you. 00:42:34.580 --> 00:42:37.100 align:middle line:84% Yeah, so like you, many of our students 00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:40.820 align:middle line:84% are first generation college students. 00:42:40.820 --> 00:42:42.620 align:middle line:84% Is there any advice that you could 00:42:42.620 --> 00:42:47.420 align:middle line:84% share with our students who might be interested in pursuing 00:42:47.420 --> 00:42:50.200 align:middle line:90% a career in the arts? 00:42:50.200 --> 00:42:51.520 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:55.640 align:middle line:90% I'm kind of like torn here. 00:42:55.640 --> 00:43:01.640 align:middle line:84% I think if you want to pursue a career in the arts, yes, do it. 00:43:01.640 --> 00:43:05.420 align:middle line:90% 00:43:05.420 --> 00:43:07.820 align:middle line:84% I can't say like form a voice sooner than later 00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:13.510 align:middle line:84% because like it would be great if I formed my voice sooner 00:43:13.510 --> 00:43:16.460 align:middle line:84% than later because then I'd be like projected by now. 00:43:16.460 --> 00:43:20.800 align:middle line:84% But I feel like this projection is on time for me now. 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:26.430 align:middle line:84% But I feel like as a first gen, do it. 00:43:26.430 --> 00:43:28.080 align:middle line:90% Do a lot of writing. 00:43:28.080 --> 00:43:29.580 align:middle line:90% Do some research. 00:43:29.580 --> 00:43:32.730 align:middle line:90% Talk to your elders. 00:43:32.730 --> 00:43:34.260 align:middle line:90% Make fun work. 00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:36.300 align:middle line:90% I feel like this work doesn't-- 00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.740 align:middle line:84% from an outsider's point of view, 00:43:37.740 --> 00:43:40.590 align:middle line:84% it might not look fun because it's a lot of like sadness. 00:43:40.590 --> 00:43:44.070 align:middle line:84% But it's really fun for me to deconstruct 00:43:44.070 --> 00:43:45.450 align:middle line:90% all of this history. 00:43:45.450 --> 00:43:49.470 align:middle line:84% And reconstruct it to my visual liking. 00:43:49.470 --> 00:43:52.170 align:middle line:84% So I'm remaking history right now that 00:43:52.170 --> 00:43:54.160 align:middle line:90% can be in art history books. 00:43:54.160 --> 00:43:54.960 align:middle line:90% So I think, yes. 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.720 align:middle line:84% Those first gen students, what do you want to talk about? 00:43:58.720 --> 00:44:03.090 align:middle line:84% Let's talk about it, and let's make it great. 00:44:03.090 --> 00:44:06.103 align:middle line:84% Also don't stress yourselves out about money. 00:44:06.103 --> 00:44:07.270 align:middle line:90% Look for that financial aid. 00:44:07.270 --> 00:44:08.290 align:middle line:90% This is real. 00:44:08.290 --> 00:44:09.730 align:middle line:90% Look for financial aid. 00:44:09.730 --> 00:44:11.860 align:middle line:84% There are grants out there and scholarships. 00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:13.870 align:middle line:84% But I think like the number one thing is 00:44:13.870 --> 00:44:17.770 align:middle line:90% do what you want respectfully. 00:44:17.770 --> 00:44:20.290 align:middle line:84% So you talked about how the work is fun. 00:44:20.290 --> 00:44:22.690 align:middle line:84% But earlier, you also talked about how 00:44:22.690 --> 00:44:25.190 align:middle line:90% it's like heavy, heavy stuff. 00:44:25.190 --> 00:44:27.430 align:middle line:84% It's like your heavy lifting in the work. 00:44:27.430 --> 00:44:30.560 align:middle line:84% So I don't know if I'm going to articulate this well. 00:44:30.560 --> 00:44:33.070 align:middle line:84% But I'm curious, how do you take care of yourself 00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:38.650 align:middle line:84% in creating this work that is so powerful and heavy? 00:44:38.650 --> 00:44:40.790 align:middle line:90% That's a really good question. 00:44:40.790 --> 00:44:44.005 align:middle line:84% So the fun part of this is I'm learning a lot about myself. 00:44:44.005 --> 00:44:46.970 align:middle line:90% 00:44:46.970 --> 00:44:49.430 align:middle line:90% I am naturally a crier. 00:44:49.430 --> 00:44:51.465 align:middle line:90% I cry a lot in critiques. 00:44:51.465 --> 00:44:54.800 align:middle line:84% I cried a lot in undergraduate and graduate studies. 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.733 align:middle line:84% And I've grown comfortable with that. 00:44:56.733 --> 00:44:57.650 align:middle line:90% I'm just going to cry. 00:44:57.650 --> 00:44:58.100 align:middle line:90% It's happening. 00:44:58.100 --> 00:44:58.600 align:middle line:90% Right? 00:44:58.600 --> 00:44:59.210 align:middle line:90% It's going to happen. 00:44:59.210 --> 00:45:01.460 align:middle line:84% I'm just going to let it go, and then it'll pass. 00:45:01.460 --> 00:45:05.090 align:middle line:84% So as I'm making the work, that will initially happen. 00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:11.630 align:middle line:84% And I think it's strange where I go through these moments 00:45:11.630 --> 00:45:15.050 align:middle line:84% where it's like I'm really sad, I'm really mad, 00:45:15.050 --> 00:45:16.220 align:middle line:90% I'm really angry. 00:45:16.220 --> 00:45:18.870 align:middle line:84% And then that makes the work really great. 00:45:18.870 --> 00:45:22.670 align:middle line:90% So I like channel that energy. 00:45:22.670 --> 00:45:24.870 align:middle line:90% But that is exhausting. 00:45:24.870 --> 00:45:25.920 align:middle line:90% You're dehydrated. 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.920 align:middle line:84% You don't want to turn on the computer to make the work. 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.180 align:middle line:84% So for me, there's a lot of downtime 00:45:32.180 --> 00:45:34.910 align:middle line:90% where I'm just sitting. 00:45:34.910 --> 00:45:37.440 align:middle line:84% I text this a lot to a lot of my friends. 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.570 align:middle line:84% They're like, hey, what are you doing? 00:45:39.570 --> 00:45:40.790 align:middle line:90% And it's like night. 00:45:40.790 --> 00:45:42.212 align:middle line:90% 8:00 PM to sunset. 00:45:42.212 --> 00:45:43.670 align:middle line:84% Well, I'm just sitting on the couch 00:45:43.670 --> 00:45:45.515 align:middle line:90% in the dark with a candle lit. 00:45:45.515 --> 00:45:47.198 align:middle line:90% And they're like, are you OK. 00:45:47.198 --> 00:45:47.990 align:middle line:90% And I'm like, yeah. 00:45:47.990 --> 00:45:48.490 align:middle line:90% I'm great. 00:45:48.490 --> 00:45:50.450 align:middle line:84% So I think it's like my form of meditation 00:45:50.450 --> 00:45:52.850 align:middle line:84% where I'm just like in complete silence, 00:45:52.850 --> 00:45:57.260 align:middle line:90% or I go to a lot of bars. 00:45:57.260 --> 00:46:00.200 align:middle line:90% I drink a lot of cocktails. 00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:02.900 align:middle line:84% When the world opens again, or prior to the pandemic, 00:46:02.900 --> 00:46:04.500 align:middle line:90% I would go see a lot of art. 00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:09.940 align:middle line:84% I think that really helps flesh out a lot of my information 00:46:09.940 --> 00:46:11.470 align:middle line:90% that I'm going through. 00:46:11.470 --> 00:46:13.070 align:middle line:90% I go on like a lot of holidays. 00:46:13.070 --> 00:46:19.840 align:middle line:84% So there is a huge aspect of me like dumping that energy 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.870 align:middle line:90% that I'm putting into the work. 00:46:22.870 --> 00:46:26.250 align:middle line:84% I'm going to talk about this a bit more where 00:46:26.250 --> 00:46:28.100 align:middle line:84% I was on the phone with someone, and they 00:46:28.100 --> 00:46:29.100 align:middle line:90% asked the same question. 00:46:29.100 --> 00:46:31.660 align:middle line:90% They're like how do you-- 00:46:31.660 --> 00:46:33.880 align:middle line:84% do you seek therapy or counseling? 00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.870 align:middle line:84% And my response was like, no, because I put it into the work. 00:46:37.870 --> 00:46:39.910 align:middle line:84% And then he brought up David Lynch. 00:46:39.910 --> 00:46:43.570 align:middle line:84% And he says David Lynch doesn't seek therapy or counseling 00:46:43.570 --> 00:46:46.177 align:middle line:84% because he feels like that's going to kill the work. 00:46:46.177 --> 00:46:48.010 align:middle line:84% And then I'm just sitting there on the phone 00:46:48.010 --> 00:46:51.440 align:middle line:90% like, yeah, that's how I feel. 00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:52.810 align:middle line:90% That's how I feel. 00:46:52.810 --> 00:46:54.430 align:middle line:90% But I could be wrong. 00:46:54.430 --> 00:46:55.930 align:middle line:84% I can seek therapy and counseling, 00:46:55.930 --> 00:47:01.240 align:middle line:84% and my work can segue to it's higher platform. 00:47:01.240 --> 00:47:02.230 align:middle line:90% But yeah. 00:47:02.230 --> 00:47:04.840 align:middle line:84% There's this other side where I zen out. 00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.330 align:middle line:84% When I'm out in the world, I zen out my brain. 00:47:07.330 --> 00:47:08.750 align:middle line:90% I think about nothing. 00:47:08.750 --> 00:47:10.040 align:middle line:90% I'm in the present moment. 00:47:10.040 --> 00:47:14.530 align:middle line:84% But when I'm doing the work, it's like 100% in the work. 00:47:14.530 --> 00:47:19.060 align:middle line:84% Speaking of your work and things being heavy, 00:47:19.060 --> 00:47:20.950 align:middle line:84% this past year's been kind of challenging. 00:47:20.950 --> 00:47:24.130 align:middle line:84% I mean, with the pandemic obviously, racial upheaval, 00:47:24.130 --> 00:47:28.330 align:middle line:84% unrest, the emerging public health crisis 00:47:28.330 --> 00:47:32.800 align:middle line:84% that will definitely outlast where we're at now with COVID. 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.330 align:middle line:84% How has the past year changed your studio practice? 00:47:37.330 --> 00:47:41.380 align:middle line:84% I wonder if you're willing to dive into that. 00:47:41.380 --> 00:47:43.090 align:middle line:90% I also teach college. 00:47:43.090 --> 00:47:49.080 align:middle line:90% So what are we 2021? 00:47:49.080 --> 00:47:53.550 align:middle line:90% I think that my Zoom-- 00:47:53.550 --> 00:47:56.490 align:middle line:84% being on a computer with students and Zooming, 00:47:56.490 --> 00:47:57.670 align:middle line:90% is a lot of work. 00:47:57.670 --> 00:48:03.020 align:middle line:84% It's way more work than a lot of people think it is. 00:48:03.020 --> 00:48:05.480 align:middle line:84% And then getting on the same computer 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.653 align:middle line:84% to try to make the work is hard because I 00:48:08.653 --> 00:48:10.070 align:middle line:84% don't want to turn on the computer 00:48:10.070 --> 00:48:13.020 align:middle line:84% most days because I'm on it all day. 00:48:13.020 --> 00:48:17.750 align:middle line:84% So I think it's definitely changed my rigor. 00:48:17.750 --> 00:48:21.290 align:middle line:84% I don't get on the computer much as of late. 00:48:21.290 --> 00:48:24.110 align:middle line:84% Like this year, I feel like I'll get on 00:48:24.110 --> 00:48:25.880 align:middle line:84% if I'm like really upset about something, 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.030 align:middle line:84% and I need to flesh out that energy. 00:48:29.030 --> 00:48:29.840 align:middle line:90% But yeah. 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.030 align:middle line:84% I think this year, the pandemic has made 00:48:32.030 --> 00:48:36.260 align:middle line:90% me work less on my practice. 00:48:36.260 --> 00:48:38.930 align:middle line:84% I'm in the same space all day long. 00:48:38.930 --> 00:48:41.530 align:middle line:90% So I don't know. 00:48:41.530 --> 00:48:43.620 align:middle line:84% I need to figure that out for myself 00:48:43.620 --> 00:48:47.670 align:middle line:84% for later this year, and next year, and the following years. 00:48:47.670 --> 00:48:52.770 align:middle line:84% But it's difficult to live in your studio, 00:48:52.770 --> 00:48:57.000 align:middle line:84% and work in your studio, and teach in your studio. 00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.210 align:middle line:84% So once it's safe to go back to teaching, 00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:03.530 align:middle line:84% I think that dynamic is going to shift for me. 00:49:03.530 --> 00:49:08.600 align:middle line:90% 00:49:08.600 --> 00:49:11.650 align:middle line:84% So when thinking about the future, 00:49:11.650 --> 00:49:15.070 align:middle line:84% I know are you talking about how you're not 00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:17.557 align:middle line:84% creating at the same level that you once were. 00:49:17.557 --> 00:49:19.390 align:middle line:84% But is there anything sort of on the horizon 00:49:19.390 --> 00:49:21.795 align:middle line:84% that you could share with us that you have coming up? 00:49:21.795 --> 00:49:22.295 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:49:22.295 --> 00:49:25.860 align:middle line:90% 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:26.360 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:30.310 align:middle line:90% So I should be working on this. 00:49:30.310 --> 00:49:31.310 align:middle line:90% I'm not working on this. 00:49:31.310 --> 00:49:34.780 align:middle line:84% But I feel like as artists we're natural procrastinators. 00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:37.180 align:middle line:90% And I'll just knock it out. 00:49:37.180 --> 00:49:42.190 align:middle line:84% So fall 2021, I'm going to be in a two person group show 00:49:42.190 --> 00:49:48.010 align:middle line:84% at Texas Christian University-- they have a contemporary museum 00:49:48.010 --> 00:49:49.630 align:middle line:90% on campus-- 00:49:49.630 --> 00:49:51.970 align:middle line:84% with another Vietnamese American artist 00:49:51.970 --> 00:49:54.070 align:middle line:90% that's based in California. 00:49:54.070 --> 00:49:54.730 align:middle line:90% So yeah. 00:49:54.730 --> 00:50:03.960 align:middle line:84% We are in the works of the logistics of accommodations 00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:06.670 align:middle line:84% if I go for artist lectures or studio visits. 00:50:06.670 --> 00:50:07.170 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:50:07.170 --> 00:50:10.860 align:middle line:84% But right now, I am thinking about the work. 00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:13.320 align:middle line:84% But I'm not physically making any of the work. 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:14.520 align:middle line:90% But I think yeah. 00:50:14.520 --> 00:50:15.810 align:middle line:90% I have like a year and a half. 00:50:15.810 --> 00:50:18.210 align:middle line:84% I think by fall this year, I'll start 00:50:18.210 --> 00:50:21.390 align:middle line:90% like drafting out the work. 00:50:21.390 --> 00:50:23.700 align:middle line:90% But that's my one big thing. 00:50:23.700 --> 00:50:28.860 align:middle line:84% I think for now, it's just a lot of Zooms that have happened. 00:50:28.860 --> 00:50:34.260 align:middle line:84% And I'm teaching many courses this fall. 00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:37.410 align:middle line:84% So right now is like downtime to just-- 00:50:37.410 --> 00:50:39.270 align:middle line:90% I'm just relaxing right now. 00:50:39.270 --> 00:50:44.550 align:middle line:84% I need to not do anything for maybe two weeks. 00:50:44.550 --> 00:50:47.508 align:middle line:90% 00:50:47.508 --> 00:50:48.050 align:middle line:90% Good for you. 00:50:48.050 --> 00:50:49.760 align:middle line:84% And thinking is a big part of that practice. 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:50.360 align:middle line:90% Right? 00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:51.830 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:50:51.830 --> 00:50:53.190 align:middle line:90% Not given enough credit. 00:50:53.190 --> 00:50:53.690 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:50:53.690 --> 00:50:54.770 align:middle line:90% It's hard. 00:50:54.770 --> 00:50:57.170 align:middle line:90% It's hard to think about things. 00:50:57.170 --> 00:50:58.820 align:middle line:84% Making them is cool because I think 00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:01.085 align:middle line:84% like the more you think about them you're like, OK, 00:51:01.085 --> 00:51:02.210 align:middle line:90% I know how to process this. 00:51:02.210 --> 00:51:03.543 align:middle line:90% OK, this is going to look great. 00:51:03.543 --> 00:51:04.970 align:middle line:90% OK, this makes sense. 00:51:04.970 --> 00:51:07.490 align:middle line:84% So I'm not the type of person to jump into the making. 00:51:07.490 --> 00:51:12.150 align:middle line:84% I need to do all of the brain work first. 00:51:12.150 --> 00:51:13.710 align:middle line:90% Absolutely. 00:51:13.710 --> 00:51:15.480 align:middle line:84% Well, I have many more questions. 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.540 align:middle line:84% But I think you and I will have to chat at another time. 00:51:18.540 --> 00:51:20.400 align:middle line:90% We'll have to have you back. 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.280 align:middle line:84% But I want to thank you so much for your time, and creativity, 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:24.240 align:middle line:90% and energy today. 00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:27.300 align:middle line:84% And thank everyone who attended today and spent a little bit 00:51:27.300 --> 00:51:28.540 align:middle line:90% of their afternoon with us. 00:51:28.540 --> 00:51:30.420 align:middle line:90% We appreciate you. 00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:32.760 align:middle line:84% So reminder to all of you who are here today. 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.720 align:middle line:84% Roman's putting some links in the chat. 00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:36.690 align:middle line:84% We'd really appreciate if you take two minutes 00:51:36.690 --> 00:51:38.940 align:middle line:90% to do the survey. 00:51:38.940 --> 00:51:39.930 align:middle line:90% Thanks, everybody. 00:51:39.930 --> 00:51:41.650 align:middle line:90% And please take good care. 00:51:41.650 --> 00:51:42.630 align:middle line:90% Thank you. 00:51:42.630 --> 00:51:43.660 align:middle line:90% Have a great day. 00:51:43.660 --> 00:51:44.610 align:middle line:90% Stay healthy, please. 00:51:44.610 --> 00:51:46.370 align:middle line:90% Stay hydrated. 00:51:46.370 --> 00:51:58.000 align:middle line:90%